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You are right about this' date=' but he is not a Yankee patsy either, and being with a team with a superior offense might garner him some additional wins. The market for good pitching is what it is. The Red Sox can't complain about money, because few teams have more. You are right to be skeptical, because it is a lot of $, but how many pitchers are out there that you would feel comfortable giving such a contract? You probably would not be able to count much beyond one hand.

Here's what you said: I do understand that, but do you understand that the opposing team's pitcher also has to face a DH. The playing field is level. And let's not forget that the Red Sox have the best DH in all of baseball, so our pitchers should be at an advantage compared to other AL pitchers. Unfortuantely, this years staff just had no talent for either league.

Bill Lee was asoft-tossing lefty when Fenway was a hitters haven when it was only a single deck stadium. All the additions have cut down on wind aided fly balls, and Fenway is no longer a Home Run launching pad. Lee was a consistent winner and a bona fide Yankee Killer. Bruce Hurst did n't throw harder than Zito, and he was very effective in Fenway. Zito is a very good pitcher that has been very consistent performer in his still young career.

Who cares? Hitting coaches...who cares? GEt good coaches for the kids in the minors. WTF could Papa Jack tell Manny about hitting. Let's get real.

Cashman just bought Pavano a plane.

This is just an immature remark. Do any of us here have any control over Red Sox management? What choice do we have than to deal with it? That doesn't mean we can't discuss the merits of the deal. Isn't that what these boards are all about? I dealt with the trading of Bagwell for Larry Anderson, but that doesn't mean that it was a good trade. Your conclusion that Arroyo was a #5 pitcher in the AL is unsupportable by any evidence. Yes he was a #4/5 pitcher on a staff with Pedro, Lowe, and Schilling. On some AL teams he woulkd have been a #3. He was and still is a consistent 10-15 game winner in either league. He takes the ball 33-35 times a year. Your conclusions about AL/NL transfers are not supportable when it comes to win totals. If anything moving to the AL should help win totals, because pitchers are not lifted for PH's before the 5th inning, and AL teams have been winning more interleague games the last few years.

The Red Sox outdrew the Tigers this year by almost 500' date='000 fans, and in the Tigers bad years the Red Sox outdraw them by 800,000 to 1 million fans, plus the Red Sox charge much more per ticket. The Tigers franchise is not in the same value league as the red Sox. As such, any comparison to them is not valid. The Red Sox had a lousy team this year because the FO made a number of poor decisions over the last couple of years resulting in the mismanagement of its substantial resources. If a team with the resources of the Braves can rebuild on a ongoing basis but remain in the playoffs for 14 consecutive years, there is no reason why a rich team like Boston should fail to make the playoffs a mere two years after winning the World Series. I'm just not buying your explanation. It doesn't hold water.

I think that Foulke finally regained his health and his mechanics at the end of the year. By the end of September his confidence in his ability was growing. Unless he has a physical setback, I see him as being able to contribute much more than garbage innings in '07.

Date & Time Favorite................... Spread.................. Underdog 10/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati..................... -6...................... At Tampa Bay 10/15 1:00 ET At Washington............. -10......................... Tennessee 10/15 1:00 ET At Dallas..................... -13............................. Houston 10/15 1:00 ET Buffalo......................... -1........................... At Detroit 10/15 1:00 ET Seattle......................... -3......................... At St. Louis 10/15 1:00 ET At Atlanta..................... -3............................ NY Giants 10/15 1:00 ET Philadelphia.................. -3.................... At New Orleans 10/15 1:00 ET At Baltimore.................. -3.............................. Carolina 10/15 4:15 ET At NY Jets................... -2.5................................ Miami 10/15 4:15 ET San Diego.................... -10................. At San Francisco 10/15 4:15 ET At Pittsburgh................. -7.......................... Kansas City 10/15 8:15 ET At Denver.................... -15.............................. Oakland Monday Night Football Point Spread 10/16 8:30 ET Chicago...................... -10.5 .........................At Arizona Straight Category : Date & Time Favorite................................................. Underdog 10/15 1:00 ET Cincinnati............................................... At Tampa Bay 10/15 1:00 ET At Washington............................................ Tennessee 10/15 1:00 ET At Dallas........................................................ Houston 10/15 1:00 ET Buffalo......................................................... At Detroit 10/15 1:00 ET Seattle...................................................... At St. Louis 10/15 1:00 ET At Atlanta..................................................... NY Giants 10/15 1:00 ET Philadelphia......................................... At New Orleans 10/15 1:00 ET At Baltimore................................................... Carolina 10/15 4:15 ET At NY Jets......................................................... Miami 10/15 4:15 ET San Diego.......................................... At San Francisco 10/15 4:15 ET At Pittsburgh.............................................. Kansas City 10/15 8:15 ET At Denver....................................................... Oakland Monday Night Football 10/16 8:30 ET Chicago........................................................At Arizona Monday Night Football Total Points :............................ __44_____

ARod just craves attention.

Burns and Corey? Playoffs here we come.:thumbsup:

The Yankees had the most talent of any team in the playoffs and they were huge Vegas favorites to win. The greatest lineup of all-time made pitchers that they had raked in the regualr season look like Koufax and Drysdale. The Yankees beat the Tigers like a pinata in the regular season. You can call it what you want, but I call it choking.

The whole league adjustment league is completely overblown. Yes it affects ERA, because the AL has a DH. It shouldn't affect wins. When an NL pither switches to the AL, it's not like the other pitchers aren't also pitching to DH's. They are on a level playing field with pitchers in their own league. Are you assuming that AL pitching is superior to NL pitching? If so, on what are you basing that conclusion?

Underdogs don't choke, unless they blow a big lead. They are expected to lose. The Tigers were favored against the A's, and the A's are getting trounced like the odds makers expected. If they were blowing big leads it would be a different story. The Yankees were favorites to win it all. They choked.

LOwell doesn't sit unless Aramis Ramirez signs. One of the other three would sit. Youklis slugging % isn't justified at 1B.

Keep the left-side defense and get a good #5 hitter for the lineup and they'll score 900 runs again.

He'd look pretty good in a Red Sox uniform. I'll take a 28 year old guy with 7 years AL experience with a 3.54 ERA. He would be a tremendous addition.

It's a low risk Money move, but a high risk roster move. It was a long shot that either of these guys could have contributed. I would rather they had gone in a different direction and signed two healthy pitchers. These moves (Miller and Mantei) were high risk, and the Sox lost where it was really important-- the standings. The only thing they didn't lose was a lot of money.