2018 Starting Rotation Mega Thread

[moonslav59]

If the court dropped the matter, what makes Manfred judge, jury and executioner?

 

The contract the player's signed.

 

Think of it like a civil court. OJ was found "innocent", but the civil court has a different set of criteria.

 

I'm not going to pretend I know what happened that day, but if Wright kept his wife from calling 911, even if it didn't take any physical abuse or force, Wright still deserves some sort of suspension, in my opinion.

[harmony]

If the court dropped the matter, what makes Manfred judge, jury and executioner?

The court has not dropped the matter. The matter has been "retired." According to a Tennessee attorney:

Retirement, which is basically putting your case off for a period of time to determine if any other violent behavior will occur. A retirement always comes with conditions such as drug or alcohol counseling, batterer's intervention program, monetary contribution to Bridges Shelter of Williamson County, and any other conditions that the Assistant District Attorney may feel is necessary given the circumstances of your case. If completed successfully, the case is dismissed after the retirement period and does not go on your record.

https://www.mckinneylawfirm.com/Articles/Arrested-for-Domestic-Assault-in-Franklin-or-Brentwood-Tennessee.shtml

 

Employers discipline employees all the time for behaviors that do not rise to the level of a crime.

[mvp 78]

Bogus in the fact that he never laid a hand on his wife and somehow comes under the "domestic violence" policy of MLB. Chapman fires off eight rounds, chokes his girlfriend and slams her against a wall and only gets thirty days. Manfred is a tool, dispensing judgement seemingly on a whim.

 

Bogus as in we don't know what actually happened and MLB officials probably do. All domestic violence should be punished. Wright needs to own it and be better. His "I never hit her tho" crap shows to me that he doesn't get it.

[mvp 78]

If the court dropped the matter, what makes Manfred judge, jury and executioner?

 

That's literally his job.

[mvp 78]

Wow. Again we have to argue about what happened with Wright?

 

Carbo has a valid point.

 

Talking about this topic again after we discussed it for days several months ago.

 

It is what it is now and the Sox have to deal with it.

 

No he doesn't.

[Kimmi]

Ok for clarification purposes only - Are you saying simply that you just like Cherington more than you do Dombrowski or that you think that Cherington was actually a better GM than DD?

As for the chumming comment, i was trying to be a little humorous. I should know better right.

 

I don't know if I would say Cherington was a better GM, but I am more impressed with his body of work than I am with Dombrowski's. Yes, Dombrowski has given us a very good team for the past 3 years, but honestly, most of the work that has gone into the current team was done by Ben (and Theo). Dombrowski is just reaping the benefits.

[cp176]

I don't know if I would say Cherington was a better GM, but I am more impressed with his body of work than I am with Dombrowski's. Yes, Dombrowski has given us a very good team for the past 3 years, but honestly, most of the work that has gone into the current team was done by Ben (and Theo). Dombrowski is just reaping the benefits.

 

ok - obviously I don't agree with you.

[S5Dewey]

Bogus as in we don't know what actually happened and MLB officials probably do. All domestic violence should be punished. Wright needs to own it and be better. His "I never hit her tho" crap shows to me that he doesn't get it.

 

I agree with the first part of your post - that we don't know what actually happened. The only two people who do are Wright and his wife. From there it becomes a he-said, she-said and MLB has chosen who they want to believe.

It does appear that when comparing what Chapman allegedly did with what Wright allegedly did Wright's penalty is comparatively excessive.

[harmony]

I agree with the first part of your post - that we don't know what actually happened. The only two people who do are Wright and his wife. From there it becomes a he-said, she-said and MLB has chosen who they want to believe.

It does appear that when comparing what Chapman allegedly did with what Wright allegedly did Wright's penalty is comparatively excessive.

The Aroldis Chapman matter was filled with he-said, she-said as well:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/09/sports/baseball/aroldis-chapman-says-hes-happy-and-anxious-about-helping-the-team.html

 

I wonder where Steven Wright's two children were when Wright and his wife had their incident. I have no idea how old the children are, but they may have information about their parents' relationship. Regardless of physical contact, discord in the home can impact children.

 

Last month I missed this Boston Globe piece that gave Wright's side of the story:

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/02/14/red-sox-pitcher-steven-wright-tells-his-side-domestic-incident/SGFhGYN5m51oVgMyoRIXFM/story.html

 

Of course, that's one side of the story.

[mvp 78]

15 games is light imo.

[Natick to NC]

15 games is light imo.

 

With MVP on this 15 games is light ...expected atleast 25 to 30 .

[S5Dewey]

15 games is light imo.

 

That's a matter of opinion, but MLB set the baseline with Chapman's penalty. IMO what Chapman reportedly did is more than 2x as egregious as what Wright reportedly did.

[harmony]

15 games is light imo.

 

Without knowing all the information it's hard to say.

 

Major League Baseball handed down a punishment that may have been mitigated by the report that Steven Wright agreed to counseling and other conditions of the "retirement" of his criminal charges.

[jacksonianmarch]

What’s done is done. With the DL stint, he’s out for April. If things shake out well for you guys, you won’t need him. Does he have options remaining? You’d almost be better off optioning him and keeping him stretched out. I know rules are different with knuckleballers, but IIRC, he throws his pretty hard. Hence, he’ll need to be worked up to handle a start rather than Wake who could just throw til the cows came home

[Bellhorn04]

I don't know if I would say Cherington was a better GM, but I am more impressed with his body of work than I am with Dombrowski's. Yes, Dombrowski has given us a very good team for the past 3 years, but honestly, most of the work that has gone into the current team was done by Ben (and Theo). Dombrowski is just reaping the benefits.

 

By the same token one could easily argue that all Ben did was reap the benefits of what was left to him by Theo.

 

But it's not really fair to say that, about Ben or about Dombrowski either. Regardless of what was left to them, they each had to make their own moves.

[Bellhorn04]

15 games is light imo.

 

Now why, exactly, do you say that?

[cp176]

By the same token one could easily argue that all Ben did was reap the benefits of what was left to him by Theo.

 

But it's not really fair to say that, about Ben or about Dombrowski either. Regardless of what was left to them, they each had to make their own moves.

 

Exactly - It is why as a Red Sox fan, I am on the side of the current GM no matter who it might be. I admit though that I have gotten caught up in this discussion but it is primarily due to the fact that I don't understand the personal likes and dislikes that people have here about Boston's GMs in general. If I was on the inside, I probably would have some personal feelings but I am not so I really don't.

[S5Dewey]

Exactly - It is why as a Red Sox fan, I am on the side of the current GM no matter who it might be. I admit though that I have gotten caught up in this discussion but it is primarily due to the fact that I don't understand the personal likes and dislikes that people have here about Boston's GMs in general. If I was on the inside, I probably would have some personal feelings but I am not so I really don't.

 

Exactly. Short anecdote:

I was in a card shop in Colorado some years ago where some teenagers were saying that they 'didn't like' some certain players.

The man who ran the shop then said told them that he likes to reserve judgement on that until he's actually met them.

[moonslav59]

By the same token one could easily argue that all Ben did was reap the benefits of what was left to him by Theo.

 

But it's not really fair to say that, about Ben or about Dombrowski either. Regardless of what was left to them, they each had to make their own moves.

 

Theo was left a pretty decent base as well.

[mvp 78]

Now why, exactly, do you say that?

 

Because I'd punish DV more harshly.

[notin]

FWIW here's the story from this year

 

http://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/boston-red-sox-having-difficulty-attracting-additional-pitching-depth

 

That "story" barely says anything. Between the two of us, we covered all his points in 3 posts. Maybe two...

[Bellhorn04]

Because I'd punish DV more harshly.

 

It's just that there are so many degrees of DV and so many variances in the amount of evidence of what actually occurred.

[notin]

Bogus in the fact that he never laid a hand on his wife and somehow comes under the "domestic violence" policy of MLB. Chapman fires off eight rounds, chokes his girlfriend and slams her against a wall and only gets thirty days. Manfred is a tool, dispensing judgement seemingly on a whim.

 

Maybe he never laid a hand on her, but maybe not. But MLB can't ignore any accusation on a subject this serious.

[mvp 78]

It's just that there are so many degrees of DV and so many variances in the amount of evidence of what actually occurred.

 

So far, the only story that has appeared in the media is Steven's. I'm not sure any actual evidence has been presented in the Boston Globe (paper owned by the Sox) or anywhere else. Do I think Chapman got off light? Yup. I think Wright did as well. MLB needs to make a statement by not allowing this type of behavior.

[mvp 78]

Maybe he never laid a hand on her, but maybe not. But MLB can't ignore any accusation on a subject this serious.

 

Even if he didn't lay a hand on her, it can still be domestic violence. What if he just grabbed his wife's phone, called her some awful names and smashed the phone to pieces? What if the kids were there to witness it? That's pretty f***ing bad. You can assault someone without actually hitting them (physical threats, intimidation, holding an object that could be a weapon).

 

Saying "well I didn't hit her" isn't an excuse.

[notin]

So far, the only story that has appeared in the media is Steven's. I'm not sure any actual evidence has been presented in the Boston Globe (paper owned by the Sox) or anywhere else. Do I think Chapman got off light? Yup. I think Wright did as well. MLB needs to make a statement by not allowing this type of behavior.

 

True.

 

Wright's suspension is proportionally smaller than the controversial original two games received by Ray Rice. (Granted, Rice left far, far more proof behind him.)

[notin]

Even if he didn't lay a hand on her, it can still be domestic violence. What if he just grabbed his wife's phone, called her some awful names and smashed the phone to pieces? What if the kids were there to witness it? That's pretty f***ing bad. You can assault someone without actually hitting them (physical threats, intimidation, holding an object that could be a weapon).

 

Saying "well I didn't hit her" isn't an excuse.

 

Here's what bothers me.

 

If Wright had been accused of using PED with no more evidence than rumors on an online article, people would be condemning him, supporting his suspension, accepting his release or DFA. And that behavior (PED usage) doesn't hurt anyone except Wright himself (maybe).

 

why are we harsher on PED usage than domestic violence? This is not directed at any individual, but on us all as baseball fans as a whole. With DV, we want proof and knowledge of the incident. With PEDs, we're more than ok with rumors leading to suspensions and bans...

[mvp 78]

True.

 

Wright's suspension is proportionally smaller than the controversial original two games received by Ray Rice. (Granted, Rice left far, far more proof behind him.)

 

MLB would be better served to over punish guys than face a backlash like what happened with Ray Rice.

 

"Hey, why did you suspend Player A for 30 days? That's too harsh!"

 

"Well, we don't condone DV no matter what. We believe baseball is America's past time and don't want it to be an ethical dilemna when trying to purchase a ticket or turn the game on."

[Bellhorn04]

Here's what bothers me.

 

If Wright had been accused of using PED with no more evidence than rumors on an online article, people would be condemning him, supporting his suspension, accepting his release or DFA. And that behavior (PED usage) doesn't hurt anyone except Wright himself (maybe).

 

why are we harsher on PED usage than domestic violence? This is not directed at any individual, but on us all as baseball fans as a whole. With DV, we want proof and knowledge of the incident. With PEDs, we're more than ok with rumors leading to suspensions and bans...

 

I would hope that whether it was PED's or DV, rumors alone would carry the same weight or lack thereof.

 

And what PED suspensions have been issued based only on rumors?

[moonslav59]

True.

 

Wright's suspension is proportionally smaller than the controversial original two games received by Ray Rice. (Granted, Rice left far, far more proof behind him.)

 

Isn't 2/16 pretty close to 15/162?