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I would have stayed with the sox....truthfully. I would have taken the three years and retired. The pig said it himself he was a millionaire at 24. I wouldnt have wanted to uproot myself again-leave a winning team for a losing team, or leave my teammates or fans. I wouldn't have played all the teams against each and blown my mouth off in the papers, I wouldnt have whined about respect, and wouldnt have busted on schilling in the papers. I would have handled my problems with management with management. And with curt with curt. Not everyone is a materialistic sack of s***... What are you from the movie-Wall Street-Greed is Good. Loyality, winning and team are far better in my mind, than greed.. Good bye-pedro, we appreciated what you did but no one will miss the greedy attitude or spolied ********......well not me anyway.

have fun. we really are going to miss you... PS: I hope it rains...

talk about cheap shots what are you throwing at me.. I said he was great, want do you want me to do get on my knees and blow him.. It would be too crowded with you down there anyway! I saw him pitch plenty of times...I saw him pitch when he was with montreal. translucent---? what the f*** are you trying to say.... defiinition:almost transparent; allowing light to pass through diffusely; "translucent amber"; your commments are translucent thats for sure! Have fun skiing-break a leg....now that's a figure of speech--- at least I think so.but I'm not so sure in your case.

i get the feeling it has been on vacation for awhile. >

would you agree that stats can be manipulated to say anything? admit it...come on, you know that's true. I'm nt saying your stats are wrong but it's true that you can pull out stats to paint nearly any picture you want, my friend. (like you do with yours)....

john this is a thread to discuss and crticize pedro, I would appreciate it if you would respect the the thread and keep your platitudes for the guy on the thread you kicked me out of. I started this because you didnt wanmt me bad mouthing the loser on the other thread--if you remember. and I am pissed becasue I as I have said a million times, though you never seem to catch this part---he is a great pitcher. you said on the other thread he was the greatest pitcher who ever lived--not the greatest redox pitcher but the greatest picher. So read your own posts before you start assaulting me I am bitching becasue the dickhead opened his bad fat greedy immature non professional midget loving mouth again yesterday and I felt that if you can blow him in your thread I can insult him here.. so there, and I am not in the bunker any more...haha If pedro is a God, it's no wonder the world is so f***ed up....what does that make his midget-Jesus? what does that make you-John the baptist?

ouch, at least you sent me to heaven.

aside from all my bitterness and anger about the guy, becasue I truly believe he is a big pathetic greedy baby-BUT that aside...being as objective as possible without any profanity--I think he was just very hurt (poor baby-couldnt resist) with schilling moving into the number 1 slot. To be honest being objective again, I dont know what he was saying about the money..I wanted an excuse to leave and he wanted to make its management 's fault no matter what happend. I have no respect for the guy at all as a person, he can pitch really well, and apparently bitch really well too.

I have be reading a lot of wonderful things about pedro on here. Memories of great games, etc. He was a great pitcher, by no means the greatest but great. However, he showed his true colors with his interview and with signing with Mets. I have come under attack form some of my fellow talksoxers for comments about this schmuck--and why I criticize pedro and not say, Tek. The reason is simple. Pedro is a two-faced, greedy, vindictive, cry baby and Tek isnt. Pedro's comments were typically nonsensical. He's spoiled. pampered f*** head. I hate to be so bitter, but when the guy tosses salvo's against the sox, and thumbs his nose at the team, I say f*** you. I wish him nothing but misery and ill-will. I am looking forward to hearing the boo's at shea when this aging scumbag, has to be taken after his usual 6 innings and 100 pitches or better yet when he starts whining and complaingin about the losing, or gets injured.... Thanks for the memories, and f*** you very much ....Now I will get i my bunker and listen for incoming.

I cant remeber what we arguing about! whatever it was, I know I was right and John was wrong. I think Zenny ran off with the peace pipe.

I dont know about the yankees, but up here in the land of last year's World Champions (God that felt good saying that) -opening day is in April... check back then and we'll see what's what.

I cant answer you... you said... please, if you want to bash on pedro make another thread, we are trying to remember the greatest pitcher who ever lived. don't ruin our thing. Unlike ralphie I would never disrespect the Bada--Bing.

huh, no one said anything about signing him becasue he's nomar..he'edgar..and nomar is nomar... um, er...maybe we should stop smoking the peace pipe. You said.. "granted he only played 81 games the sample is smaller. but it's nomar. given 140+ games his offensive numbers would have decimated edgars." I am happy about edgar and while els is right (lol, careful john your blood pressure) we overpaid a little I still think he's a good pick-up. I await the post exam, explosion.

okay, John..where is the peace pipe???zenny probably took it.. The only thing you said I wont argue with is that I will respect the subject of the thread, and stop bashing pay-dro,. But "the greatest pitcher who ever lived"...I hope your buzz doesnt make you screwup your exams..

speaking of idiots...I said it was from the sarasota trib.

because I dont make sense... he's always right, anyway.. so now we are going to tailor stats by "sample size" and salary based on projected numbers. Oh and plus, "it's nomar"...I wasnt aware being nomar was a stat.. Well, in the past week we've added f***ing as atat thanks to crespo...now we have the "it's nomar"stat. I cant wait to see what's in store for edgar and nomar after your exams.

being a great pitcher--doesnt make you the man..I dont care what the media says..In fact I have defended pedro for years against what I believe was bais against him. I am not sure how you know everyone loved pedro on the team, but I dont have the same access to the team that you clearly do. But in my opinion pedro is a spoiled brat and hall of fame pitcher, which is amplified in the article below form the sarasota trib..... And for the millionth time the reason I get on pedro and not other free agents is becasue the other guys didnt handle their negtiations as classlessly as your boy or play every one agianst each other.... heres the article: Pedro said his heart always will be with Red Sox fans. (Nice sound bite, anyway). Who among us really cares what Pedro Martinez has to say? His actions over the past couple of days have superceded any sincerity his words might carry. Sorry. Word$. There might be pockets of Red Sox fans upset (like John) to see one of the three greatest pitchers in franchise history accept the Mets' guaranteed $52 million over four years to pitch in #%&*$@ New York. The many Dominican Republic fans who poured into Fenway Park every fifth day to watch Martinez pitch is one. The ones who proudly waved the flag of Pedro's homeland, then read of his dominance in stories written in Spanish in the next day's Boston Globe. They're uphappy to see Pedro go. Red Sox management is not. While wishing Martinez the best and praising him for seven wonderful years in Boston, all the politically correct stuff, they're saying something quite different behind closed doors. Something like, "Good riddance.'' There's a reason Martinez was dubbed "Diva Pedro'' by one Boston sports columnist. There was one set of rules for 24 Red Sox players, one set for baseball's Celine Dion. He was allowed to come late to pre-game stretches. He was allowed to question management's decisions. He was allowed to take mini-vacations in the middle of the season. As long as Pedro produced, it was all overlooked. And Pedro did produce. In seven years in Boston, Martinez won 117, lost just 37. His 1999 and 2000 seasons (23-4, 2.07 ERA, 313 Ks; 18-6, 1.74 ERA, 284 Ks) were among the finest in baseball's last 50 years. He did so in recent years with a bum shoulder that required babying and pampering. Pedro developed an earned reputation as a six-inning pitcher. The numbers proved it. Once Pedro's pitch count reached north of 100, his performance usually detoured south. After his last game in a Red Sox uniform, Martinez said if he didn't re-sign, it probably was because the team didn't try hard enough. Apparently Boston's offer of $40.5 million over three years wasn't enough effort. Extending a contract which contained 200 perks, among them that the Red Sox pay for the relocation of Pedro's family, wasn't effort enough. During Martinez's seven years in Boston, the Red Sox paid him $92 million. Ninety-two million. When is enough money enough to live comfortably? Pedro leveraged the Sox against the Mets, the Mets against the Sox, all for that one final guaranteed year which will no doubt ensure Martinez's great-great- great-great grandchildren swill caviar and Dom Perignon. The Red Sox will survive. They did after Roger Clemens left. They did after Nomar Garciaparra left. Had he stayed, Pedro Martinez could have retired as one of the most popular players in Red Sox history. Now he'll be remembered as just another athlete who followed the green.

fire away..good luck on your exams.. he's right and usually is becasue he makes sense.. you did not make sense comparing edgar to what nomar will, could or might do.

els is right, but john's logic is absurd.. are you saying we should now start basing someone's salary on what you think another will do in the coming season...huh... nomar is getting two million less than edgar because nomar had a s***** season and is always injured. How the hell do you know that nomar will do this year....and if he does the things you say he'll sign for more.

pedro is going to get slaughterd in the NL and he'll be injured by June and the mets will regret having ever signed a prima dona who is always complaing and whining about respect, never being able to pitch passed the 6th or over a 100 pitches. Every one can talk whistfully about his great outings and all that, but when it came time to choosing the red sox and the fans not mention the chance to play on a winning team he choose money and the mets over it. I trust and hope he regrets his decision every day he's on the DL because that's where he'll be most of the time he's on the Mets.. I appreciate very much what the guy did in a sox uniform, but in the end he's another classless spoiled douche bag, who cares about one thing and one thing only--money.

FDR would be a step up from kim, though.

i was just kidding.. hard to believe but it was 177

orlando got some timely hits to be sure, but he was a bit of a free swinger..edgar will be a prefect 2 guy..contact, contact... bellhorn if he's around probably can bat somewhere at the bottom of the order.

it was more like 177,...so I guess the answer to other question is a yes.

Its hard to believe that we are comparing renteria to mark bellhorn..