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The disrespect wasn't with the offer, but in the manner in which they presented it, and the way he was treated for years. There was tension boiling over for years between he and the front office.

Where did I say he was the best, or better than Lowell or even Beltre? He did come in second behind Chavez those 2 years in the voting for Gold Glove though.

Yeah, anyone who watched Cano a lot last year knows that he's improved tremendously in the field, and I only expect that to continue. Tex=GGer. A-Rod is a solid defensive 3B, and if not for Eric Chavez he should have 2 GGs at the position. I will never understand though how in 2006 (or was it 2005?) A-Rod was so poor in the field after being so good his first few years there. That one still baffles me. He was horrendous that one season in particular.

lol Thank ya

You can have the best rotation in the world, but if the bullpen blows your leads and as a result you lose the game that area needs to be addressed. I agree with what you're saying, but for the sake of winning and the team being as good as it can be it is something that would have to be considered should it come to that. We shouldn't even be arguing about this now, we don't know how good the pen is gong to be yet, nor do we know how the starters are going to perform. Lets let the season play out a little bit first. As for who would replace him, that's not really a question that can be answered at this point. we need to see who we get to fill out the roster, who's pitching where, and who's pitching well at the time of any hypothetical transition. It could be anyone from Hughes to Aceves to Giese to Jason Johnson, to even god forbid Kei Igawa. Ian Kennedy, Sergio Mitre, etc. Hughes would probably get first cracks, but if he's already up either filling out the number 5 spot or filling in for an in injured starter then my guess would be whoever is pitching best at the time.

haha really?

I agree. Although I feel our team is best served at this point with Joba in the pen, due to his success as a starter last year he deserves to have the chance to start in the rotation on a permanent basis. If he falters and shows signs of breaking down or a lack of durability we can move him to the pen and still get great contributions from him. But I'm also alright with the idea that if the bullpen struggles, regardless of his performance as a starter, we can send him to the 8th inning out of necessity. It may hamper his development, but assuming everyone else in the rotation is healthy and producing I think we would have to consider it in the best interest of the team and attaining the goal of championship # 27. Again, I agree. Sounds good to me. Given the concerns of CC and Burnett, Joba's innings limits, and Wang coming back from an injury I think we should definitely try to fill that other slot with someone who can eat innings, regardless of age. I agree with everything you say on Hughes, and I do expect him to be a top of the rotation starter at some point, if the reason for excluding him from the rotation is because of a concern over durability and how many innings he can pitch, then in following that idea we would have to shy away from Sheets should we fail to come to terms with Pettitte. Aceves was reallly good in his limited time in the bigs last year. After plucking him out of the Mexican League after 6 years prior to last season he went through the system pretty quickly, and successfully. Through 140.2 Minor League innings pitched he compiled a 2.63 ERA through his 25 games (23 starts). He struggled a little bit after reaching AAA, posting a 4.12 and 42 hits given up through his 43.2 innings pitched in Scranton. But he came up and did a nice job filling in. I like this guy a lot, but like Jacko said he's more of a depth guy. I'm not sure his ceiling is much higher than where he's already at, but he's a good guy to have around. Has great control, can throw any pitch in any count and really knows how to pitch. I wondered why he wore 91 for a while, but after doing a wikipedia search on him it appears he grew up a big Chicago Bulls fan and his favorite player was Rodman.

I am too. I learned of this in 2004-2005 and never looked at him the same way again. Now I can't tell you if his use was rampant or how long he did it; whether it was throughout a significant portion of his career or if he just briefly experimented with it, but either way it's wrong and disappointing.

I don't think of this as a classless move by Torre, but rather him exploiting all of the things he kept his mouth shut about for so many years. He endured so much BS off the field during his time as Yankee manager, and after things ended the way they did this is his response to the disrespect he feels he was shown. I'm not going to argue one way or the other about it, all I'm going to say is that this should be an interesting read and I can't wait to get my hands on it.

In The NL West there, sport. For the price he was asking he was worth passing on.

Lets not forget that that was 5 years ago now, sport.

Well the Yankees continue to talk with Pettitte. Seems they won't guarantee even the $10 Mil they had on the table for so long, but through incentives appear willing to make it possible for Andy to make enough money to keep him and his agents happy. http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/hot_stove/posts/43861

Well said, and the feelings of those Red Sox fans is certainly more than understandable. It's one thing to be out at the Stadium for a game and to engage in that kind of banter in the spirit of fun and cheering your team on, but when it leaves there and develops in the streets, message boards, and our personal lives it really is uncalled for. And I admit, I'm somewhat guilty to an extent. When I hear a Sox fan say to me "Yankees Suck!" or something to that effect I sometimes can't help myself but to remind them of the historical differences in terms of success. But it is a rare occurrence, point being that we are all guilty of it to some extent. And to some extent it's ok, but there is a fine line that is crossed all too often. All things aside, including injuries and such, the 2007 and 2008 Red Sox were flat out better than the Yankees. ..happy? Don't be mad that I didn't include 2004 in that statement, but I still truthfully believe that the 2004 Yankees were a better club than the 2004 Red Sox. Greanted, the Sox won the Series, overcame their defecit to the yankees and staged one of the greatest postseason performances in Baseball history, but as is usually the case the Champ is not the best all-around team, but the team that plays the best and gets hot at the right time. I wouldn't dare try to take anything away from that 2004 team and what they accomplished, but I do believe we were better. We just got beat. And yeah, the Sox were beat up down the stretch, but nobody was as beat up as the Yanks were all season lol...let's remember that. We fell short but we made a nice push and kept our heads above water all season. Had to be somebody, I figure it was just our turn this time around. Sounds like a plan! :thumbsup:

I've got a little something-something. Nothing that can be proven, all I can give you is hearsay and a third party account. I can't produce any proof of the conversation or anything of the sort, but a former Astros farmhand who was invited to several Big League camps and even got a small cup of coffee with the 'stros told me that he, Biggio, Camminitti and others all used together during one camp in particular. He specifically mentioned that one afternoon at Cammy's apartment in Kissimmee Biggio himself injected this player. Take it how you want it, I chose to take the player's word, feeling that he wouldnt lie about something such as this. He trusted me with this, even admitting that he himself is guilty, so don't ask me to reveal his identity or anything because I won't.

Being here longer than you doesn't entitle me to preferential treatment, but when you post somewhere long enough you develop a reputation and the people on the board become familiar with you. People here know how I feel about the Yankees and that I am the furthest thing from a bandwagon fan possible. As for why I am here, not that it really pertains to you but I enjoy the conversation here with the respectable Red Sox fans who don't have their heads up their asses and who aren't filled with anger and bitterness towards the Yankees after generations of domination ready to take it out on any Yankee fan they can. A lot of the Yankee boards I came across weren't very good frankly, so I decided to join here. oh wow, aren't you cool! Haughty attitude? Look in the mirror my dude. Man is that some ego you have there. My username isn't deceiving in the least. It lists the number of championships held by the Yankees and Red Sox, respactively at the time of my registration here. And how do you know what I know? Who are you to judge me on my fanhood and what you assume I don't know. Just because a lot of casual baseball fans; many of whom are Yankee fans, admittedly aren't familiar with the history of the game and their respective team doesn't mean I fall into that category. I fell in love with the game at a very young age, and although I only have 20 years on this earth I spent every extra hour of my childhood studying every facet of the game that I could. I have an in depth knowledge and understanding of many areas of the game of baseball; not only as a sport, but as a business, as an American institution, as a symbol of historical growth over the years, etc. I could tell you the most some of the most trivial details of this games history over the past 150 years. So keeping in mind I was a baseball junkie and let my mind absorb as much about baseball as possible over the past 20 years, do you really think I wouldn't take the time to learn about the history of my own favorite team. You really don't think I'm very familiar with players spanning the entire course of this franchise's history. You need to step down from your high horse Mr. "I got banned from SOSH, I'm so cool" and learn a thing or two before you judge. Just because I don't put every aspect of my baseball knowledge on display here on this board, and becuase while I do tend to shy away from the overanalytical statistics and that aspect of the game doesn't mean I don't know how to interpert general stats, and it damn sure doesn't mean I'm clueless when it comes to this game and it's place in American history, because if that's what you believe you're sadly mistaken. I wear my heart for baseball on my sleeve, as I do with my love of the Yankees, and if that rubs some of you guys the wrong way then so be it.

Hilarious ...not!

Nope, not in the least. I do like to watch Maria Sharapova play tennis though

woops, sorry for the caps. I'm not gonna go edit and retype the damn thing though.

I agree with you, but you say it as if you actually give a s***. I AGREE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS, I'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THIS. SURE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ANGRY ABOUT IT, BUT YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. THOSE PEOPLE INCLUDE THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK. YOU'RE ALL THE WAY DOWN IN BUM-f***, TEXAS SO IT REALLY DOESN'T CONCERN YOU. WHAT DOES THE WELFARE OF THE CITY AND STATE OF NEW YORK HAVE TO DO WITH YOU AND YOUR INTERESTS? NOTHING.