If Judge was on the Red Sox

[notin]

The most natural power of anybody in baseball??? He is one of the biggest guys I guess and certainly has a lot of natural power but how are you going prove that one statistically speaking. Sounds like your opinion to me. I might agree with you but I might not. Seems like there is likely someone out there who is at least as strong if not stronger. I appreciate a loyal fan though but you of all people should know that if you can't quantify it it likely won't be believed.

 

You have to bear in mind jackson has a little bit of a man crush on Judge...

[cp176]

You have to bear in mind jackson has a little bit of a man crush on Judge...

 

Oh I understand that so well. Too well me thinks.

[jacksonianmarch]

Did you watch the HR derby?

[notin]

Did you watch the HR derby?

 

Yes. But unlike you my nipples remained unperked...

[cp176]

Did you watch the HR derby?

 

Ya - that was nice - I'm going to guess - just my opinion - he ain't the toughest hombre in town just yet. Got to give him a little more time.

[cp176]

Yes. But unlike you my nipples remained unperked...

 

 

lol good one - unperked nips - Even Spud has to like this one!

[jacksonianmarch]

He was hammering balls over 500 feet on the regular. It’s a garbage argument on your behalf. All the players were talking about his ridiculous power. It’s special, it isn’t changing. He’s going to be a perennial 40 HR guy. The question is whether he’ll maintain an average high enough to be a great player or will he end up an Adam Dunn type. I think he’ll be far better than the very good Adam Dunn

[cp176]

You are talking garbage arguement but yet you use a player like Adam Dunn to use as his yardstick. Where did you get that degree from really doc? Now I realize that you will probably now tell me what a genius you are but sorry I'm not biting. Good try though. Do you really post on a Yankees forum? Hey maybe you are our insider.

[jacksonianmarch]

Logic escapes you child

[cp176]

Logic escapes you child

 

thank you so sir for giving me your concern - remember though I have never claimed to be very bright.

[SCM33]

He was so bad at one point after the break, they were talking about sending him down. I’d say there is definitely a chance he regresses to one of those 3 I listed.

 

You guys talk like he has a sample size to go with, but there isn’t. He was really good 1st half, really bad for a stretch, and finished somewhere in between.

 

I think that’s where he is, somewhere in between. Certainly not 52 HR good. He will be in the 30-40 range, and his average/onbase/sluggin numbers will come down.

[cp176]

He was so bad at one point after the break, they were talking about sending him down. I’d say there is definitely a chance he regresses to one of those 3 I listed.

 

You guys talk like he has a sample size to go with, but there isn’t. He was really good 1st half, really bad for a stretch, and finished somewhere in between.

 

I think that’s where he is, somewhere in between. Certainly not 52 HR good. He will be in the 30-40 range, and his average/onbase/sluggin numbers will come down.

 

He might be very good going forward. I do wish that we had him. I just couldn't let a devoted Yankee fan have all of the fun no matter how intelligent he wants to make me think he is. That crap really doesn't fly with old school, Scottish, New Englanders. I agree with you on this - as good as this kid looked this year, I think that i will temper my future HOF considerations for him. In fairness, I'll do the same for Benintendi and Devers. They really haven't proven a whole helluva lot just yet.

[SCM33]

He might be very good going forward. I do wish that we had him. I just couldn't let a devoted Yankee fan have all of the fun no matter how intelligent he wants to make me think he is. That crap really doesn't fly with old school, Scottish, New Englanders. I agree with you on this - as good as this kid looked this year, I think that i will temper my future HOF considerations for him. In fairness, I'll do the same for Benintendi and Devers. They really haven't proven a whole helluva lot just yet.

 

I am not unbiased, if he is this years version, or the "in-between" version you quoted.....Obviously I am not blind enough to want him. My fear, if I am a Yankees fan......is that he is neither. That he becomes Russell Branyan.

[jacksonianmarch]

Russell Branyan? Wow

[Slasher9]

He was hammering balls over 500 feet on the regular. It’s a garbage argument on your behalf. All the players were talking about his ridiculous power. It’s special, it isn’t changing.

 

as long as he continues to attend the Yankees clinics in Miami he will be good to go until his body finally gives out from all the extra "protein"....

[notin]

Russell Branyan seems like a stretch. Adam Dunn is more likely than many Yankee fans like to admit...

[sk7326]

Russell Branyan seems like a stretch. Adam Dunn is more likely than many Yankee fans like to admit...

 

Adam Dunn (on offense) with an adequate RF glove = one hell of a valuable player

[jacksonianmarch]

Adam Dunn (on offense) with an adequate RF glove = one hell of a valuable player

 

Exactly. Judge had a positive UZR and was effectively an average RFer last year. Plus, fangraphs had him as a slightly above average baserunner. Dunn was a plodding defensive and baserunning nightmare.

[jacksonianmarch]

The amazing thing to me is that Judge bashers probably thought the same thing about Stanton when he came up. You do know that Judge had more walks than Giancarlo by almost the same amount of strikeouts that he had more than Giancarlo? Judge walked 42 more times than Stanton and struck out 45 more times. But no, he will be Russell Branyan. LOL

[SCM33]

Russell Branyan? Wow

 

Maybe I didn't explain it clearly.

 

Im not saying thats what he would become, I said that his approach is simiar to him, Sexson and Dunn.

 

I would love Judge in a Sox uniform, if I am a Yankees fan though, I would just be nervous that he could not repeat and fell to the level of a Branyan rather than a Dunn.

[jacksonianmarch]

I see now. My apologies.

 

I don't think he has the same approach, but I could see why you would think that. Branyan tried to hit every ball he ever saw into the RF seats. Dunn was also pretty consistently dead pull. Sexson had a really nice run for awhile and while he did pull a lot, he used CF a lot too. He had a 5 year run where he averaged over .900OPS and 30+HR a year. The thing with Richie and one limiting concern I have for Judge is both guys were so tall that the reaper came a bit early. Sexson had his last .900+OPS season at 31, his last 30HR season at 32. It's possible we see the same drop off. If someone would tell me hey, Judge is looking at a 7 year prime of Richie Sexson, I take that in a heartbeat. I think he can do more personally just because his rookie year absolutely demolishes anything Richie ever did, but I see the comparison. Judge also uses CF and to a larger extent RF very, very well. Judge and the Yankees is a match made in heaven in terms of park. If he gets it, no park holds it, but if he mis hits it to RF, it is probably going out anway.

 

Personally, I think Judge has 60+HR potential and I would love to see him and Giancarlo do their thing in the same lineup

[SCM33]

I see now. My apologies.

 

I don't think he has the same approach, but I could see why you would think that. Branyan tried to hit every ball he ever saw into the RF seats. Dunn was also pretty consistently dead pull. Sexson had a really nice run for awhile and while he did pull a lot, he used CF a lot too. He had a 5 year run where he averaged over .900OPS and 30+HR a year. The thing with Richie and one limiting concern I have for Judge is both guys were so tall that the reaper came a bit early. Sexson had his last .900+OPS season at 31, his last 30HR season at 32. It's possible we see the same drop off. If someone would tell me hey, Judge is looking at a 7 year prime of Richie Sexson, I take that in a heartbeat. I think he can do more personally just because his rookie year absolutely demolishes anything Richie ever did, but I see the comparison. Judge also uses CF and to a larger extent RF very, very well. Judge and the Yankees is a match made in heaven in terms of park. If he gets it, no park holds it, but if he mis hits it to RF, it is probably going out anway.

 

Personally, I think Judge has 60+HR potential and I would love to see him and Giancarlo do their thing in the same lineup

 

Sexson was pretty underrated IMO, where Dunn was overrated. Id actually take Sexson over Dunn.

 

I think 60+ potential is quite high, especially with the longball numbers over the last 10 or so years. This year was the first year in a while that the ball soared (which is also very sad, because EVERYONE on the Redsox struggled to hit HR's)

 

That being said, Judge at least tries to be a more complete hitter than those guys, but the hole in his swing leads me to believe he might be a better hitter if he concentrated at (gasp) not using the whole field. Obviously he is a much better athlete than those other guys.

[jacksonianmarch]

When Judge was at his best, he was taking the ball down and away and putting it into the short porch in RF. He goes to the HR derby and afterwards, he is pulling off of EVERYTHING. It took until the last month of the season to see him hit the ball the other way with authority. Judge is a rare breed. We don't see a lot of HR hitters these days using the whole field, and prior to the ASB, actually preferring to hit the ball the other way. If Judge goes into an all or nothing approach and becomes dead pull, he will hit .220 with 30HR. If he continues his middle first approach, he has a chance to hit for a good average and honestly hit 50+ HRs consistently. Every time he tries to pull the ball, he becomes real easy to strike out

[SCM33]

When Judge was at his best, he was taking the ball down and away and putting it into the short porch in RF. He goes to the HR derby and afterwards, he is pulling off of EVERYTHING. It took until the last month of the season to see him hit the ball the other way with authority. Judge is a rare breed. We don't see a lot of HR hitters these days using the whole field, and prior to the ASB, actually preferring to hit the ball the other way. If Judge goes into an all or nothing approach and becomes dead pull, he will hit .220 with 30HR. If he continues his middle first approach, he has a chance to hit for a good average and honestly hit 50+ HRs consistently. Every time he tries to pull the ball, he becomes real easy to strike out

 

You would know better than me since you watch him. I will follow him closer this year. I didn't get a chance to watch a whole lot of baseball the last couple of years.

[vjcsmoke]

I feel like it is more likely that today's MLB baseball is juiced to increase the homerun rate.

 

Ever since the steroid era of baseball so many athletes were disgraced I don't think anybody would risk getting caught 'juicing' anymore.

[S5Dewey]

I feel like it is more likely that today's MLB baseball is juiced to increase the homerun rate.

 

Ever since the steroid era of baseball so many athletes were disgraced I don't think anybody would risk getting caught 'juicing' anymore.

 

Again going back to my recent experience with the Sox announcers, they were asked whether the ball is juiced. Dave O'Brian said there's no doubt in his mind the ball is "different than it used to be".

 

According to O'B, MLB uses a different ball for the Home Run Derby than they do for games (no surprise) and "I wonder if they used the same balls for the World Series". I got the feeling he wasn't completely serious about that, but still.... He also said, "When Justin Verlander says that the balls are a little smaller and feel a little harder there's something going on".

[jacksonianmarch]

It sounds like the MLB ball has flatter seams. This means more direct contact to the baseball core and also less spin generated for pitches. Raised seams = wicked breaking balls

[S5Dewey]

IIRC the NCAA went to that flatter seamed ball in an attempt to negate the effect the "BBCor" bats had on the flight distance of the ball and it worked. The flatter seams mean less wind resistance while the ball is in flight and at the same time maintaining the slower exit speed off the bat.

 

Maybe MLB has caught on and they're using the same ball but with the wooden bats.

[mvp 78]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-juiced-balls-the-new-steroids/

[TylerD]

You have to bear in mind jackson has a little bit of a man crush on Judge...

 

Can't say I blame him lol. He plays on our rival and I like the guy. Heck of a player..... I had a dream the other night he was playing for Boston actually..... odd.....