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[notin]

My intuition tells me it's all about #3. Well, that and the quotes about Cora. Henry: "Love."; Werner: "Love!", Kennedy: "LOVE!"

 

Bloom: "All the reasons we parted ways with him then are still the case."

 

Reasons, as in plural?

 

While we all liked to hold Cora respnsible for restgate, I have no idea how Henry felt. And I do doubt he would have been let Cora go just for finishing third.

 

But Bloom wanting his name on everything? I can see that happening. No team executive wants to lose based on a decision made by his predecessor...

[Bellhorn04]

My intuition tells me it's all about #3. Well, that and the quotes about Cora. Henry: "Love."; Werner: "Love!", Kennedy: "LOVE!"

 

Bloom: "All the reasons we parted ways with him then are still the case."

 

Reasons, as in plural?

 

That quote is 100% accurate. But here is the entirety of it:

 

"At the time that we parted ways with Alex, we were clear that that was a result of his role and what happened with the Astros and everything the investigation over there revealed," Bloom said. "It had nothing to do with what may or may not have occurred in Boston, and that's still the case. All the reasons we parted ways then are still the case."

 

The meaning of that last sentence in the context of the whole thing is ambiguous, perhaps.

[notin]

It's unprecedented, yes. But not being able to think of a reason for this happening is strange.

 

Why? What reason should Bloom have to bring Cora back?

[Bellhorn04]

While we all liked to hold Cora respnsible for restgate, I have no idea how Henry felt. And I do doubt he would have been let Cora go just for finishing third.

 

But Bloom wanting his name on everything? I can see that happening. No team executive wants to lose based on a decision made by his predecessor...

 

Did Dombrowski replace Farrell right away? Nope.

[Bellhorn04]

Why? What reason should Bloom have to bring Cora back?

 

You're being kind of silly. Because he thinks Cora is a good manager and a good fit and he's available?

[notin]

Did Dombrowski replace Farrell right away? Nope.

 

No he did not. But that doesn't mean it never happens.

 

Had Farrell been suspended for a year at the beginning of Dombrowski's tenure, it might have been a different story about when Farrell left...

[Bellhorn04]

No he did not. But that doesn't mean it never happens.

 

Had Farrell been suspended for a year at the beginning of Dombrowski's tenure, it might have been a different story about when Farrell left...

 

Oh, that's a dandy hypothetical.

[notin]

You're being kind of silly. Because he thinks Cora is a good manager and a good fit and he's available?

 

HE is, but that doesm't mean Roenicke isn't and it doesn't mean Bloom wants him.

 

The Red Sox did not have to fire him in the wake of the Houston scandal. But they did, and they did so immediately, not even waiting for an investigation. Doesn't that seem odd? (Beltran had the same fate, but unlike Cora, Beltran had zero track record and zero rings. Easier dismissal.)

[notin]

Oh, that's a dandy hypothetical.

 

It was a completely insufficient and irrelevant thing to bring up...

[Bellhorn04]

HE is, but that doesm't mean Roenicke isn't and it doesn't mean Bloom wants him.

 

The Red Sox did not have to fire him in the wake of the Houston scandal. But they did, and they did so immediately, not even waiting for an investigation. Doesn't that seem odd? (Beltran had the same fate, but unlike Cora, Beltran had zero track record and zero rings. Easier dismissal.)

 

It doesn't seem odd to me.

 

-They had no idea at the time what would come out of the Red Sox investigation or how long it would take. But they were reasonably assured Cora was out for one season at least.

-They were taking a lot of heat from the media saying that firing him was the right thing to do.

-They needed to move on with their plans for 2020.

-Maybe they also thought they had nothing to lose, in a sense, because they could re-hire Cora later if he was only gone a year.

 

If they had installed Mike Scioscia or whoever as the new manager, it would be pretty obvious they were totally cutting ties. But the choice of Roenicke seems to really leave the door open.

[notin]

It doesn't seem odd to me.

 

-They had no idea at the time what would come out of the Red Sox investigation or how long it would take. But they were reasonably assured Cora was out for one season at least.

-They were taking a lot of heat from the media saying that firing him was the right thing to do.

-They needed to move on with their plans for 2020.

-Maybe they also thought they had nothing to lose, in a sense, because they could re-hire Cora later if he was only gone a year.

 

If they had installed Mike Scioscia or whoever as the new manager, it would be pretty obvious they were totally cutting ties. But the choice of Roenicke seems to really leave the door open.

 

Maybe.

 

The one thing tht puzzles me is why it took so long to install Roenicke if tha wa the plan. I'm talking about the time it took just to make him interim manager. If they were going forward with 2020, as you say, they certainly took a long time just to come around to promoting the bench coach to temporary replacement.

 

I can't say one way or the other on Cora, but I don't think his return is the slam dunk you are predicting. In fact, after this year, Cora is free to talk to any team about a managerial role. Had the Sox not fired him, they could have prevented that possibility...

[notin]

But I do thank god they did not install Scioscia. And so does Brandon Workman, who would have seen his arm literally fall off of his body under the Closer Killer...

[Bellhorn04]

I can't say one way or the other on Cora, but I don't think his return is the slam dunk you are predicting.

 

No, it's not a slam dunk. People who make predictions on message boards, with nothing at stake, tend to be very confident in their crystal ball abilities.

[notin]

No, it's not a slam dunk. People who make predictions on message boards, with nothing at stake, tend to be very confident in their crystal ball abilities.

 

Those exact words were engraved on a tin plate on the underside of the WAPM...

[Kimmi]

But I do thank god they did not install Scioscia. And so does Brandon Workman, who would have seen his arm literally fall off of his body under the Closer Killer...

 

Amen, brother.

[Kimmi]

But Cora raised a good point on Twitter Friday night in response to a user who told him his “managing days are over."

 

"Maybe I want to do something else," Cora replied.

 

Bloom and Cora are playing it cool.

 

I bet Cora comes back next season.

[dgalehouse]

The Cora story is far from finished. He obviously did something wrong . He is paying the penalty now . As far as his effectiveness as a manager ; He had a really great team and he handled it well and won a championship without really working up a sweat . The next year he ran into adversity and really had no answers , at least not until it was too late . So , the results are mixed . My feeling is that he deserves another chance , and almost certainly will manage again next year . And it very well could be back in Boston.

[Elktonnick]

The Cora story is far from finished. He obviously did something wrong . He is paying the penalty now . As far as his effectiveness as a manager ; He had a really great team and he handled it well and won a championship without really working up a sweat . The next year he ran into adversity and really had no answers , at least not until it was too late . So , the results are mixed . My feeling is that he deserves another chance , and almost certainly will manage again next year . And it very well could be back in Boston.

My hunch is that he will sign with another team. I suspect both he and Boston will want to move on, too much baggage. Moreover I suspect that he will go to the highest bidder and that won't be Boston.

[Kimmi]

The Cora story is far from finished. He obviously did something wrong . He is paying the penalty now . As far as his effectiveness as a manager ; He had a really great team and he handled it well and won a championship without really working up a sweat . The next year he ran into adversity and really had no answers , at least not until it was too late . So , the results are mixed . My feeling is that he deserves another chance , and almost certainly will manage again next year . And it very well could be back in Boston.

 

He absolutely deserves another chance. I hope it is with Boston.

[Elktonnick]

He absolutely deserves another chance. I hope it is with Boston.

 

Cora reportedly said recently that he may not wish to return to managing after his suspension but would rather wish to try other things. While this could be a negotiating ploy, my intuition tells me Cora is certainly in no hurry to return to the Red Sox.

[Kimmi]

Cora reportedly said recently that he may not wish to return to managing after his suspension but would rather wish to try other things. While this could be a negotiating ploy, my intuition tells me Cora is certainly in no hurry to return to the Red Sox.

 

None of us knows for sure what will end up happening with Cora, but my gut feeling tells me that he would be happy to return to Boston, and that he would return even if Boston is not the highest bidder.

[Elktonnick]

None of us knows for sure what will end up happening with Cora, but my gut feeling tells me that he would be happy to return to Boston, and that he would return even if Boston is not the highest bidder.

Just read newspaper article in New York Post quoting both Bloom and Cora which makes it appear highly unlikely that Cora will be returning to Boston.

[Bellhorn04]

Just read newspaper article in New York Post quoting both Bloom and Cora which makes it appear highly unlikely that Cora will be returning to Boston.

 

There's absolutely no new information in that article, just a regurgitation of the quotes we've already read.

[Bellhorn04]

I think it all comes down to Bloom. If he want Cora, it's a done deal. But he might be a little leery about the baggage factor and want a clean start.

[mvp 78]

I think it all comes down to Bloom. If he want Cora, it's a done deal. But he might be a little leery about the baggage factor and want a clean start.

 

IMO, they aren't going to act like they want Cora back while Roenicke is the manager. They'll wait until after this season because they won't want to undermine him.

[Elktonnick]

IMO, they aren't going to act like they want Cora back while Roenicke is the manager. They'll wait until after this season because they won't want to undermine him.

 

That makes sense but from the Red Sox point of view but I feel Cora will be in no hurry to return to Boston. Cora had a good rapport with DD. Bloom is a different personality entirely. If I am Cora I am thinking that my services are going to be in demand elsewhere. Furthermore Cora knows the Red Sox situation as well as anyone. I suspect he feels he can hatch on to a team with better prospects in the near term than Boston without the pressure of the Boston market. I will be very surprised if Cora returns to Boston after his suspension. If he returns to managing, it will be someplace else first.

[mvp 78]

That makes sense but from the Red Sox point of view but I feel Cora will be in no hurry to return to Boston. Cora had a good rapport with DD. Bloom is a different personality entirely. If I am Cora I am thinking that my services are going to be in demand elsewhere. Furthermore Cora knows the Red Sox situation as well as anyone. I suspect he feels he can hatch on to a team with better prospects in the near term than Boston without the pressure of the Boston market. I will be very surprised if Cora returns to Boston after his suspension. If he returns to managing, it will be someplace else first.

 

The Sox have a recent history of being able to turn around their prospects really quickly. 2012 to 2013. 2015 to 2016 - 2018.

[Elktonnick]

The Sox have a recent history of being able to turn around their prospects really quickly. 2012 to 2013. 2015 to 2016 - 2018.

 

Alex Trabek mentions the 3 p's of buying life insurance on the commercials well the same is true in baseball, pitching, pitching and pitching.

[Kimmi]

IMO, they aren't going to act like they want Cora back while Roenicke is the manager. They'll wait until after this season because they won't want to undermine him.

 

^^This.

[Kimmi]

That makes sense but from the Red Sox point of view but I feel Cora will be in no hurry to return to Boston. Cora had a good rapport with DD. Bloom is a different personality entirely. If I am Cora I am thinking that my services are going to be in demand elsewhere. Furthermore Cora knows the Red Sox situation as well as anyone. I suspect he feels he can hatch on to a team with better prospects in the near term than Boston without the pressure of the Boston market. I will be very surprised if Cora returns to Boston after his suspension. If he returns to managing, it will be someplace else first.

 

Cora had a good rapport with his players too. And what makes you think that Cora doesn't have a good rapport with Bloom? Cora and Bloom are more alike than Cora and Dombrowski are.