Bellhorn04
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And yet if you look at recent results, there seems to be an even higher correlation between bullpens and postseason success.
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Very well articulated, YOTN.
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Ben rolled the dice big time with that 2015 pitching staff. He bet upside and he got downside. If he had done a better job with the bullpen we might have been OK.
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Yes, bolding moon's posts is an issue. Use a yellow highlighter perhaps? (Not meaning to make light of this incredibly horrible story.)
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And this was only ramped up in 2016 with Miller, Chapman and Jansen. 5/86 for Chapman is one of the craziest contracts yet.
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Our 2015 bullpen wasn't the greatest either.
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What will be the 2017 greatest weakness for the Sox?
Bellhorn04 replied to mvp 78's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Loss of Papi. -
Probably figured Moreland would be cheaper than Napoli or Carter?
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That's right, it's just something to talk about, and everyone is entitled to their opinions.
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A guy like Sean O'Sullivan can be of use. O'Sullivan's overall numbers were horrible, but we won all 4 of his starts. He was at least able to get through about 5 innings giving up 3-4 runs. If the offense scores some runs and the bullpen holds you can win those games. Much less than ideal but much better than nothing.
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Exactly so.
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Understood. I was not a Ben hater but I was certainly disappointed with the 2015 season in particular and what he did with the pitching staff. And even though the team was in a favorable position after 2015 one could still question how much of that was attributable to Ben and how much was attributable to Theo Epstein and John Henry. Ben certainly benefitted from having a fat budget to work with. Not many teams could afford to invest 130+ million dollars in guys like Castillo and Moncada who had never played major league ball. Yes, the debate about Ben could (and probably will) go on forever...
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Another point about Dempster is that he had also struggled with Texas the year before after being traded from the Cubs. In fact, if you look at his career breakdown by teams, the only place he really thrived was with the Cubs.
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Dempster was one more pitcher who had a very tough first year in Boston, numbers-wise.
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Dombrowski came into a favorable situation, no doubt about that.
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That may have been the whole problem in a nutshell. It was a mishmash approach. We were a rebuilding team with a huge payroll.
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You're probably right about Cabrera but Verlander is a good bet to keep returning value over the next 3 years. I know their salaries are crazy but we're talking about 2 of the best players in baseball. The Tigers could probably trade Verlander for something decent if they really wanted to. I certainly get your point, but I don't see contracts like these as real disasters because the players are producing. It's the ones where you're paying guys a lot for nothing that are the real killers IMO.
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Now you're changing the argument. DD didn't trade away Betts, Bogaerts or Bradley. He deserves some credit for that. He was almost certainly asked for these guys when talking to other teams about starting pitchers.
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They signed the cheques. That's all we know. Maybe nobody was really sure what they were doing. By August 2015 JH was obviously unimpressed with the results.
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But to this point Verlander and Cabrera have yielded values in keeping with their salaries. Isn't that a good thing?
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DD didn't trade them away either. We need a pie chart to allocate the credit.
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Then you took it a step further and said you were certain this plan was approved by ownership. That's getting a little carried away with your own idea.
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Yeah, maybe. We've heard the same about Buch's one year deal in 2016. You're not hurt in the pocketbook, but you can certainly be hurt on the field.
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Horrible.
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You're a very generous soul, Kimmi.
