Who Will Be The 2019 Red Sox Closer?

[harmony]

I retained Ryan Brasier in my limited keeper fantasy league and took a $1 flier on Jenrry Mejia. I passed on Matt Barnes, who went for $5, and Craig Kimbrel, who went for $15.

 

Mejia remains the dark horse.

[Bellhorn04]

Geez, there are literally hundreds to pick from concerning papi and PEDs.

 

And CBS is not "well-known"??!!

 

Um, no, some guy named Martin Kleinbard who works for a CBS local affiliate is not well-known. Had you ever heard of him?

 

But sure, you can always find lots of unsubstantiated crap on the internet, obviously.

[BillyWilliams]

Um, no, some guy named Martin Kleinbard who works for a CBS local affiliate is not well-known. Had you ever heard of him?

 

But sure, you can always find lots of unsubstantiated crap on the internet, obviously.

 

Maybe you should google him.

 

Bottom line, are you saying papi wasn't named in the report?

[Slasher9]

David Ortiz was not named in the report.

[BillyWilliams]

Hmm, then it seems really strange that he would claim that he would "find out what he tested positive for" if he wasn't...... Edited March 26, 2019 by BillyWilliams

[notin]

Hmm, then it seems really strange that he would claim that he would "find out what he tested positive for" if he wasn't......

 

 

Bear in mind that was a survey test to determine the extent of PED usage around the league. So what players tested for does matter, because some of the tests may have been for substances that MLB was allowing but planning on banning. For example, if he tested positive for androstenedione, that was allowed by MLB in the 2003 season and was not banned until 2004. And it probably wasn’t the only substance to fit that criteria. So what any player tested positive for absolutely matters...

[BillyWilliams]

Bear in mind that was a survey test to determine the extent of PED usage around the league. So what players tested for does matter, because some of the tests may have been for substances that MLB was allowing but planning on banning. For example, if he tested positive for androstenedione, that was allowed by MLB in the 2003 season and was not banned until 2004. And it probably wasn’t the only substance to fit that criteria. So what any player tested positive for absolutely matters...

 

I know, he was only taking supplemental milkshakes...........

[Bellhorn04]

I know, he was only taking supplemental milkshakes...........

 

Attaboy, when you've got nothing else, pull out the milkshake.

[BillyWilliams]

Attaboy, when you've got nothing else, pull out the milkshake.

 

No, when you have nothing else you claim that he was one of the 10 "innocent" guys on the list aside from the fact that his numbers just happen to spike across the board at the same time........

[Slasher9]

Fun Fact:

David Ortiz owns the Yankees.

[notin]

Attaboy, when you've got nothing else, pull out the milkshake.

 

 

He’s become a one-trick pony...

[mvp 78]

No, when you have nothing else you claim that he was one of the 10 "innocent" guys on the list aside from the fact that his numbers just happen to spike across the board at the same time........

 

He slugged over 600 in his forties tho?

[notin]

No, when you have nothing else you claim that he was one of the 10 "innocent" guys on the list aside from the fact that his numbers just happen to spike across the board at the same time........

 

 

So you’re saying you know for a fact he was taking something illegal? And you have a great source for this factual knowledge?

[BillyWilliams]

So you’re saying you know for a fact he was taking something illegal? And you have a great source for this factual knowledge?

 

No, but I know for a fact that he was on the list and his numbers spiked at the same time.

 

Do you disagree with that?

[mvp 78]

No, but I know for a fact that he was on the list and his numbers spiked at the same time.

 

Do you disagree with that?

 

You know the names of everyone on that list, or no?

[notin]

No, but I know for a fact that he was on the list and his numbers spiked at the same time.

 

Do you disagree with that?

 

So you’re saying that your “proof” rests on his numbers spiking AFTER he failed a drug test and AFTER MLB implemented drug testing? And if he failed for something illegal, wouldn’t he be tested more frequently than other random players? Shouldn’t he have been a better hitter before the testing if he was using? Or is your argument that he started using specifically for the drug test?

 

Your argument rests on him using before the testing, but improving after the testing. A better theory chronologically is that his production spiked because he was no longer facing juiced-up pitchers. But even that is not all that likely.

 

A spike in production is not proof of steroid use. If it is, then Babe Ruth and Roger Maris were clear steroid users...

Edited March 27, 2019 by notin

[mvp 78]

David Ortiz "spikes" at 28 = steroids.

 

Luke Voit "spikes" at 27 = nothing to see here.

[notin]

David Ortiz "spikes" at 28 = steroids.

 

Luke Voit "spikes" at 27 = nothing to see here.

 

If you want to look for any cause, Ortiz’ production spike was probably related to league expansion in 2003. Whenever new teams get added, it dilutes MLB pitching and some hitters do a better job taking advantage. It’s probably no coincidence that Roger Maris hit nearly one quarter of his career home runs in an expansion year. Or that George Foster - remember him? He was like what? 5’10 150 lbs - managed to crush 52 home runs in an expansion year despite hitting only 79 HRs in the previous 8 seasons combined...

[jacksonianmarch]

David Ortiz "spikes" at 28 = steroids.

 

Luke Voit "spikes" at 27 = nothing to see here.

 

The old bait and switch. Voit hasn’t failed a drug test. Papi did. Granted, Voit looks like he’s done a cycle or two

[Slasher9]

The old bait and switch. Voit hasn’t failed a drug test. Papi did. Granted, Voit looks like he’s done a cycle or two

 

david ortiz never failed a test tho....

[Slasher9]

Commissioner: David Ortiz's 'positive' PED test in '03 may not have been reliable

[mvp 78]

The old bait and switch. Voit hasn’t failed a drug test. Papi did. Granted, Voit looks like he’s done a cycle or two

 

So how is that a bait and switch?

[BillyWilliams]

So you’re saying that your “proof” rests on his numbers spiking AFTER he failed a drug test and AFTER MLB implemented drug testing? And if he failed for something illegal, wouldn’t he be tested more frequently than other random players? Shouldn’t he have been a better hitter before the testing if he was using? Or is your argument that he started using specifically for the drug test?

 

Your argument rests on him using before the testing, but improving after the testing. A better theory chronologically is that his production spiked because he was no longer facing juiced-up pitchers. But even that is not all that likely.

 

A spike in production is not proof of steroid use. If it is, then Babe Ruth and Roger Maris were clear steroid users...

 

Did Ruth and Maris' "spikes" coincide with them being named in the report?

[BillyWilliams]

You know the names of everyone on that list, or no?

 

No, but papi admitted to being on the list.

 

What's your point?

[mvp 78]

Why spend all this time whining about Ortiz when a s*** ton of Yankees are probably on that list? Does that invalidate their championships from the 90's?

 

It's disingenuous to keep ranting and raving about Ortiz when (a) the whole list hasn't been released and ( the winingest team during the steroid era was the Yankees. Coincidence? Probably not.

 

It's also really weird to posit that someone peaked after a leaked test result. Shouldn't that be when he saw a decline?

[BillyWilliams]

Why spend all this time whining about Ortiz when a s*** ton of Yankees are probably on that list? Does that invalidate their championships from the 90's?

 

It's disingenuous to keep ranting and raving about Ortiz when (a) the whole list hasn't been released and ( the winingest team during the steroid era was the Yankees. Coincidence? Probably not.

 

It's also really weird to posit that someone peaked after a leaked test result. Shouldn't that be when he saw a decline?

 

Hardly whining, I just stated that he was named on the list. The whining was those trying to defend or deny it.

[mvp 78]

Hardly whining, I just stated that he was named on the list. The whining was those trying to defend or deny it.

 

The whining is you bringing it up over and over for no reason at all. Just sour grapes....................... LOL

[BillyWilliams]

The whining is you bringing it up over and over for no reason at all. Just sour grapes....................... LOL

 

So the ones defending and denying it over and over?

[Bellhorn04]

And of course it's pretty likely that A-Rod was juicing in '09 when he carried the Yanks to the title, right? Without that they'd be without one since 2000, right?

[mvp 78]

So the ones defending and denying it over and over?

 

If you weren't constantly whining about it and bringing it up, they wouldn't have to defend/deny.