A Realistic View at 2018: Part II

[jacksonianmarch]

Bogaerts' WAR projected over 162 games is 6.7. That would be a new career high for Manny Machado. Xander will be 27 for the entire regular season of his first FA year. Anyone thinking they were getting Xander at a discount were sadly mistaken. If this kid puts up back to back 6 WAR seasons while showing passable SS defense or better, he will be paid in the Machado realm.

[Larry Cook]

No 2 players has benefited more from Cora's approach than Bogie and Betts.

 

Betts has benefitted from the presence of benintendi and Martinez more than anything.

[Spudboy]

Bogaerts is having a pretty darn good season.

 

He's being overshadowed by Betts and JD.

 

He is looking pretty good.

 

I liked juxtapositioning him with Lindor ( my standard for AL SS ) this series.

[moonslav59]

Weird 2017 dip for so many of our younger stars...

 

The B's 2016>2017>2018

 

.897> .803> 1.067 Betts

.802> .746> .886 Bogey

.835> .726> .693 JBJ

.835> .776> .875 Beni

[moonslav59]

AL Leaders

 

HRs

39 K Davis

38 JDM

37 Ramirez

33 Gallo

32 Stanton

31 Cruz

30 Trout

29 Lindor

27 Betts

 

RBI

110 JDM

103 K Davis

91 Ramirez

85 Encarnacion

84 Bogey

 

BA

.340 Betts

.333 JDM

.328 Altuve

.315 Machado

.315 Segura

.309 Trout

.307 Smith

.306 Merrifield

.301 Brantley

.297 Benintendi

 

 

[Station 13]

Betts has benefitted from the presence of benintendi and Martinez more than anything.

 

No, Betts is just great. He's a generational 5 tool player.

[moonslav59]

I hope we find a way to make Betts retire in Boston.

[Bellhorn04]

No, Betts is just great. He's a generational 5 tool player.

 

You got it.

[Bellhorn04]

I hope we find a way to make Betts retire in Boston.

 

It's certainly one of Dave's biggest challenges going forward.

[moonslav59]

It's certainly one of Dave's biggest challenges going forward.

 

He'll be young enough to take the risk on a long term deal.

 

I'm usually one to caution making these deals, but this guy is special.

[Bellhorn04]

He'll be young enough to take the risk on a long term deal.

 

I'm usually one to caution making these deals, but this guy is special.

 

He sure is. But if we can't lock him up before free agency and it gets into an auction it's going to be tough.

 

Mookie said he's going to be paying a lot of attention to what Machado and Harper get.

[Slasher9]

$$$

he will not give a discount.

this will go to free agency unless DD blows him out of the water before.

[notin]

It's certainly one of Dave's biggest challenges going forward.

 

Especially if he intends to keep Sale.

[Bellhorn04]

We have 2 more offseasons in which to sign Mookie to an extension.

[Bellhorn04]

Especially if he intends to keep Sale.

 

Sale is an even tougher call. Great pitcher, major durability concerns.

[notin]

We have 2 more offseasons in which to sign Mookie to an extension.

 

And one more to make a decision about Sale, who is not as likely to sign a team-friendly deal this time around...

[notin]

Sale is an even tougher call. Great pitcher, major durability concerns.

 

Were I the GM, I would likely let him walk. He's very tough to replace, but, large market or not, financial resources are limited and I greatly prefer retaining Betts over Sale.

 

And the durability concerns are another very significant factor. Nothing ruins a pitcher more than pitching, and Sale just scares me out there with his freakish mechanics. Let someone else pay him heavily to sit on the DL...

[moonslav59]

He sure is. But if we can't lock him up before free agency and it gets into an auction it's going to be tough.

 

Mookie said he's going to be paying a lot of attention to what Machado and Harper get.

 

I bet (pun intended) he goes to free agency, and we sign him.

[sk7326]

Sale is an even tougher call. Great pitcher, major durability concerns.

 

The question is what Sale's durability concerns do to his market. Will someone really give him 6 years. Boston should have no qualms about offering a very lucrative, short-ish deal. (3 years, $100-$110M) There are some tax concerns - but they are Henry profitability concerns more than baseball ones.

[notin]

The question is what Sale's durability concerns do to his market. Will someone really give him 6 years. Boston should have no qualms about offering a very lucrative, short-ish deal. (3 years, $100-$110M) There are some tax concerns - but they are Henry profitability concerns more than baseball ones.

 

All it takes is one renegade GM to give him 4 or 5 years. and someone will give him that, even if they have to include an opt out clause...

[sk7326]

All it takes is one renegade GM to give him 4 or 5 years. and someone will give him that, even if they have to include an opt out clause...

 

I could see Boston offering a deal like that anyway - something which amounts to a 3 year guarantee with some vesting etc.

[notin]

I could see Boston offering a deal like that anyway - something which amounts to a 3 year guarantee with some vesting etc.

 

You think Sale, who will entering his age 31 season, and, by the time he reaches free agency, could easily have finished his eighth straight year with a top 6 Cy Young finish, is going to settle for a 3 year deal with the option to prove himself to get more years? Free agency is something ballplayers play their entire lives to achieve.

 

Sale and his agent will absolutely ask for more than 3 guaranteed years. And they will want to ability to end the deal sooner, not the chance to prove he has earned anything more...

[Slasher9]

I bet (pun intended) he goes to free agency, and we sign him.

 

that's a good bett. do we get hometown sale for sale or do we let him sail?

[notin]

that's a good bett. do we get hometown sale for sale or do we let him sail?

 

Just please no puns about Bogaerts...

[moonslav59]

You think Sale, who will entering his age 31 season, and, by the time he reaches free agency, could easily have finished his eighth straight year with a top 6 Cy Young finish, is going to settle for a 3 year deal with the option to prove himself to get more years? Free agency is something ballplayers play their entire lives to achieve.

 

Sale and his agent will absolutely ask for more than 3 guaranteed years. And they will want to ability to end the deal sooner, not the chance to prove he has earned anything more...

 

He will likely get 7+ years.

[moonslav59]

Just please no puns about Bogaerts...

 

Oh, Boogers!

[Bellhorn04]

Oh, Boogers!

 

You might want to delete that one.

[moonslav59]

You might want to delete that one.

 

I'm Humm- free!

[moonslav59]

May 3 Price 3.2 IP, 9 runs, 8 H+BB

June 23 Wright 3.1 IP, 10 ER, 12 H+BB

July 1 Price 3.1 IP, 8 ER, 9 H+BB

July 13 Porcello 2 IP, 8 ER, 11 H+BB

Aug. 10 Eovaldi 2.2 IP, 8 Runs, 12 H+BB

Aug. 24 Velazquez 2.2 IP, 8 ER, 11 H+BB

 

That's 6 amazingly horrible starts with 8 or more runs scored off the starter in less than 4 IP.

 

I wonder what our SP'er ERA would be without these 6 games.

 

[Bellhorn04]

May 3 Price 3.2 IP, 9 runs, 8 H+BB

June 23 Wright 3.1 IP, 10 ER, 12 H+BB

July 1 Price 3.1 IP, 8 ER, 9 H+BB

July 13 Porcello 2 IP, 8 ER, 11 H+BB

Aug. 10 Eovaldi 2.2 IP, 8 Runs, 12 H+BB

Aug. 24 Velazquez 2.2 IP, 8 ER, 11 H+BB

 

That's 6 amazingly horrible starts with 8 or more runs scored off the starter in less than 4 IP.

 

I wonder what our SP'er ERA would be without these 6 games.

 

 

Easy enough to figure out.