So because Ortiz plays the happy go lucky "baseball has been veddy veddy good to me" role, you guys like him more than the loudmouth Dominican who just can't keep his mouth shut. That's a good bar to have to determine who is best for your team, certainly worked out well when you got rid of the other loudmouth, Pedro.
How about you give me a break, and tell me how you get from "Ortiz gets help from Manny" to "Manny turns scrubs into awesome hitters".
Who is underrating Ortiz? he's a great hitter, never said he was a scrub, unlike some other fans who feel that they have to tear down any opposing player's skills, I recognize that even though he's in a different uni, Ortiz is an awesome hitter. I just don't think he puts up his numbers without Manny batting behind him. Realistic projection for Ortiz without manny is .290, 30 HR, 100 RBI. Still great numbers, and still someone I would rather the Yankees not pitch to (as well as Manny)