CrespoBlows

Have you ever gotten a Papelboner?

I've got a Papelboner.

I'm not writing him off, I'm saying that he's not that good of a prospect. Sure, he can throw 91 mph, but have you seen his secondary pitches? They're terrible, he's shown absolutely nothing to indicate that he could at least develop into a number three. Just so you know, a college trained pitcher SHOULD get SS A ball hitters out.

Another bad example. Lester throws 95 mph, and COULD throw secondary pitches. He had a outstanding year in single A Sarasota. Phillips throws 87 mph at max. That's right now. Now, do you really believe he can improve that much to become at least a 3 starter? Unless he has gets at least two secondary pitches, he's just middle relief material.

Of course you can learn how to throw pitches in the minor leagues, but how effective they are is another question. I'll give him time to develop, but whether he can successfully do I'll have my doubts. BTW, where would you rank Phillips in terms of Red Sox prospects, and what do you think his ceiling is?

Buddy, you can work on your pitches as long as you want to, but if you weren't cut out to throw a curveball, then you aren't cut out to throw a curveball.

Seriously, this book was terrible. You want to talk about Prima Donna Media Whore? Johnny Damon is your man. I'll quote a passage: "I'm so raw, I mean I look at myself in the mirror and realize how raw I am."

No one is throwing him to the curb right now, but you guys think it's so likely that just because he's 21 his fastball and other pitches are automatically going to improve. Even if they do improve, is a 90 mph fastball (probably his ceiling), and a below average arsenal of secondary stuff going to cut it in the big leagues?

Big difference. Papelbon had an outstanding fastball and complemented it with a good changeup and great slider. Phillips has an average fastball, and no other good secondary pitch to go along with it.

Does watching me shave give you a boner? Joking aside, maybe we should do it earlier, like around 7 PM.

It's a live draft, as of right now.

I'm bumping this thread. WARNING- Anyone who hasn't bought this book. DON'T! This was the worse book I've ever read. Stephen King writes about two paragraphs, while Stuart O'Nan (who throws handicapped children out of their chairs to get foul balls) supplies the rest. He was voted top 20 young authors, which says a lot about the standards of that voting system.

I want in. Yay! I beat the other 5 people.

I think you misunderstood of what I said. Phillips' fastball will NEVER fool any big league hitter. He has absolutely no other pitches besides a weak changeup, and a 87 mph fastball. This guy is Abe Alvarez, except his fastball is about two mph faster.

I don't believe that is the reason why. He probably would be proud to represent his country, but the problem is, that Manny would have to actually go play hard for a few innings. Nowadays, that's close to impossible for Mr. Ramriez to do that.

That's all he basically has. His changeup is below average, his curveball isn't refined, nor any other secondary pitch. His fastball might fool some A hitters, but not any big leaguers. Look at Abe Alvarez for example, he has great command, but his stuff is below average. He probably won't be any thing more than MR fodder.

Why does anyone care? These are consenting adults spending there own money. Why should anyone interfere with that. No one has any right to tell someone where to spend their money, if it doesn't hurt anyone.

I believe he'll probably stay at 2B, but he'll get some playing time at SS in case Gonzalez falters.

I don't see this guy as anything except, maybe a set up guy. His fastball isn't good enough to fool major league hitters. He is still young, so this should be an interesting year for Phillips.

http://soxprospects.com/players/images/jedlowrie.jpg Age: 21 Born: April 17, 1984 Salem, OR Height: 6-0 Weight: 185 Bats: Both Throws: Right Drafted: 1st round, 2005 How Acquired: Draft College: Stanford High School: North Salem HS ETA: mid-2007 Scouting Report: Excellent fielder with a strong arm and above average range. Above average speed on the basepaths with great power for a middle infielder. Hits equally from both sides of the plate. Smart and athletic. Awards 2005 NYPL All Star 2005 SoxProspects.com All-Star - SS Baseball America has him ranked at 8th in the Top ten prospect list.

I'll do Jed Lowrie, I'll leave any other prospect I had unclaimed.

Kinda useless to do updates on players who aren't in our system. I know Hanley Ramirez' stalker would want to do that, but it's not really needed to do updates on ex-prospects. I guess if you wanted to though, it wouldn't bother me.

I'm wondering if we can make a sticky page, that informs everyone on who owns what prospect. I wouldn't be opposed if we started a new prospect claiming page, because I think three people have Ellsbury. EDIT* I went ahead and started one, here's a few of them. Jon Lester-stocker323 (thread created) Craig Hansen- yankeessuck013 (all threads merged into 1 thread now) Dustin Pedroia- whereisnomar (already a huge thread started on him made by Crespo) Manny Delcarmen- CityofChampions33 (formerly Chitallion Stallion) (thread made already) Jacoby Ellsbury- Open (thread already made by Crespo) David Murphy- SchillingistheNatural (thread created) Brandon Moss- Open (thread already made by Crespo) Jed Lowrie- Crespo Blows (thread created) Clay Bucholz- Open (thread already created) Luis Soto- elsrbueno (thread created) David Pauley- Open (no thread created yet) Abe Alvarez- yeszir (thread created) Edgar Martinez- Open (no thread created yet) Micheal Bowden- ksushi (thread created) Ryan Phillips- riverside sluggers (No thread Created) Mike Rozier- Open (No Thread Created) Chris Durbin- RedGuitar985 (Thread Created) Andrew Pickney- One Red Seat (no thread created) Jeff Corsaletti- Open (No Thread Created) Jon Egan- Open (No Thread Created) Felix Doubrant- Riverside Sluggers (Thread created)

Wow, I can't believe I'm seeing something gayer than "Brokeback Mountain."

Ellsbury has a ton of range, but he lacks the arm to play RF. I guess he could play there though, but the Red Sox would have to get their power elsewhere on the diamond.