Red Sox (Houck) vs Blue Jays (Bassitt): 9/23/24, 7:07pm

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Yup

i guess you’d have to say Rafaela is worse than Bradley. At least JBJ had some good streaks with a bat. Rafaela looks completely lost at the plate. I don’t see that becoming at an acceptable level.

You mean like this?

.860 4/24 to 5/7

.841 5/19 to 6/18 or a longer one of .804 from 5/19 to 7/12 (179 PAs)

.832 7/2 to 8/13 (141 PAs)

He actually had a 280 PA stretch of .783. That's almost half his 2024 PAs.

No wonder I stopped coming to the game threads. The negativity is just plain unhealthy.

[moonslav59]

4 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Those figures are proof that stats aren’t everything. Bradley was a pleasure to watch in the OF too. He rightfully got jettisoned when he started to suck with a bat in his hands.

Hey-I hope Rafaela reaches the level of “acceptable” offensively. He’s not there. He’s not even close.

Yes, he did start sucking on O, and they did get rid of him at the right time (the first time.) He did have a 6 season stretch of better than "acceptable" offense and GG or near GG defense in a very important OF position.

I guess nothing short of an All Star at every position is good enough for you. Oh, wait. ... JBJ was an AS.

Ooops.

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

You mean like this?

.860 4/24 to 5/7

.841 5/19 to 6/18 or a longer one of .804 from 5/19 to 7/12 (179 PAs)

.832 7/2 to 8/13 (141 PAs)

He actually had a 280 PA stretch of .783. That's almost half his 2024 PAs.

No wonder I stopped coming to the game threads. The negativity is just plain unhealthy.

Unfortunately ALL the ABs count. There’s no reason for a pitcher to EVER throw him a strike.

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

Yes, he did start sucking on O, and they did get rid of him at the right time (the first time.) He did have a 6 season stretch of better than "acceptable" offense and GG or near GG defense in a very important OF position.

I guess nothing short of an All Star at every position is good enough for you. Oh, wait. ... JBJ was an AS.

Ooops.

If you are arguing that when he was good Bradley was much better overall than what we have seen in Rafaela I’d agree. But when he started to suck with a bat they were the same-unacceptable.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Duran has a good chance of doing something only Ty Cobb had done. Not too shabby.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Another good start by a SOX pitcher. It hasn't been the starting pitching that's kept the SOX from the PO's.

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Duran has a good chance of tying a Ty Cobb record. Not too shabby.

He’s probably the brightest spot on the team this year. There are others: Casas, Wong, Houck etc Obviously they need to fix their pitching to become relevant again. And I don’t think we have much in the minor league to help out. Let’s see if Henry opens his purse to obtain good TOTR pitchers this winter.

[mvp 78]

Get the duck boats ready. They gonna get 79 wins!

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

6 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

He’s probably the brightest spot on the team this year. There are others: Casas, Wong, Houck etc Obviously they need to fix their pitching to become relevant again. And I don’t think we have much in the minor league to help out. Let’s see if Henry opens his purse to obtain good TOTR pitchers this winter.

Probably? Ya think?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Get the duck boats ready. They gonna get 79 wins!

Should be one helluva parade.

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

Probably? Ya think?

Houck was an all star too and quite a surprise. Second place.

[mvp 78]

JBJ didn’t have a good full season until he was 26. Ceddanne is still 23. I think we can give him a little break. He’s a much better 23 year old than JBJ was.

[FredLynn]

7 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Get the duck boats ready. They gonna get 79 wins!

I wouldn’t put it past this pen to blow the lead

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Story may not function smoothly on offense, but he's a well-oiled machine at SS.

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

JBJ didn’t have a good full season until he was 26. Ceddanne is still 23. I think we can give him a little break. He’s a much better 23 year old than JBJ was.

As of right now he isn’t even nearly acceptable with a bat. The only thing I can relate to is what is right now. Maybe Rafaela will improve offensively (I certainly hope he does); maybe he won’t. 
As of right now he’s awful.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Capt. Kirk of the Jays has made some excellent plays behind home plate.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

10 walks and counting. Ya don't see that every game. Kirk should put his target outside the strike zone causing his pitcher to throw strikes.

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

10 walks and counting. Ya don't see that every game.

You don’t see that ever. Still only three runs to show for it.

[moonslav59]

30 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Unfortunately ALL the ABs count. There’s no reason for a pitcher to EVER throw him a strike.

I'm replying to your point that he is never any good on O.

You brought up JBJ, not me, and acted like he was no good, too.

JBJ did end up with good numbers over a combined 6 year period, whereas Rafaela has not, but Rafaela has only had one full season to look at. Now, you seem to be implying JBJ was okay.

Here is one comp stat you might find interesting:

.556 first 613 PAs of career: JBJ (2013 to AUG 12, 2015) Age 23-25

.670 first 646 PAs of career: Rafaela (2023-2024) Age 23-24

[moonslav59]

40 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Unfortunately ALL the ABs count. There’s no reason for a pitcher to EVER throw him a strike.

Same when any player is in a mega slump. 

You seem to assume this is who he always has been, is and ever will be.

[FredLynn]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm replying to your point that he is never any good on O.

You brought up JBJ, not me, and acted like he was no good, too.

JBJ did end up with good numbers over a combined 6 year period, whereas Rafaela has not, but Rafaela has only had one full season to look at. Now, you seem to be implying JBJ was okay.

Here is one comp stat you might find interesting:

.556 first 613 PAs of career: JBJ (2013 to AUG 12, 2015) Age 23-25

.670 first 646 PAs of career: Rafaela (2023-2024) Age 23-24

You can’t assume that Rafaela’s career trajectory will mimic that of JBJ. He may or may not have acceptable or better years offensively. I am comparing Rafaela to Bradley when Bradley was equally useless offensively. I am NOT comparing their whole careers. There will come a point where Rafaela will need to prove himself with a bat or he will no longer be in the game-anywhere.

[moonslav59]

16 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

As of right now he isn’t even nearly acceptable with a bat. The only thing I can relate to is what is right now. Maybe Rafaela will improve offensively (I certainly hope he does); maybe he won’t. 
As of right now he’s awful.

Right now, yes. He is batting very badly. Off the charts badly.

Tonight, though, he'd be projected to have 328 RBI on a season. "Right now," he's freakin' amazing!

LOL!

 

[FredLynn]

3 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Same when any player is in a mega slump. 

You seem to assume this is who he always has been, is and ever will be.

I am making no such assumption. What I am doing is stating my opinion of his total performance for the entire year. 
Do you think Rafaela’s total offensive performance this year is acceptable?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

This Guerrero has some good stuff. He's been impressive since his call up.

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Right now, yes. He is batting very badly. Off the charts badly.

Tonight, though, he'd be projected to have 328 RBI on a season. "Right now," he's freakin' amazing!

LOL!

 

And for the year? Is what he has done ok?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

8 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I'm replying to your point that he is never any good on O.

You brought up JBJ, not me, and acted like he was no good, too.

JBJ did end up with good numbers over a combined 6 year period, whereas Rafaela has not, but Rafaela has only had one full season to look at. Now, you seem to be implying JBJ was okay.

Here is one comp stat you might find interesting:

.556 first 613 PAs of career: JBJ (2013 to AUG 12, 2015) Age 23-25

.670 first 646 PAs of career: Rafaela (2023-2024) Age 23-24

MOON. it's a hopeless cause. I've given up.

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

MOON. it's a hopeless cause. I've given up.

How about you? Do you think Rafaela’s offensive performance this year has been acceptable?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Just now, FredLynn said:

How about you? Do you think Rafaela’s offensive performance this year has been acceptable?

15 HR's, 73 RBI mainly batting 9th in the order. Yes I do, but i know responding to your question is a waste of time. Oh yeah, he's also an excellent CF, but I know that doesn't interest you.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Might call this a 'walk on' win.

[FredLynn]

2 minutes ago, SPLENDIDSPLINTER said:

15 HR's, 73 RBI mainly batting 9th in the order. Yes I do, but i know responding to your question is a waste of time. Oh yeah, he's also an excellent CF, but I know that doesn't interest you.

We aren’t discussing his defense. He’s clearly a well above average defender. 
We are going to have to agree to disagree on his offense. IMO he’s been awful this year. Too many K’s. No plate recognition whatsoever. Last walk august 9. Horrible OBP. 
So I’ll continue to criticize his offense and you can keep defending him.

Deal?