4/13/23 Thursday the 13th- What Could Go Wrong vs Rays ?

[d-money]

I've got no problem blaming Bloom and/or Cora, but the real blame should be directed at JH. He's the one who controls the money and he's the one who decided to transform the SOX into a small market team. Hiring Bloom should have been the 1st hint.

 

I been said that. Ownership doesn’t get a pass here.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I've got no problem blaming Bloom and/or Cora, but the real blame should be directed at JH. He's the one who controls the money and he's the one who decided to transform the SOX into a small market team. Hiring Bloom should have been the 1st hint.

 

Having said that, thank you, JH for the 4 championships. We'll have many, many years to remember those. Hopefully, not 86.

[iortiz]

I have a feeling Bloom is going to be fired midway through the year

 

As I said in other thread, this team is not rebuilding nor contending. They are mediocre and arguably bottom 10 team in all baseball. It has no direction. The farm is not even close to be one of the best either. Aside Mayers, who else is elite and close in the pipeline? None. He let walk Xander and while keeping Story. He let walk Renfroe also. He signed Devers, but for what? Casas is still a question mark. Dalbec is nothing but mediocre. Arroyo, Tapia, Refsnyder, Chang, Hernandez, Wong etc are utility guys and some of them play almost every day. We also have big chunk of old wounded dogs/injury prone at both sides of the plate, and don't let me start at the pitching. He still thinks this Oakland A's baseball. It is not. You might argue that he want to run the team like LAD (ie like TB with steroids), and I was one of those who thought he would, but it is not even close. And you know what is the funny thing? This is still a 200+ M payroll team.

 

Yes, he has to go already.

Edited April 13, 2023 by iortiz

[vegasbob]

Kutter throws an 80mph curve to Brandon Lowe who promptly deposits it in the Bank of Deep RF. Another pitching key find by the Sox

[jacksonianmarch]

Boone is still around, so there's hope for Chaim.

 

JH never has an issue shaking things up. Steinny is allergic to it

[d-money]

Having said that, thank you, JH for the 4 championships. We'll have many, many years to remember those. Hopefully, not 86.

 

Might take awhile to be respectable again. Huge payroll and they still don’t look as competitive. I wonder also about these players and their mindset. It’s pathetic.

[jung]

Pivetta went 5 with no ERs and only 3 hits & 2 BB vs these Rays.

The game before that, Crawford went 5 IP with 1 ER (5H & 0BB) v DET.

The game before that: Houck 5 IP 2 ER, 3H and 2 BB v DET

 

Kluber's last start was nice: 5 IP, 1 ER, 3H & 1 BB

 

Pivetta had another game with 5 IP and 1 ER (3H & 1 BB)

 

 

Detroit, wake me up when they wake up.

 

That said I suspect we are going to see a whole bunch of abysmal baseball teams this year. Detroit will not be alone in that category. At least we are not that.

 

Players with horrid defense have been able to hide it behind the shift for one thing. Over the course of the 162 at least this year, that is likely to yield comical results. But this bullet had to be bitten at some point. Just as well be now so that MLB can sift through the chaff.

Edited April 13, 2023 by jung

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

As I said in other thread, this team is not rebuilding nor contending. They are mediocre and arguably bottom 10 team in all baseball. It has no direction. The farm is not even close to be one of the best either. Aside Mayers, who else is elite and close in the pipeline? None. He let walk Xander and while keeping Story. He let walk Renfroe also. He signed Devers, but for what? Casas is still a question mark. Dalbec is nothing but mediocre. Arroyo, Tapia, Refsnyder, Chang, Hernandez, Wong etc are utility guys and some of them play almost every day. We also have big chunk of old wounded dogs/injury prone at both sides of the plate, and don't let me start at the pitching. He still thinks this Oakland A's baseball. It is not. You might argue that he want to run the team like LAD (ie like TB with steroids), and I was one of those who thought he would, but it is not even close. And you know what is the funny thing? This is still a 200+ M payroll team.

 

Yes, he has to go already.

 

Blaming Bloom is similar to giving your wife 5 dollars to go shopping on Rodeo Drive and blaming her for not bringing home something nice.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The SOX are 15th currently in payroll at 177 million and 17% of that is the wasted money they're paying Sale.

The Yankems' payroll is 100 million more than the SOX.

[iortiz]

Blaming Bloom is similar to giving your wife 5 dollars to go shopping on Rodeo Drive and blaming her for not bringing home something nice.

 

Well I think I can name plenty of teams with a similar payroll and even less which are fairly better.

[d-money]

Well I think I can name plenty of teams with a similar payroll and even less which are fairly better.

 

I think player accountability is an issue here as well. This team seriously has no leaders. Sale’s schtick is old.

[iortiz]

The SOX are 15th currently in payroll at 177 million and 17% of that is the wasted money they're paying Sale.

The Yankems' payroll is 100 million more than the SOX.

 

That's not what I saw few days ago at MLB Network. It was above 200 M.

[iortiz]

I think player accountability is an issue here as well. This team seriously has no leaders. Sale’s schtick is old.

 

Sure, and that goes on Cora too. It's a wreck train top to bottom.

[jung]

Blaming Bloom is similar to giving your wife 5 dollars to go shopping on Rodeo Drive and blaming her for not bringing home something nice.

 

I agree with that at least in part. The Sox were never really committed to this "bloom thing". I don't know if the Sox brass were simply oblivious to the fact that what the Rays do involves an entire organization aimed at building what we have grown to recognize as a Rays Team at the ML level year after year or just hired Bloom as a marketing effort and hoped for the best. One guy alone was not going to get them what the Rays have.

 

For example has there been any recognizable effort by the Sox to build their pitching staff the way the Rays build theirs.....any effort to even make it resemble the Rays staff? Not that I have seen and we are what....four years into Bloom time. Its not a terrible Sox staff but it is not even a reasonable facsimile of the Rays staff. How does are ability to pump everyday players up from the farm and cut them loose when they are ready to start hauling' home the heavy iron look? Either you are all the way in or all the way out. This halfway s***, ain't cutting it from what I can see. Not surprised by that.

 

When you let MLB's current best SS go so you can torture yourself seeing what we now have at SS, something went wrong.

Edited April 13, 2023 by jung

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

That's not what I saw few days ago at MLB Network. It was above 200 M.

 

I just looked it up on Spotrac.

[jacksonianmarch]

Bloom was brought in to rebuild a dead farm system. Look at the big prospects. Rafaela, Mata, Bello, Casas. Brought in by Dombrowski. Bloom brought in Bleis and lucked into Mayer. He’s mostly whiffed thereafter. He watched Bogey, Eovaldi, and JD walk when he should have gotten a trade haul. The Betts deal didn’t work out. He finds a diamond in the rough in Renfroe and deals him off for JBJ who fails. I’m sorry, but the Sox have an ok farm thanks to DD and an awful team. Bloom needs to go

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

The SOX are 15th currently in payroll at 177 million and 17% of that is the wasted money they're paying Sale.

The Yankems' payroll is 100 million more than the SOX.

 

Btw, the Mets are number 1 at 345 million.

[iortiz]

I agree with that at least in part. The Sox were never really committed to this "bloom thing". I don't know if the Sox brass were simply oblivious to the fact that what the Rays do involves an entire organization aimed at building what we have grown to recognize as a Rays Team at the ML level year after year or just hired Bloom as a marketing effort and hoped for the best. One guy alone was not going to get them what the Rays have.

 

For example has there been any recognizable effort by the Sox to build their pitching staff the way the Rays build theirs.....any effort to even make it resemble the Rays staff? Not that I have seen and we are what....four years into Bloom time. Its not a terrible Sox staff but it is not even a reasonable facsimile of the Rays staff. How does are ability to pump everyday players up from the farm and cut them loose when they are ready to start hauling' home the heavy iron look? Either you are all the way in or all the way out. This halfway s***, ain't cutting it from what I can see. Not surprised by that.

 

When you let MLB's current best SS go so you can torture yourself seeing what we now have at SS, something went wrong.

I think Bloom has freedom to do whatever is needed to get the job done. Need to hire staff? Do it. Need players? do it.Need develop the farm? do it.

 

Said that If the later is not true, then we are the biggest lie in baseball. Ive been listened that the "money thing" has never been an issue. If they need to spend, he can spend.

Edited April 13, 2023 by iortiz

[iortiz]

I just looked it up on Spotrac.

 

No problem, it is stil a big chunk of money.

[Tedballgame]

The Red Sox cannot win in Tampa Bay. What an awful performance.

[iortiz]

Btw, the Mets are number 1 at 345 million.

 

and probably still peanuts for its owner.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Tomorrow night's game against the Angels will be broadcast on Apple+. If you don't have Apple+, that may be a good or a bad thing.

[d-money]

The s*** show is complete! Now 3 games under 500

[Tedballgame]

This team is just not very good. There’s not one thing they do really well, except lose to Tampa. This is all on ownership and Bloom for putting out this putrid product.

[iortiz]

This team is just not very good. There’s not one thing they do really well, except lose to Tampa. This is all on ownership and Bloom for putting out this putrid product.

 

It's that simple, actually.

[redsoxrules]

I think this is the best performance by a Sox starting pitcher of the year so far. Did Penata have one that was close to this?

 

When Kluber gets tired his breaking stuff flattens out and it looks so hittable coming up there. I think that is in part why the Rays have been able to get wood to pitches outside the strike zone. They start out there and stay out there when Kluber is tired and that is like playing pickle for these guys.

 

Lol what? That was a crap performance. At the end of the day he couldn't manage to go 5 and gave up 4 ER in the process. Garbage

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

and probably still peanuts for its owner.

 

JH may be thinking "hell, I've paid for 4 championships; I've full-filled my obligation as an owner."

[iortiz]

Lol what? That was a crap performance. At the end of the day he couldn't manage to go 5 and gave up 4 ER in the process. Garbage

 

Well, imagine the rest.

[redsoxrules]

I've got no problem blaming Bloom and/or Cora, but the real blame should be directed at JH. He's the one who controls the money and he's the one who decided to transform the SOX into a small market team. Hiring Bloom should have been the 1st hint.

 

Meh, I give Bloom more the blame. The payroll is still up there so he has money to play with. He just decided to do patch work this season in hopes that it works.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I think Bloom has freedom to do whatever is needed to get the job done. Need to hire staff? Do it. Need players? do it.Need develop the farm? do it.

 

Said that If the later is not true, then we are the biggest lie in baseball. Ive been listened that the "money thing" has never been an issue. If they need to spend, he can spend.

 

If that were the case, JH would have kept DD.