2022 Bullpen Thread

[moonslav59]

Bring up Bazardo, Kelly and German and DFA/demote Brasier, Robles and Barnes…

 

Kelly is having a real hard time at AAA. Why should he do better in the bigs?

 

Sub Seabold for Kelly.

[moonslav59]

Updated Review of Starters vs Relievers Game-by-Game

 

Starters IP/ER vs Relievers IP/ER

 

SP- RP

L 5.0/3 - 5.0/1 (2 ghost runs allowed)

L 5.2/4 - 2.1/0

W 3.1/3 - 5.2/1

L 4.1/1 - 3.2/2

W 4.1/3 - 4.2/0

W 5.0/2 - 4.0/5

L 2.0/5 - 7.0/4

W 5.2/0 - 3.1/0

W 5.0/0 - 4.0/1

L 4.2/4 - 4.1/4

W 4.2/1 - 4.1/1

L 4.0/5 - 5.0/1

L 5.0/2 - 4.0/1

W 5.0/2- 4.0/0

L 4.0/0- 5.2/3

L 4.0/ 0- 4.0/5

L 7.0/2- 1.0/4

L 4.2/2- 5.0/3 (plus 1 ghost runner)

W 6.0/1- 3.0/0

L 3.0/0- 5.0/0

W 4.0/0- 5.0/1

L 7.0/0- 2.0+/1 (+ ghost runner scored)

L 4.1/3- 3.2/6

W 5.2/0- 3.2/0

L 5.0/2- 5.0/7

L 5.0/0- 4.0/8

L 5.0/3- 4.0/1

L 6.0/0-4.0/2

L 2.2/3- 6.1/0

W 3.0/3- 6.0/1

L 6.1/3- 2.3/2

W 7.0/1- 2.0/0

W 6.0/2- 3.0/0

L *pen game*

W 5.0/2- 4.0/1

L 1.2/6- 7.1/3

W 9.0/1- n/a (Pivetta CG)

W 2.0/4- 7.0/2

W 4.2/2- 4.1/0

W 3.0/5- 6.0/0

W 6.2/2-3.1/1

W 6.0/3-3.0/0

L 5.0/2- 3.0/0

W 4.1/5- 4.2/2

L 6.0/2- 3.0/9

W 9.0/2- n/a

L 3.0/4- 6.0/0

W 6.0/1- 3.0/1

L 4.0/6- 5.0/4

L 5.2/0- 3.1/0

W 6.0/0- 3.0/0

 

The pen has done better in 24 games.

The starters have done better in 20, counting 2 CG's where pen did not pitch..

They did about the same in 7 games.

 

The pen as done okay to well in 34 games.

The starters have done okay to well in 33 games.

 

I did not count the "pen game" 7-1 loss to the Rangers.

[Larry Cook]

It feels like Hang’em Chaim is starting to shuffle the deck chairs around on the titanic, I mean the bullpen.

 

Brazier, Valdez and straim back on the roster and a couple of 1978 ford pintos to the dl.

[moonslav59]

It feels like Hang’em Chaim is starting to shuffle the deck chairs around on the titanic, I mean the bullpen.

 

Brazier, Valdez and straim back on the roster and a couple of 1978 ford pintos to the dl.

 

Treading water while the lifeboats row off, half full.

[Larry Cook]

We are up in Oakland 4-0 and then they bring in strahm for the 8th and he promptly tries to lose the game for us.

 

Dumpster fire bullpen continues!

[moonslav59]

We are up in Oakland 4-0 and then they bring in strahm for the 8th and he promptly tries to lose the game for us.

 

Dumpster fire bullpen continues!

 

Danish walked the first guy in the 8th, but yesm Strahm added some gas to the dumpster fire.

[Bellhorn04]

So now the plan is clear at last. Houck will be closer very soon. Took long enough, but it's the right move.

[Larry Cook]

So now the plan is clear at last. Houck will be closer very soon. Took long enough, but it's the right move.

 

He pitched the 8th today in Oakland in a blow out.

[moonslav59]

So now the plan is clear at last. Houck will be closer very soon. Took long enough, but it's the right move.

 

Yup!

[Larry Cook]

Danish walked the first guy in the 8th, but yesm Strahm added some gas to the dumpster fire.

 

Cora seems to be using scheibner as the designated fire fighter. How long until he ends up being over used?

[moonslav59]

Cora seems to be using scheibner as the designated fire fighter. How long until he ends up being over used?

 

I think Houck is going to ease into the fire fighter role.

[notin]

Cora seems to be using scheibner as the designated fire fighter. How long until he ends up being over used?

 

Schreiber strikes me as a guy with a short shelf life…

[Larry Cook]

I think Houck is going to ease into the fire fighter role.

 

Hang’em Chaim continues to a huddle the deck chairs.

[moonslav59]

Hang’em Chaim continues to a huddle the deck chairs.

 

So little faith.

[moonslav59]

Starters IP/ER vs Relievers IP/ER

 

SP- RP

L 5.0/3 - 5.0/1 (2 ghost runs allowed)

L 5.2/4 - 2.1/0

W 3.1/3 - 5.2/1

L 4.1/1 - 3.2/2

W 4.1/3 - 4.2/0

W 5.0/2 - 4.0/5

L 2.0/5 - 7.0/4

W 5.2/0 - 3.1/0

W 5.0/0 - 4.0/1

L 4.2/4 - 4.1/4

W 4.2/1 - 4.1/1

L 4.0/5 - 5.0/1

L 5.0/2 - 4.0/1

W 5.0/2- 4.0/0

L 4.0/0- 5.2/3

L 4.0/ 0- 4.0/5

L 7.0/2- 1.0/4

L 4.2/2- 5.0/3 (plus 1 ghost runner)

W 6.0/1- 3.0/0

L 3.0/0- 5.0/0

W 4.0/0- 5.0/1

L 7.0/0- 2.0+/1 (+ ghost runner scored)

L 4.1/3- 3.2/6

W 5.2/0- 3.2/0

L 5.0/2- 5.0/7

L 5.0/0- 4.0/8

L 5.0/3- 4.0/1

L 6.0/0-4.0/2

L 2.2/3- 6.1/0

W 3.0/3- 6.0/1

L 6.1/3- 2.3/2

W 7.0/1- 2.0/0

W 6.0/2- 3.0/0

L *pen game*

W 5.0/2- 4.0/1

L 1.2/6- 7.1/3

W 9.0/1- n/a (Pivetta CG)

W 2.0/4- 7.0/2

W 4.2/2- 4.1/0

W 3.0/5- 6.0/0

W 6.2/2-3.1/1

W 6.0/3-3.0/0

L 5.0/2- 3.0/0

W 4.1/5- 4.2/2

L 6.0/2- 3.0/9

W 9.0/2- n/a

L 3.0/4- 6.0/0

W 6.0/1- 3.0/1

L 4.0/6- 5.0/4

L 5.2/0- 3.1/0

W 6.0/0- 3.0/0

W 7.0/0-2.0/0

The pen has done better in 24 games.

The starters have done better in 20, counting 2 CG's where pen did not pitch..

They did about the same in 8 games.

 

The pen as done okay to well in 35 games.

The starters have done okay to well in 34 games.

 

I did not count the "pen game" 7-1 loss to the Rangers.

[Larry Cook]

Brazier gave up a run in the 9th today.

 

Going into the 9th with a 5 to 1 lead and seeing brazier on the mound is so scary and a 5 to 1 lead seems so fragile.

 

How is Cora not a raging alcoholic with this bullpen,

[moonslav59]

Brazier gave up a run in the 9th today.

 

Going into the 9th with a 5 to 1 lead and seeing brazier on the mound is so scary and a 5 to 1 lead seems so fragile.

 

How is Cora not a raging alcoholic with this bullpen,

 

Because the pen has done okay to well in 36 games, this year.

[mvp 78]

Closer: Houck

Setup: Schreiber

Setup2: German (DFA Brasier)

Middle1: Strahm

Middle2: Bazardo (DFA Robles)

Middle3: Danish

Long1: Davis

Long2: Diekman

[Bellhorn04]

Closer: Houck

Setup: Schreiber

Setup2: German (DFA Brasier)

Middle1: Strahm

Middle2: Bazardo (DFA Robles)

Middle3: Danish

Long1: Davis

Long2: Diekman

 

Somebody up there likes Brasier.

[mvp 78]

Somebody up there likes Brasier.

 

CERA for Brasier

Juan Centeno/Dan Butler/Chris Ianetta 0.00 (Centeno has a tOPS+ of 194 though)

Blake Swihart 1.80

Sandy Leon 3.49

Christian Vazquez 3.81

Kevin Plawecki/Hank Conger 5.40

 

Per Statcast:

Bottom 1%: Exit Velocity, XSLG, HardHit%, xISO, Barrel%

 

Run Value for 4-Seamer:

2018 -7

2019 1

2020 -2

2021 -4

2022 5 and has a hard hit % of 65.7% and xSLG of .756!!!!!!!!!

 

I wouldn't even waste my time with him in WOO anymore. Just get him out of the org.

[Larry Cook]

CERA for Brasier

Juan Centeno/Dan Butler/Chris Ianetta 0.00 (Centeno has a tOPS+ of 194 though)

Blake Swihart 1.80

Sandy Leon 3.49

Christian Vazquez 3.81

Kevin Plawecki/Hank Conger 5.40

 

Per Statcast:

Bottom 1%: Exit Velocity, XSLG, HardHit%, xISO, Barrel%

 

Run Value for 4-Seamer:

2018 -7

2019 1

2020 -2

2021 -4

2022 5 and has a hard hit % of 65.7% and xSLG of .756!!!!!!!!!

 

I wouldn't even waste my time with him in WOO anymore. Just get him out of the org.

 

Kind of harsh! Ouch!

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

Dave Bush tells @jcmccaffrey that in a few weeks if Sale is throwing well they'll decide if they want to bring him back and finish his progression out of the bullpen, or if he will go through his full progression in the minors and return to the rotation around the all-star break.

 

I'm not against Sale pitching in the pen exclusively this season if everyone else stays healthy. Seems like you could ramp up Houck to start if you had to.

[moonslav59]

@redsoxstats

Dave Bush tells @jcmccaffrey that in a few weeks if Sale is throwing well they'll decide if they want to bring him back and finish his progression out of the bullpen, or if he will go through his full progression in the minors and return to the rotation around the all-star break.

 

I'm not against Sale pitching in the pen exclusively this season if everyone else stays healthy. Seems like you could ramp up Houck to start if you had to.

 

We might also have Paxton available, later on, if the need for a starter arises.

 

I kinda like the idea of using Sale in the pen, this year, but I fear he might overthrow and just make things worse.

[notin]

Somebody up there likes Brasier.

 

Opposing hitters, for one…

[notin]

@redsoxstats

Dave Bush tells @jcmccaffrey that in a few weeks if Sale is throwing well they'll decide if they want to bring him back and finish his progression out of the bullpen, or if he will go through his full progression in the minors and return to the rotation around the all-star break.

 

I'm not against Sale pitching in the pen exclusively this season if everyone else stays healthy. Seems like you could ramp up Houck to start if you had to.

 

I’m fine with Houck not starting…

[Larry Cook]

Austin Davis is throwing the ball much better this year than last. I am shocked at the movement in his pitches.

[moonslav59]

The pen is starting to be more helpful than not, of late. Here is my update...

 

Starters IP/ER vs Relievers IP/ER

 

SP- RP

L 5.0/3 - 5.0/1 (2 ghost runs allowed)

L 5.2/4 - 2.1/0

W 3.1/3 - 5.2/1

L 4.1/1 - 3.2/2

W 4.1/3 - 4.2/0

W 5.0/2 - 4.0/5

L 2.0/5 - 7.0/4

W 5.2/0 - 3.1/0

W 5.0/0 - 4.0/1

L 4.2/4 - 4.1/4

W 4.2/1 - 4.1/1

L 4.0/5 - 5.0/1

L 5.0/2 - 4.0/1

W 5.0/2- 4.0/0

L 4.0/0- 5.2/3

L 4.0/ 0- 4.0/5

L 7.0/2- 1.0/4

L 4.2/2- 5.0/3 (plus 1 ghost runner)

W 6.0/1- 3.0/0

L 3.0/0- 5.0/0

W 4.0/0- 5.0/1

L 7.0/0- 2.0+/1 (+ ghost runner scored)

L 4.1/3- 3.2/6

W 5.2/0- 3.2/0

L 5.0/2- 5.0/7

L 5.0/0- 4.0/8

L 5.0/3- 4.0/1

L 6.0/0-4.0/2

L 2.2/3- 6.1/0

W 3.0/3- 6.0/1

L 6.1/3- 2.3/2

W 7.0/1- 2.0/0

W 6.0/2- 3.0/0

L *pen game*

W 5.0/2- 4.0/1

L 1.2/6- 7.1/3

W 9.0/1- n/a (Pivetta CG)

W 2.0/4- 7.0/2

W 4.2/2- 4.1/0

W 3.0/5- 6.0/0

W 6.2/2-3.1/1

W 6.0/3-3.0/0

L 5.0/2- 3.0/0

W 4.1/5- 4.2/2

L 6.0/2- 3.0/9

W 9.0/2- n/a

L 3.0/4- 6.0/0

W 6.0/1- 3.0/1

L 4.0/6- 5.0/4

L 5.2/0- 3.1/0

W 6.0/0- 3.0/0

W 7.0/0-2.0/0

W 6.0/1-3.0/1

W 9.0/0- N/A (Wacha CG)

W 4.0/4-6.0/1

W 5.0/0-4.0/0

L 5.0/4-3.0-1

W 4.1/2- 4.2/1

 

The pen has done better in 27 games.

The starters have done better in 22, counting 2 CG's where pen did not pitch..

They did about the same in 9 games.

 

The pen as done okay to well in 40 games.

The starters have done okay to well in 38 games.

 

I did not count the "pen game" 7-1 loss to the Rangers.

[dgalehouse]

The pen is starting to be more helpful than not, of late. Here is my update...

 

Starters IP/ER vs Relievers IP/ER

 

SP- RP

L 5.0/3 - 5.0/1 (2 ghost runs allowed)

L 5.2/4 - 2.1/0

W 3.1/3 - 5.2/1

L 4.1/1 - 3.2/2

W 4.1/3 - 4.2/0

W 5.0/2 - 4.0/5

L 2.0/5 - 7.0/4

W 5.2/0 - 3.1/0

W 5.0/0 - 4.0/1

L 4.2/4 - 4.1/4

W 4.2/1 - 4.1/1

L 4.0/5 - 5.0/1

L 5.0/2 - 4.0/1

W 5.0/2- 4.0/0

L 4.0/0- 5.2/3

L 4.0/ 0- 4.0/5

L 7.0/2- 1.0/4

L 4.2/2- 5.0/3 (plus 1 ghost runner)

W 6.0/1- 3.0/0

L 3.0/0- 5.0/0

W 4.0/0- 5.0/1

L 7.0/0- 2.0+/1 (+ ghost runner scored)

L 4.1/3- 3.2/6

W 5.2/0- 3.2/0

L 5.0/2- 5.0/7

L 5.0/0- 4.0/8

L 5.0/3- 4.0/1

L 6.0/0-4.0/2

L 2.2/3- 6.1/0

W 3.0/3- 6.0/1

L 6.1/3- 2.3/2

W 7.0/1- 2.0/0

W 6.0/2- 3.0/0

L *pen game*

W 5.0/2- 4.0/1

L 1.2/6- 7.1/3

W 9.0/1- n/a (Pivetta CG)

W 2.0/4- 7.0/2

W 4.2/2- 4.1/0

W 3.0/5- 6.0/0

W 6.2/2-3.1/1

W 6.0/3-3.0/0

L 5.0/2- 3.0/0

W 4.1/5- 4.2/2

L 6.0/2- 3.0/9

W 9.0/2- n/a

L 3.0/4- 6.0/0

W 6.0/1- 3.0/1

L 4.0/6- 5.0/4

L 5.2/0- 3.1/0

W 6.0/0- 3.0/0

W 7.0/0-2.0/0

W 6.0/1-3.0/1

W 9.0/0- N/A (Wacha CG)

W 4.0/4-6.0/1

W 5.0/0-4.0/0

L 5.0/4-3.0-1

W 4.1/2- 4.2/1

 

The pen has done better in 27 games.

The starters have done better in 22, counting 2 CG's where pen did not pitch..

They did about the same in 9 games.

 

The pen as done okay to well in 40 games.

The starters have done okay to well in 38 games.

 

I did not count the "pen game" 7-1 loss to the Rangers.

 

Most people who follow the Sox know that the bullpen has been the major problem area . Starting pitching has been pretty good. Your unofficial scorecard lacks credibility. Right off the bat on opening day , Sox had the lead in the 8th inning and blew it. Had the lead again in the 10th and blew it . Lost in the 11th. The Yankee bullpen clearly out pitched the Sox bullpen. Yet , you say they did well . Credibility gone.

[Bellhorn04]

Most people who follow the Sox know that the bullpen has been the major problem area . Starting pitching has been pretty good. Your unofficial scorecard lacks credibility. Right off the bat on opening day , Sox had the lead in the 8th inning and blew it. Had the lead again in the 10th and blew it . Lost in the 11th. The Yankee bullpen clearly out pitched the Sox bullpen. Yet , you say they did well . Credibility gone.

 

He only said the Sox relievers did better than the Sox starter that game.

[Larry Cook]

Houck looked a bit shaky in his save opportunity. Gave up a hit and a scorcher that story caught.

 

But I was happy he had a successful first save chance.