Bellhorn04
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The Red Sox have lost 28 of their last 45. They just flat out suck in every area right now. Martin and Jansen pitching like crap was the icing on the cake. The White Sox have a shot at winning this series.
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I think just about anything is possible in this series.
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Appreciate the effort that went into this post, but a couple of the statements here really require a rebuttal. Why would you say "they had no reason to expect Sale to play again at all"? He was active at the end of the season and he obviously passed all his medicals. So what sense can that statement possibly make? And "the premise that Atlanta clearly saw this comeback borders somewhere between pessimism and ridiculousness"? Atlanta clearly felt there was a reasonable chance Sale would be a worthwhile addition or they wouldn't have risked $21 million and given up a prospect for him. That's the only reasonable way to characterize it. It seems like you need to resort to hyperbole to convince yourself of the validity of your points.
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When I click on it I get those 3 plus: Hide Split Delete Recommend See if you can scroll down the list further.
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Plus the dubious behavior.
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I think this has been covered this many times. Yes, they wanted to sign Giolito because they needed an innings eater. That's a given. Breslow also had some other moves he obviously wanted to make. In order to make it all fit in the budget they had to cut somewhere. The Sale trade was a $10 million cut. Plus you could say it saved some money to get a second baseman. What about this is not clear?
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Yes, I think Brez got hamstrung by the budget. I also think they basically lied to him when they hired him and told him he was going to have a bigger budget. Peter Gammons said that was the case. And I think Breslow alluded to it in his speech about "now that I've gotten to know the organization's objectives a little better blah blah blah"
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$10 mill seems to matter plenty to Henry these days.
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So last night, Imanaga* tossed 7 no-hit innings and Eovaldi** beat the Yankees again. *2024 Interest Kings reported serious interest ** 2023 Interest Kings reported serious interest
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I don't know man. You could be right but I'm not convinced all the confusion and ineptitude was Bloom's doing. In 2022 the Sox made kind of a big deal out of telling Bogaerts they weren't going to trade him. If Henry wanted Bloom to sell, why the hell did they do that? Breslow might get a pass for this year's disasters, but it's going to be a short honeymoon, I think.
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I don't disagree, but it was Henry who hired him and I think it was Henry who dictated Bloom's general approach. If we agree that Breslow was hindered this year by the budget and lack of interest in winning, I don't think it's a stretch that Bloom was similarly hindered.
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Not totally implausible, but if I'm Seattle I'm looking at signing a bat rather than paying Yoshida 18 per for 3 more years.
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I'm not sure it is Bloom's mess. I think it just might be Henry's mess.
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Predict the 2024 AL East standings
Bellhorn04 replied to Randy Red Sox's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Every negative scenario is on the table, I'd say. We're probably only a game or two away from Devers being shut down for the season, with more white flags to follow. -
Our run differential has gone into the red at -5. The 2024 team has a great shot at being worse by some metrics than the 2022 and 2023 teams. That's going to be really hard for Sam to put a positive spin on.
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But that reflects their whole approach to 2024. The budget was the priority, not winning.
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Well, you're not really getting the part about the budget. The premise is that if Henry authorized a bigger budget and was serious about competing in 2024, they don't make this trade.
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Denny, you really do have an incurably optimistic streak. Can the Red Sox possibly lose any of the games with the White Sox? Oh, damn straight they can. We were actually fortunate to salvage a split of our earlier 4 game series with them.
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78-84 would be poetic. At this point it might actually be an achievement.
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Not a starter but okay, let's expand. Very *sinister* stuff indeed.
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What I'm saying is that in the context of the Red Sox signing no one else but Giolito, this trade didn't make sense as far as the Red Sox needs for 2024. But when you add in the context that the Red Sox were prioritizing the budget above all else and didn't actually care about making the playoffs in 2024, it does make more sense. I agree that context is everything.
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I didn't forget about the Bambino being a lefty pitcher. He's in this conversation too, yes. Ojeda had an excellent season for the Mets in 1986 and beat us twice in the 1986 WS. We got Schiraldi for him. Ojeda's Curse Factor has been underrated. Does David Price belong on the list? Unloading him was a financial positive and not a baseball negative. But there was another guy involved in the trade that was a rather hefty loss.
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Hugh thinks the trade was 100% about the budget. mvp thinks the trade was about the budget and the fact they didn't really intend to compete this year. So I'm certainly not alone in my beliefs.
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And their lack of caring is being rewarded exactly the way it deserves to be.
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OK, we're 100% in agreement on those points.
