I didn't say that they have no trade value. They might have trade value in a salary dump deal- like the way we got Webster and De La Rosa, but they don't have the type of trade value necessary to pry away a future #1 from a team. Under what scenario could you envision the package that you put together in your post above netting us a future #1 pitcher from another team? None of those guys would help put a team over the top to win now, and the only reason why a team would part with a blue chip future ace would be to win now? I asked where the next big ace will come from, and clearly, you have no plausible strategy for getting one down the road.