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You can't seriously believe that playing defense (especially the infield) everyday doesn't affect you physically. I'm sure the entire players union would have something to say aobut that.

But the intangibles! what about the intangibles?? liek leadership, Colon's a bad teammate! Mo's strikeouts were all 9th inning strikeouts, that counts for more than anything that happened prior to that! disclaimer: please note for the sarcasm detector challenegd, that the preceding post was a sarcastic post. It was done in jest and the writer does not confirm nor deny any truths based on his statements.

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/2004/11/bushschilling_v.html Kevin Millar said on FSN's "Best Damn Sports Show Period" last Friday that the team drank shots of Jack Daniels at 7:45pm before Game 6 of the ALCS to keep warm in the 35 degree temperatures in the Bronx. Since they won Game 6, they did the same for Game 7. To keep the streak going they switched to Crown Royal for the World Series (Games 1, 2, 3, and 4). Millar said "I'm glad we won in four games, because those Crown Royal shots and Jack Daniels shots started to kill me." He also added that they asked manager Terry Francona to do a shot before Game 4 of the Series to calm his nerves, he obliged. Then why not have Ortiz play third base?

If playing defense is such a non stress sport, then why do baseball players use greenies and such to stay sharp? It must have some sort of effect, wouldnt you agree? Can you imagine a DH who never plays defense ever having this problem?

We called him a pussy for his action in a certain situation. Noone said anything about his playing abilities, try to stay focused. We're also not saying 3B is the hardest position to play, noone has said that, and we wouldn't because we played organized baseball before. Try to stop laughing at yourself.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/

please test HGH, that way we can kick Bonds out of the game, and trash his records. We can also prove that Giambi is clean.

A lot of people who say playing defense doesn't affect you physically have never played baseball. Like I said before, stand on the balls of your feet for 2 hours in a semi squat, and tell me how that feels. no 3rd basemen will ever be just standing, he has to prepare himself to field a 100+ MPH liner on every play.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2224832 Steroid penalties much tougher with agreementAssociated Press WASHINGTON -- Major league players and owners agreed to toughen penalties for steroid use to a 50-game suspension for a first failed test, 100 games for a second and a lifetime ban for a third. Baseball also will test for amphetamines for the first time starting next year under the deal, which must be ratified by both sides. Baseball's current steroid penalties are a 10-day suspension for a first offense, 30 days for a second offense and 60 days for a third. The earliest a player could be banned for life is a fifth offense. "This is an important step to reaching our goal of ridding our sport of performance-enhancing substances and should restore the integrity of and public confidence in our great game," commissioner Bud Selig said in a statement. "I appreciate the effort put forward by the players' association and our players in reaching this new agreement." The sport's second new steroids agreement in 10 months came after lengthy negotiations prompted by urging from Congress -- including the threat of legislation that would require higher penalties and stricter testing standards. "This agreement reaffirms that major league players are committed to the elimination of performance-enhancing substances and that the system of collective bargaining is responsive and effective in dealing with issues of this type," union head Donald Fehr said in a statement. Representatives of the owners and players were on Capitol Hill on Tuesday to meet with House Government Reform Committee Chairman Tom Davis, R-Va. He's one of a handful of lawmakers who have introduced steroids bills -- and it was his panel that held the March 17 hearing with Rafael Palmeiro, Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco. At that hearing, Selig and Fehr were scolded for what congressmen called a weak penalty system for drug testing. The next month, Selig made a 50-100-lifetime proposal. In September, Fehr countered with 20 games, 75 games and, for a third offense, a penalty set by the commissioner. At a Sept. 28 hearing of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., scolded Fehr in particular for not having reached a deal on a new steroids policy. "We're at the end here, and I don't want to do it, but we need an agreement soon. It's not complicated. It's not complicated. All sports fans understand it," McCain said at the hearing. "I suggest you act -- and act soon." Last week, McCain and Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., revised their proposed legislation to soften the penalties from two years for a first offense and a lifetime ban for a second. The bill now calls for a half-season ban for a first positive test, one season for a second and a lifetime penalty for a third. Their bill would apply to the major leagues, the NFL, NBA, NHL and baseball's minor leagues. Bunning said he would wait to hear more and would not be withdrawing his legislation immediately. "This is what I had hoped for all along, for the two private parties to come to an agreement on their own without Congress having to do it for them," he said, but added that the deal is "not as tough as I would like." While Davis didn't immediately address how Tuesday's news might affect pending legislation, he did issue a statement calling the agreement "the type of self-initiated action we were hoping for all along." "While the new policy is not what it would be had I authored it, it is a much stronger policy, one with multiple random tests and far tougher penalties for even first-time offenders," he added. Though steroids are a problem in many sports, baseball has been the focal point of congressional interest and pressure. As recently as 2004, there was no suspension for a first offense under the sport's steroid program. As recently as 2002, players weren't tested for steroids at all, unless there was cause. Under the new deal, according to congressional aides, a first positive test for amphetamines will lead to mandatory additional testing, a second offense will draw a 25-game suspension, and a third offense gets 80 games. A player will be tested during spring training physicals and at least once in the regular season, plus the possibility of random tests. The old agreement called for a minimum of one test from the start of spring training through the end of the regular season ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New steroids testing agreement at a glance A glance at Tuesday's drug-testing agreement between baseball players and owners: Steroid Penalties • First positive test -- 50-game suspension, up from 10 days. • Second positive test -- 100-game suspension, up from 30 days. • Third positive test -- Lifetime ban, with player having right to apply for reinstatement after two years and an arbitrator being able to review reinstatement decision. Under the previous agreement, the earliest a player could be suspended for life was for a fifth positive test. • In addition, a conviction for possession carries a 60-to-80 game penalty, while a second offense carries a 120-game to one-year penalty. A third offense nets the offender a lifetime ban. If a player is convicted for distribution, he will be suspended 80-to-100 games, while a second offense equals a lifetime ban. Amphetamine Penalties (There was no testing for amphetamines in previous agreement) • First positive test -- Mandatory additional testing. • Second positive -- 25-game suspension. • Third positive -- 80-game suspension. • Fourth positive -- Commissioner's discretion, with an arbitrator being able to review. • In addition, a conviction for possession carries a 15-to-30 game penalty, while a second offense carries a 30-to-90 game penalty. A third offense nets the offender a one-year ban, while a fourth offense equals punishment at commissioner's discretion. If a player is convicted for distribution, he will be suspended 60-to-90 games, while a second offense equals a two-year ban and punishment for a third offense is commissioner's discretion. Testing frequency A player will be tested during spring training physicals and at least once during the regular season, with additional random testing. Under the previous agreement, each player was tested once from the start of spring training through the end of the regular season, with additional random testing. Both the new agreement and the previous deal provided for offseason testing. Independent Administrator A person not connected to management or the union will schedule and supervise the tests, which currently are administered by a join management-union committee.

we choked last year.

The guy is just nuts when you see the numbers he puts up year after year. If he stays on this pace, he might have a shot at the HR record and finish up with a .330 lifetime BA. thats sick

Well deserved. he should have won it at least once already, were it not for steroid boy

But Mo has so many more late game heroics. Plus, isnt a strikeout in the 9th worth more than a strikeout in the 3rd? disclaimer: please note for the sarcasm detector challenegd, that the preceding post was a sarcastic post. It was done in jest and the writer does not confirm nor deny any truths based on his statements.

If you wanted to argue just for the sake of arguing, didnt I already provide you enough fodder with that post about Ortiz hits better because of the crap bullpens?

Both posts you refer to were in what is called a "SARCASTIC" fashion. Please look it up first.

I cant disagree. we choked big time in 2004. but about those 86 years...

You're right, we lost our virginity a long time ago.

Then stress that instead of constanly harping on late game heroics. Ortiz has had a great year, I take nothing away at all from what he has done. Did he get help from Manny and having fresh legs? yes. does that make him any less of a hitter? no.

If you ever played 3rd base or any infield position, you would know you don't simply stand. I thought this would be common knowledge on a "baseball" forum. late inning pitching is inferior to starting pitching. How many times during a game do you hear the announcers talk about how the team needs to get to the bullpen? I didnt say this. I said numbers wise, Manny's presence accounted for a lot of good pitches to Ortiz. Try not to jump to conclusions so fast Who would you rather have batting behind you, a guy who bats .280 and plays only 130 games a year or Manny? nuff said. Varitek is an average hitter, Manny is world class. Manny isnt even out of Boston yet and already you're disparaging him. :thumbsup: That was something your own people said, not me. Their standard of a great player is someone with a ring. By definition, Ted Williams is not a great player hy·per·bo·le ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-pûrb-l) n. A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton. Mo Vaughn was an absolute beast when he was in Boston. Noone thought his career would turn out the way it did. And the guy finished with 330 HRs, Ortiz is only halfway there. he had a few great years, if you watch baseball long enough, you know to never base a guys entire career on that. Go and put on some body armor, and a facemask and see how tough you feel attacking someone who wasn't wearing that sort of protection. What the hell does have to do with anything? I commented on how we were all just arguing for the sake of arguing. The postseason commnet was meant for both of us. You're taking offense to innocent comments. What are you, some sort of Republican? If I say the weather sucks, are you going to think that I'm badmouthing your city? Stop acting like a woman. Why do you think they wear it? It's not cuz it looks good. Thread title says "AL MVP" not "Postseason MVP". Go start your own thread on that if you want. sar·casm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm) n. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound. A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule. The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1. I was referring to Yankee and Red Sox FANS. Its Ringwald, and since you were born after the Reagan administration, I won't get on your case too much. I thought being an idiot was a good thing in a Red Sox fan;s eyes or did you already forget about last year?

ARod = energitic early, hits good against good pitching. Gets tired late, so fades sometimes because even suck ass pitchers can still hit 90 o the gun. Ortiz = energtic late due to no playing D, hits better against bad pitching thus creating some of those late game heroics.

Your own team's players will talk about how hard it is to play a ful season. be a little more knowledgeable. You think playing third base means you stand around and field 3 or 4 groundballs? When you play defense especially in the corner spot, you stay tense all the time, usually on the balls of your feet in a semi squat. Go and do that for 2 hours, then tell me you're not tired.

I have a funny feeling most baseball players don't see it as that simple. Ever heard of the dog days of summer? And plenty of players talk about the grind of the 162 game season, so please don't discount the other 9 guys on the field simply because once again you're trying to build up Ortiz into some kind of superhero. Go read comics for that.

You asked if Ortiz is Hall of Fame worthy. based on his current numbers, my answer was NO. If you are projecting him to continue hitting 40 HR and knocking in 140 RBI for the next 5 or 6 years, then yes I would think so.

I'd like to see Jayson Starks slog through a 3 hour game playing 3rd base, and then tell me if he feels as fresh at the end of the game as he would if he just sat on his ass for most of the time. Then do that for 160 games, and tell me how he feels in Spetember after playing in the July and August heat.

Only a Red Sox fan thinks that a team playing well enough to win the tiebreaker from early success isn't the same as winning it in some sort of dramatic fashion. a win in Arpil counts as much as a win in September. Just like a HR in the 3rd counts as much as one in the 7th.