Ok, so they aren't question marks for '24, but they are both out the door at the end of the season and the slots will be question marks for '25 which is a year when they should be even better than in '24. I don't think they have a shot at a title in '24. They can be better than 78 wins, but they are still on the outside looking in. Best use of those two guys for the org may be to help the org in a long term manner.