The pursuit of Aaron Judge

[moonslav59]

I'm not assuming anything, but you certainly are.....

 

I'm assuming guys who admitted to suing roids used them?

 

I'm assuming players testing positive were actually were using roids?

 

Guilty as charged.

[JDavis76]

I'm assuming guys who admitted to suing roids used them?

 

I'm assuming players testing positive were actually were using roids?

 

Guilty as charged.

 

And you also assume guys that deny it like papi are innocent......

[Bellhorn04]

The Sox brought in a doc to tell their team how to take steroids. How do you spin that?

 

Someone in the organization thought this would be a good idea because they assumed the whole league was taking steroids.

[JDavis76]

Someone in the organization thought this would be a good idea because they assumed the whole league was taking steroids.

 

Or someone in the organization thought it would be a good idea because they weren't naive and realized that every team had people juicing......

[Bellhorn04]

Or someone in the organization thought it would be a good idea because they weren't naive and realized that every team had people juicing......

 

That's what I'm saying.

 

It's a little different from the team holding meetings about how to juice properly, though. The players were going WTF is this?

[moonslav59]

And you also assume guys that deny it like papi are innocent......

 

I have never assumed that, said that or implied that. I only said it was never proven.

 

Big difference.

 

If I had to guess, I think Papi probably did take something- maybe not knowingly, but that doesn't really matter.

 

On Manny, I'm not so sure. Maybe 50-50. I think as he aged, he felt he needed help, but certainly he may have cheated while with the Sox, and was good at hiding it.

 

Again, it's conjecture vs proven cases and more than 4 proven cases.

 

You really don't see a difference? 4 proven vs 2 suspected?

 

How do you view the Astros cheating scandal that robbed you of your certain ring vs the fact that everyone, including you guys were cheating? Just curious.

[JDavis76]

I have never assumed that, said that or implied that. I only said it was never proven.

 

Big difference.

 

If I had to guess, I think Papi probably did take something- maybe not knowingly, but that doesn't really matter.

 

On Manny, I'm not so sure. Maybe 50-50. I think as he aged, he felt he needed help, but certainly he may have cheated while with the Sox, and was good at hiding it.

 

Again, it's conjecture vs proven cases and more than 4 proven cases.

 

You really don't see a difference? 4 proven vs 2 suspected?

 

How do you view the Astros cheating scandal that robbed you of your certain ring vs the fact that everyone, including you guys were cheating? Just curious.

 

I think what the astros were doing was next level compared to what the sox and Yanks were doing. And who are the "proven 4"?

[dgalehouse]

Let's be honest . The use of anabolic steroids was very widespread in baseball , as well as other sports . To say that it was the other guys doing it and we were clean is either disingenuous , naive or just plain dumb.

[moonslav59]

Let's be honest . The use of anabolic steroids was very widespread in baseball , as well as other sports . To say that it was the other guys doing it and we were clean is either disingenuous , naive or just plain dumb.

 

Nobody is saying that. Stop with the strawman constructions.

[JDavis76]

Nobody is saying that. Stop with the strawman constructions.

 

Again, who are the "proven 4"?

[moonslav59]

I think what the astros were doing was next level compared to what the sox and Yanks were doing. And who are the "proven 4"?

 

I asked you who "& Company" was first, but unlike you, I will answer as best I know.

 

I won't count ARod.

 

1. Clemens (no doubts, despite being a known liar about it)

 

2. Pettite (no doubt and admitted it)

 

3. Jason Giambi (admitted it)

 

4. David Justice (Mitchell Report states he bought PEDs)

 

Want more?

 

5. Kevin Brown (Mitchel Report names 2 witnesses)

6. Denny Neagle (M.R.)

7. Jason Grimsley (M.R.)

8. Mike Stanton? (Mitchel Report claims he met with Radomski)

 

Others, like Manny, who used while on other teams, but who played for the Yanks:

Ricky Bones

Ron Villone

Dan Naulty

Todd Williams

Carlos Almanzar

Felix Heredia

Darren Holmes

Josias Manzanillo

Bobby Estalella

Jim Leyritz

Hal Morris

 

Known Red Sox users or who used on other teams before or after the Sox?

 

Jeremy Giambi

Manny

Papi?

Canseco

Paxton Crawford

Clemens

Manny Alexander?

Tom House?

 

 

 

[Old Red]

Nobody is saying that. Stop with the strawman constructions.

 

You and your strawman.

[JDavis76]

I asked you who "& Company" was first, but unlike you, I will answer as best I know.

 

I won't count ARod.

 

1. Clemens (no doubts, despite being a known liar about it)

 

2. Pettite (no doubt and admitted it)

 

3. Jason Giambi (admitted it)

 

4. David Justice (Mitchell Report states he bought PEDs)

 

Want more?

 

5. Kevin Brown (Mitchel Report names 2 witnesses)

6. Denny Neagle (M.R.)

7. Jason Grimsley (M.R.)

8. Mike Stanton? (Mitchel Report claims he met with Radomski)

 

Others, like Manny, who used while on other teams, but who played for the Yanks:

Ricky Bones

Ron Villone

Dan Naulty

Todd Williams

Carlos Almanzar

Felix Heredia

Darren Holmes

Josias Manzanillo

Bobby Estalella

Jim Leyritz

Hal Morris

 

Known Red Sox users or who used on other teams before or after the Sox?

 

Jeremy Giambi

Manny

Papi?

Canseco

Paxton Crawford

Clemens

Manny Alexander?

Tom House?

 

 

 

 

Just as I thought, guys like Clemens who never failed a test but was named in the partisan Mitchell report are definites but papi is a maybe.

 

You crack me up. Just more moonslop.

[moonslav59]

You and your strawman.

 

You're the expert on strawman construction, not me.

[moonslav59]

Just as I thought, guys like Clemens who never failed a test but was named in the partisan Mitchell report are definites but papi is a maybe.

 

You crack me up. Just more moonslop.

 

Papi is a maybe, because we don't even know what he might have taken or if it was even illegal.

 

The fact that Clemens is a liar, and it is a fact- not just on steroids, does not mean there was no clear evidence Clemens used, like numerous witnesses who exposed him while under oath. You really don't see a difference?

 

Why not jizzslop me the names of the "company?"

[moonslav59]

You and your strawman.

 

You probably don't even know what the term means.

[Old Red]

You probably don't even know what the term means.

 

As usual wrong again. Is that all you got for everyone?

[moonslav59]

As usual wrong again. Is that all you got for everyone?

 

Hardly all I got, but when posters like you continually construct false opinions held by other posters, I'll keep on calling you out.

 

I know it might hurt your fragile ego to keep being exposed for misunderstanding positions over and over, but it happens so often, I can see why you think exposing you over and over is "all I got."

[Old Red]

Hardly all I got, but when posters like you continually construct false opinions held by other posters, I'll keep on calling you out.

 

I know it might hurt your fragile ego to keep being exposed for misunderstanding positions over and over, but it happens so often, I can see why you think exposing you over and over is "all I got."

 

In your little corner of the world.

[moonslav59]

In your little corner of the world.

 

I've always wanted to live on your big corner.

 

You must feel so blessed.