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Couple Ideas: Trade Ellsbury for starting pitching. Throw in Iglesias. Sign Michael Bourn. Sign Mike Napoli. Sign Alex Gonzalez (you want a wizard glove? Agon can still field it, and hit circles around Iglesias). Sign Nick Swisher, MoneyBall type player, big market personality. Let David Ortiz walk. Sign Travis Hafner when he is bought out. Platoon him with Ross at DH. Also Platoon Ross in RF with Swisher. Swisher was pretty even RH/LF, give him some AB's at 1B and LF as well. Napoli also gives them flexibility between C and 1B. Sign Kevin Youkilis. Give him at bats between 1B/3B and DH along with Hafner/Swisher and Ross. These additions/subtractions allow them to be a little bit more flexible, as they would have many interchangeable parts. Kick the tires on Kyle Lohse and Anibal Sanchez for SP. Kick the tires on Jonathan Broxton, Brandon League, Mike Adams and JP Howell.

Ankiel is a FA, and his career looks pretty much over as an OF. Only reason I made the thread originally, was that I thought his career was fascinating. He will be 33, why not try to pitch again?

Where did everyone go? It is absolutely ******** that everyone disappeared now that things are tough. This forum, and lack of activity since the season ended.....is the exact reason I have always said that the Redsox have the worst fans in Boston. I can't wait til next spring training when all the phonies return, only to have MY "fandom" questioned for being critical and realistic.......

Agree.

SFF..... That was pretty cool of Kalish to do that. However, I know you are also very high on Iglesias. If they start Iglesias, Kalish and Salty remains the catcher.....we are screwed offensively. Trumbo is a nice thought, but he is yet another player with limited on base skills (for the most part in the minors as well). We can't have a lineup full of guys who can't get on base. The Redsox "run prevention" model already failed them once. The "dynamic speed" model failed them too. Time to go back to the moneyball scheme. Just get on base.

a700... Why all the hate for Farrell? We upgraded two spots from last year. We upgraded manager, and ANYTHING (other than Iglesias) is an upgrade at SS. The only way this hurts us, is if they plug Iglesias in at SS (which they won't).

Not good enough to play SS in Boston. Mark Aviles/Nick Punto and Jose Iglesias were all much better options.

Im ok with Farrell here..... 2 reasons. 1. He is a baseball manager. Nobody gives a s***. Baseball manager is only slightly above a ball boy in terms of importance of a teams personnel. 2. Aviles sucks. I'd rather they had given up the more sucky Salty. Maybe we can throw him in and get a 30 year old backup minor leaguer. Finally thats over. Can we start fixing the real problems (Starting pitching, Bullpen, Closer, Shortstop, Catcher, Shortstop, SP, BP, Shortstop, Pitchers, Shortstop, Catcher, Pitching, Relief Pitching, Pitchers, Shortstop, Catcher, Starting Pitching) now? I know I repeated myself a couple of times, just in case anyone forgot where the real holes were/are.

Once again, Patriots aren't winning a f***ing thing with this secondary.... f***ing brutal.

Your argument is based on projections and comparisons to other s***** offensive players. I understand he can play defense.....I want better than both Aviles and Iglesias. Its not like I am rallying for Aviles like you are rallying for Iglesias. BTW, hard to be reasonable when everyone argued with me about how I was wrong all offseason......only to disappear when it turns out that just about everything I said came to be true. I did, you didn't want to hear it. There is no "be all end all" statistic to evaluate a player. They are all tools which help us evaluate a player. I could cherry pick some obscure (not claiming yours are) stats and claim those to be the end all of player evaluations....we could literally go back and forth all day.

Wow, look at that! Brendan Ryan is a awful Major League Baseball player!!! That must mean that you could project him to be exactly like Iglesias then huh? .......except for the fact that Ryan was, and is a much better offensive player when you compare their minor league numbers. So you think they are equal, and I just showed that he could potentially be WORSE....then I cringe to think about how s***** an offensive player Iglesias really is. Thanks for putting up those numbers to compare those awesomely s***** players, I now actually think he sucks more than I originally did. http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=ryan--001bre http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=iglesi001jos Sure, Iglesias can't hit, and with Aviles....he is +9 when you look at Total Zone Total Fielding Runs per 1200 innings (Rtot/yr). In fact, if you look at most sabermetric fielding categories, Aviles is plus in all of them except 1 (Total Zone Fielding Runs Above Average on the Road). Hate to break it to you. Iglesias sucks, will not be the starting SS when we break camp and if somehow is......then the writing is on the wall before the season even starts. So Aviles is the much better offensive player, and is at least average with the glove. All your time and research showed me (after I researched your numbers and more to compare), was that Iglesias actually sucks worse than I originally thought, and Aviles is actually better with the glove than I thought.

Why has nobody given Ryne Sandberg a serious look?

You have NO statistical point to prove this. Iglesias is beyond awful. Aviles is at least in the "Starter" category (2.0+ above WAR). You speak as if Aviles glove were the reason they sucked. If Iglesias were the starting SS, this team would have reached 100 losses.

Because he hasn't proven anything, and this year made his career year look like a fluke. The only thing he has proven, is that he can't stay healthy. Well, he is only worth what other teams will pay. If they don't value him as much as the RedSox or Boras does, then they arent going to get anything for him.

This year was almost identical as last as well. Not good enough to start in Boston, not good enough defensively to carry as a backup. Release him.......I guarantee he ends up in AAA next year if Boston gets rid of him.

Repeat what you just said. That's the whole point. Some around here argue that he is better than what you just described. He is a dime a dozen 4th or 5th OF. His value.........is that he will be easily replaced.

Nailed it. Finished worse than 3rd, but not by much. Nailed it.

Hes 30. In terms of an "average" MLB career, hes already plateau'd. He is heading down if anything. He is not going to refine switch hitting at 30, in fact....most who can't do it well have given up on it by the age of 30. Im with MVP. Please trade him so this nonsense stops.

Again no, but since you insist.....Bogaerts is not a SS, and when he becomes a 1B/3B, Cabrera is still the better defensive player. No, I havent seen him play. Scouting reports say hes not a MLB SS. I'll take their opinion over yours. Btw, has Daniel Nava blossomed into Ted Williams yet?......

Sorry bud, I agree with you on a lot of things, but Oakland is an awful offensive team. .238 TEAM batting average......238!!!!!! .310 on base percentage. .404 slugging. .714 OPS. They are awful. Their starting pitching and bullpen got them to where they are.

Matt Clement Carl Crawford Adrian Gonzalez Edgar Renterria Carl Everett Derek Lowe (twice, once as a starter, once as the closer) Jeff Suppan Dare I say Dice-K?? Ramon Ramirez There are plenty of guys out there who were not suited to play in Boston besides Jimmy Piersall. Zach Greinke has ZERO business being pursued by management. It will be a disaster.

Thats fine, at least we have something to talk about hahahaha.

FWIW, to show you how much the Redsox value Daniel Nava, just to give you an idea..... They used 10 Outfielders before Nava was even on the 40 man roster..........including signing guys off the street and forcing Lars Anderson to play in the OF. Ellsbury Ross Sweeney Posednick Byrd Kalish Mcdonald Repko Lin Anderson Apparently, the Redsox thinks he sucks too.

....orrrr he fell back to earth, and the .607 is a better indication of the real Daniel Nava. Are we really arguing over Daniel Nava? This team was beyond awful when you have to argue about the worth of a player who shouldn't have even been on the roster.

You are right. At 30 years old, after spending a career in the minor leagues, we have found a diamond in the rough. He will be in AAA to start next year, regardless of what you think he is. There is a reason why he's amassed a staggering 428 at bats at the age of 30. There are people smarter than you, who can look past an "average" season by a guy who played meaningless games during a 93 loss season.