Red Sox (Suarez) vs Angels (Johnson): 7/5/26, 9:30pm

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, notin said:

Bogaerts deal was reportedly fallout from a bidding war with Philly over Trea Turner.  Each team kept upping their offer until reportedly Turner told San Diego to stop, as his wife is from Philly and that was the deciding factor.  Preller then used a huge chunk of his last offer to sign Bogaerts.  Probably confident Bogaerts didn’t also marry someone from eastern PA…

I recall the Padres were also interested in Judge.

I think the Cubs were also in on Bogey, but I'm not sure if they ever made a serious offer.

[moonslav59]

21 minutes ago, notin said:

Even in a sellers’ market, Weissert and Slaten look like weak trade options.

Coulombe, Guerrero & a healthy IKF might gather better returns.

[southpaw777]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

That is clearly hyperbole, at best, and a misrepresentation at worst.

You do know he added Harrison and Priester, too. They just never or hardly pitched for the big club. The Sale trade was unfortunate, and backfired spectacularly on several levels. Adding injured or injury-prone pitchers is true and very concerning, but Sale was injury-prone, and Brez is blasted for trading away injury pitchers and for signing them. Hmmm....

Okay, he traded away Sale- big whiff.

He traded for and away Harrison, Priester and Drohan. None have had more than 24 GS'd for the other team, yet. Let's count them as 4 decent pitchers dealt away from our depth. Brez also traded Fitts, who we never hear about as trading away depth.

Now, let's look at the additions, not counting the Harrison & Priester adds.

Crochet: could cancel out the Sale loss.

Giolito: had 26 GS in 2025, which is more than Priester (24) and Harrison (16) PLUS Drohan (3)

(Buehler was healthy when we signed him and during the 2025 season: he just sucked. Sandoval has been a big bust at $18M/2.)

Gray (16 & counting) winning trade

Suarez (17 & counting) Best pitching signing since _____?

Tolle (16 & counting) was drafted by Brez

Bennett (7 & counting) winning trade.

Oviedo (0) is on IL

Newcomb (5) was a bust as a SP'er, and Brez should have kept him as a RP'er. He's done very well since that tarde.

(DMay & Paxton were minor additions and busts)

Minor league depth added- some far away from MLB ready

Trade: Holobetz, Ziehl, Jose Bello & others

Draft: Eyanson, Witherspoon, Futrell, Phillips, Finley, Brown, B Morgan, Mayers, B Ortiz, Patton & others

MiLFA or IFA: Delzine, Rivera, Montero & others

Rule 5 returnees: Paez & Bastardo

Ranked Pitching prospects traded away:

4 Perales (Bennett)

8 Clarke (Gray)

10 Fajardo w Aita (Contreras)

11 Sandlin (Ziehl)

12 Dobbins (Contreras)

18 Drohan w Harrison (Durbin, Monasterio, Seigler and Comp B pick)

Do you see a net loss in rotation strength and depth, here?

 

 

Once again, the whole point is having depth. He traded for them, yes, which I mentioned. But then got rid of too much. Speaking of the Oviedo mess, let’s not mention Cooper Criswell who was pretty reliable as a fill in starter or long relief. We paid him 800k then a month later Bres acquired Oviedo and just DFAd Criswell. I remember seeing plenty of other names that could have been. But he chose another depth arm. 
four Starters are out, Bennett takes one spot.

we had plenty of good depth in 24 and 25. We needed it this year. A lot of those names we got back are not better than what we had.

Gray Tolle Bennett….do we call Bello back up? Will Sandoval fall apart before or after he’s called up. What a mess. How many of those names you listed we got back will or can help us this year? How many are on the 40-man?

[moonslav59]

17 minutes ago, southpaw777 said:

Once again, the whole point is having depth. He traded for them, yes, which I mentioned. But then got rid of too much. Speaking of the Oviedo mess, let’s not mention Cooper Criswell who was pretty reliable as a fill in starter or long relief. We paid him 800k then a month later Bres acquired Oviedo and just DFAd Criswell. I remember seeing plenty of other names that could have been. But he chose another depth arm. 
four Starters are out, Bennett takes one spot.

we had plenty of good depth in 24 and 25. We needed it this year. A lot of those names we got back are not better than what we had.

Gray Tolle Bennett….do we call Bello back up? Will Sandoval fall apart before or after he’s called up. What a mess. How many of those names you listed we got back will or can help us this year? How many are on the 40-man?

He added more ML ready pitchers than subtracted (26 and 40.)

Not many teams handle losing 5 of their top 9-10 starters this well. Why you choose pitching depth as your main point is beyond me. It's the only area we have excelled in. It's not even close.

Big bat neglected.

Pen neglected.

Middle infield strength and depth not really neglected but a major concern.

Rotation and rotation depth is the only major plus area beyond 1B.

SP'ers on the 40: Underlined = Brez addition

Gray, Suarez, Tolle, Bennett, Early, Bello, Sandoval, Rivera, Anderson

IL: Crochet, Houck, Crawford, Oviedo, Uberstine

SP'ers on other team's 40:

Sale, Harrison, Drohan

IL: Priester

Okay, I wish we had Harrison and Sale, too, but the overall net gain is tremendous, even with Crochet on the IL.

[southpaw777]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

He added more ML ready pitchers than subtracted (26 and 40.)

Not many teams handle losing 5 of their top 9-10 starters this well. Why you choose pitching depth as your main point is beyond me. It's the only area we have excelled in. It's not even close.

Big bat neglected.

Pen neglected.

Middle infield strength and depth not really neglected but a major concern.

Rotation and rotation depth is the only major plus area beyond 1B.

SP'ers on the 40: Underlined = Brez addition

Gray, Suarez, Tolle, Bennett, Early, Bello, Sandoval, Rivera, Anderson

IL: Crochet, Houck, Crawford, Oviedo, Uberstine

SP'ers on other team's 40:

Sale, Harrison, Drohan

IL: Priester

Okay, I wish we had Harrison and Sale, too, but the overall net gain is tremendous, even with Crochet on the IL.

It’s what he got back. Not the net gain. More bodies back but less talent. Anderson is useless.so is uberstine and Rivera is a BP arm. 
his injury guys Sandoval and Oviedo (Criswell loss) were both questionable at the time. Why even trade Preister? Two starters and a reliable middle IFer for 2 AAAA IF utility guys and a soft hitting middle IFer profile playing out of position was dumb. 
if you think more bodies back is better than more useful talent then I guess you’re right.

[moonslav59]

Just now, southpaw777 said:

It’s what he got back. Not the net gain. More bodies back but less talent. Anderson is useless.so is uberstine and Rivera is a BP arm. 
his injury guys Sandoval and Oviedo (Criswell loss) were both questionable at the time. Why even trade Preister? Two starters and a reliable middle IFer for 2 AAAA IF utility guys and a soft hitting middle IFer profile playing out of position was dumb. 
if you think more bodies back is better than more useful talent then I guess you’re right.

I've agreed: what we got back for Sale sucked.

What we got back for Priester looked like a suck, but is now TBD.

What we got back for Harrison & Drohan started out as a major suck, but is moving towards a TBD, now.

Criswell? Seriously? Hell, Fitts had a better outlook than he did.

What about what we gave up for Gray, Crochet, Bennett & Oviedo?

The Suarez signing might be the best FA SP'er signed since I can't remember... surely better than Half-Price.

The Tolle draft might be the best Sox pitcher drafted since Lester.

I look at the totality of the rotation moves as over 2 dozen pitchers have been added and subtracted in Brez's 3 seasons.

It's a major net plus, so I'll take 1 bad trade and possible 2 others  and 2 bad signings (Buehler & Sandoval) for the 4-6 good trades and 2-3 good signings.

This is not Brez's weak area.