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I'd rather have an RF of Sweeney/Kalish/McDonald/Aviles platoon than to have a 4/5 of Bard/Aceves with Dice-K/Silva/Padilla/Cook/Germano/Doubront on stand by. If I could only make one more move I'd rather have Oswalt than someone like Cody Ross. (I want a RHH RF like Cody Ross a lot, but I think we need an SP more than anything else)

Why don't the Yankees just sign Oswalt as insurance to REALLY stick it to Boston while they are at it? The fact that Oswalt wouldn't be in Boston and that Boston would have to settle with the junkyard is worth the money in addition to the fact that Oswalt would be much better than some of the backend options for the Yankees. (It'd also give them the option to dump Burnett in a trade to save money or get a prospect or two) I'm just saying that Oswalt's pitching ability + taking another option away from Boston is more than worth the $8 million asking price.

I'd rather sign Oswalt for the $8 million now then to play the waiting game to try and get him for less and have him sign somewhere else and end up with Vicente Padilla and the many of AAAA starters we have getting playing time. At some point it's just money and I don't think that $1-$2 million is worth risking not signing Oswalt and having to give Padilla/Cook/Silva and many others playing time.

I'm not hating on the deal. I think it was a good deal (albeit with some risks) for both teams. Now that I think about it, as crazy as it sounds, I think that dealing Felix Hernandez instead of Pineda might have been a better deal for the Mariners, and probably the Yankees too. The reason why I say this is because Hernandez salary jumps from $10 million to $18-20 million for the next 3 years. It's highly unlikely in my opinion that Hernandez stays in Seattle after that, so I think that with more time under contract, the better of a package the Mariners can get for Hernandez. I think that his stock can only fall at this point. Pineda, while obviously unproven and about 3 years younger, has many more years of cheap team control. In addition, the Yankees were said to be offering Montero/Betances/Banuelos and more for King Felix. Add in the fact that the Mariners would have kept Pineda/Campos AND likely gotten another piece from the Yankees (maybe someone like Noesi or a hitting prospect) and I think it looks like a better deal for both teams. The Mariners shed a lot of payroll and get 3 top prospects with many years of team control (and keep Pineda/Campos) plus their pitcher's ballpark should be kind to Pineda/Betances/Banuelos. Not to mention that the Mariners would have a young core of Montero/Ackley/Smoak and could save a ton of money from the Felix contract to sign someone like Prince Fielder or a cheaper 1B/DH and then add someone like Edwin Jackson. (I'd go for Jackson's youth and durability in Seattle over Oswalt's probably better innings) Not to mention that the Yankees would have to hire homeless people to squeegee the computers of Yankee fans from all of the misplaced semen that would arise from the Yankees getting King Felix and having a rotation of Sabathia/Felix/Kuroda

While I'm too lazy to get into accounting at the moment, everything I've read says that unless we sell the team, we're over the cap. Not by that much, but enough for it to not make sense to sign players that make the team better for fearing of going over the cap. The real question is whether the Sox can get under the cap in the future. I'm pretty confident in that.

We're already going to be over the cap. Signing Oswalt won't make a difference other than paying more money in the form of a tax in addition to what we pay Oswalt. Unless we dump salaries without signing anyone to replace them, we aren't going to be under the cap this year. That's a given.

You laugh now but the Sox are going to "raise" the Yankees Pineda/Kuroda signing by signing someone like Dontrelle Willis.

It seems like every day the Sox sign another s***** depth pitcher. Carlos Silva, Justin Germano, Aaron Cook, Doug Mathis, in addition Andrew Miller, Felix Doubront, Junichi Tazawa, Michael Bowden, and probably plenty more. And don't forget about potentially getting Vicente Padilla too.

Btw it's like we're talking to two different Jacko's. The Jacko in this thread is much different than the Jacko in the thread where this trade was announced.

Don't forget about Campos either. He can be a real problem in a few years.

At this point I'd offer Oswalt 7.5 million if we can get him right now.

I'd rather wait on Middlebrooks a bit before trading Youk. I'd rather trade just prospects for Jurrjens. Or even better, just sign Oswalt for the $8 million!!!!

What about 2012?

Did I not say that we should have signed Oswalt a few hours before this happened, especially when I read that his salary demands dropped to $8 million. I wonder if Oswalt's price is going back up now that Kuroda signed for $10 million.

Unless it's for King Felix. Then you're hoping it's ONLY Montero.

I could also see the price of one of the other options increasing as soon as the first one of Oswalt/Kuroda signs, especially if the first one doesn't sign with the Yankees or Red Sox.

Hell I'd personally start a collection bucket for Red Sox Nation to chip in on the money it'd take to get Oswalt. It'd only take a couple dollars a piece from the Sox fans.

It looks like Oswalt's price has dropped to $8 million. I'm surprised he hasn't been signed yet. I'd be really pissed off if he goes to a team like the Yankees for $8 million. I'd rather spend $8 million on Oswalt than save the money and start Bard/Aceves/Padilla/Cook/insert 5+ AAAA players here) Not to mention the benefits of him being a very good pitcher, it being a 1 year deal, and it's only $8 million. Granted, it'd technically cost more with the luxury tax, but those wins are worth it especially since we were 1 win away from going to the playoffs and our rotation was the main reason. To me that's worth the extra money, especially since he's cheaper (and in my opinion a better player) than Kuroda.