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Do any of our other starters look like aces to you? Plus whenever you use the word "touted" you are talking about the Sox PR machine. Andrew Benintendi was "touted" as I recall.

 

What they have really been pushing is the return of Sale. I don't blame them. But it does sound kind of desperate.

 

It’s been said ERod has ace stuff; I haven’t seen it over the course of his career, but he should be a solid #2 guy. What he doesn’t have is an ace mentality.

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Do any of our other starters look like aces to you? Plus whenever you use the word "touted" you are talking about the Sox PR machine. Andrew Benintendi was "touted" as I recall.

 

What they have really been pushing is the return of Sale. I don't blame them. But it does sound kind of desperate.

 

Meh. Aces, especially for the Sox are few and far between. Becket one year, 2007. Schilling in 2004. Lester one year. Sale one year until it became clear he was no good from August on. Price never.

 

ERod stood out in 2019 because everyone else was so bad, plus ERod, for the first time and maybe the only time in his life, started 34 games.

 

So, you're right. No aces on this team, but that's irrelevant because ERod is so horribly bad anyone would be better. His ERA is 5.64, and his WAR is -.1.

 

The next worst starter is Eovaldi with an ERA of 4.01 and a WAR of 1.2. Richards has an ERA of 3.75 and a WAR of 1.0. Pivetta's ERA is 3.77 and his WAR is 1.2. And Perez's ERA is 3.55 and WAR .9.

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Cora looks silly clinging on to his belief that Kike, having never lead off, is the leadoff guy for Sox.

 

Has anyone asked Kike how he likes it?

 

I know several of you always talk about feeling comfortable in batting order is the most important thing.

 

Maybe a journalist should ask Kike.

 

Problem is no one is hitting right now. Let’s face it, if two of Verdugo, JD, Bogie and Devers aren’t hitting, the offense is going to do nothing, and right now none of them are hitting.

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Cora looks silly clinging on to his belief that Kike, having never lead off, is the leadoff guy for Sox.

 

Has anyone asked Kike how he likes it?

 

I know several of you always talk about feeling comfortable in batting order is the most important thing.

 

Maybe a journalist should ask Kike.

 

I think the lead-off hitter thing in baseball is yet another thing that has been utterly confused by this insistence on depending on stats that have driven teams to throw HR hitters at the top of their orders. So now teams are questioning whether their lead off hitter hits enough HR's??????????? In the same breath they are downgrading guys that can work counts, get on base from lead-off any way they can that have enough speed to steal a bag. They probably think Betts would be the ideal lead-off hitter. Well OK....how many Mookie's are there?

 

Possibly the return to baseballs that are not rocket ships to Mars will return some "normalcy" to the situation and less consternation about what actually makes a lead-off hitter.

 

I don't think Hernandez should be lead-off either. Maybe they should stick Verdugo there and stay with him come hell or high water because I don't really know who else I would put there day in and day out from this team.

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I see the Ghost has shown up with what I will guess is his/her usual inane ramblings. You can always least tell when the Sox are playing badly, the Ghost appears.
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I see the Ghost has shown up with what I will guess is his/her usual inane ramblings. You can always least tell when the Sox are playing badly, the Ghost appears.

 

You really don’t get the reverse lock magic ? Go back to bed Thelma

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Seems to me that every team in baseball attempts this "pitch the guy back to health" thing now. If he can limp or hobble out to the mound and his arm is not falling completely off, he pitches.

 

So it is not unusual to me to see a guy like ERod not really ready but pitching anyway. Everybody throwing heat as hard as they are throwing it and everybody throwing wicked breaking stuff has sort of forced this "all pitchers on deck all the time" thing. Seems like we can't have enough pitchers and I think that is the norm now.

 

I actually don't know how this generation of Managers does it. It just looks like they are rolling bones and trying to determine their pitching moves based on how the bones land. Most teams don't have enough pitching to do any better than that it seems. The big decision of the night for most Managers seems to be "can I get 5 innings out of the starter and I am living right at 6". Everything else flows from that.

Heey jung, how are you doing man? Been a while since the last time I read you bud (maybe it’s just me because I do not post much as I used to). Anyways, nice to see you posting my friend.

 

Yeah, as always you are right or at least I see the thing the same as you do. Maybe ERod wasn’t/isnt completely ready to pitch at 100% of his abilities, or simply his rhythm/confidence will take a bit more (or way more, who knows) to regain his former form again.

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Meh. Aces, especially for the Sox are few and far between. Becket one year, 2007. Schilling in 2004. Lester one year. Sale one year until it became clear he was no good from August on. Price never.

 

ERod stood out in 2019 because everyone else was so bad, plus ERod, for the first time and maybe the only time in his life, started 34 games.

 

So, you're right. No aces on this team, but that's irrelevant because ERod is so horribly bad anyone would be better. His ERA is 5.64, and his WAR is -.1.

 

The next worst starter is Eovaldi with an ERA of 4.01 and a WAR of 1.2. Richards has an ERA of 3.75 and a WAR of 1.0. Pivetta's ERA is 3.77 and his WAR is 1.2. And Perez's ERA is 3.55 and WAR .9.

 

Pedro was an ace. Sale was an ace for 2 years with us. Lester was for more than one season.

 

BTW, ERod was better in 2018, except for IP.

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I see the Ghost has shown up with what I will guess is his/her usual inane ramblings. You can always least tell when the Sox are playing badly, the Ghost appears.

 

I’m getting close to giving up on game threads, again.

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Pedro was an ace. Sale was an ace for 2 years with us. Lester was for more than one season.

 

BTW, ERod was better in 2018, except for IP.

I think Buch had a good year with us. Did Matzuzaka have a good year? Porcello won a CY lol.

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I think Buch had a good year with us. Did Matzuzaka have a good year? Porcello won a CY lol.

 

I guess to some an ace is only an ace, if they go 30-2.

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