9/13 Athletic Plays

[Maxbialystock]

Am I missing something. You think there was a good reason for Pedey to try to score?

 

Absolutely. HanRam was on deck. When he came to bat the next inning, he struck out foolishly in 4 pitches, which is exacty what he would have done if Pedey had stayed on 3b and Moreland's grounder to 1b only been the 2d out. HanRam has been uniformly bad with men on base this year, which is why he has the most dingers and 2 fewer rbi's than pedey, who has played in 20 fewer games.

[d-money]

The f***ing pitching has been awful today. Forget about the comeback

[Maxbialystock]

I’m not upset at Fister. This is who he is. He’s just a mixed bag.

 

Wow. You sound like you want him to be lousy to confirm your low opinion. And you ignore the simple fact that in the last 6 weeks he has been easily our best starter--including Sale.

[d-money]

Wow. You sound like you want him to be lousy to confirm your low opinion. And you ignore the simple fact that in the last 6 weeks he has been easily our best starter. He may indeed be coming back to earth as you so earnestly desire, but I kind of like that his 6 of 8 quality starts (including tonight--one of the two non-quality startys) are the best among our rotation, including Sale.

 

He has been great no doubt these are the game when your pitching has to keep stepping up. He put us in a hole immediately.

[d-money]

Well the suspense to this game has died thanks to hembree.

[Maxbialystock]

Another easy out on a first pitch swing. This one at least a fastball, but Betts popped out to 1b.

[SoxHop]

Damn Moreland..... could have used that earlier...

[Maxbialystock]

He has been great no doubt these are the game when your pitching has to keep stepping up. He put us in a hole immediately.

 

No question these games are big, all of them. Are you also saying the games from July 31 to now ain't no big deal even though that is when the Sox leapt into first place and kept it? My gosh, he had two high quality starts in his last two starts--in September-- when we really needed them, and you want to say he ain't manning up? jeez.

Edited September 14, 2017 by Maxbialystock

[SoxHop]

Absolutely. HanRam was on deck. When he came to bat the next inning, he struck out foolishly in 4 pitches, which is exacty what he would have done if Pedey had stayed on 3b and Moreland's grounder to 1b only been the 2d out. HanRam has been uniformly bad with men on base this year, which is why he has the most dingers and 2 fewer rbi's than pedey, who has played in 20 fewer games.

 

No way....... I don't think that would have happened if Pedey stayed on 3rd.

 

And yea..... Hanley hasn't done so well with RISP this year.

[Maxbialystock]

No way....... I don't think that would have happened if Pedey stayed on 3rd.

 

And yea..... Hanley hasn't done so well with RISP this year.

 

Ah, yes, the old argument--our guys are so weak on the fundamentals this year, including dummies like Pedey who just can't focus. Boneheaded running at its worse because of course HanRam was going to get a hit despite all compelling evidence to the contrary--like in 2 at bats vs. Cotton he popped up and struck out. For shame, Pedey. Don't you know you have a bad knee and you're 33 and pretty much over the hill?

Edited September 14, 2017 by Maxbialystock

[Station 13]

We lack some clutch hits tonight, that would take us right back into this game.

[mvp 78]

Wow. You sound like you want him to be lousy to confirm your low opinion. And you ignore the simple fact that in the last 6 weeks he has been easily our best starter--including Sale.

 

He's not a guy you can count on every start.

[SoxHop]

Ah, yes, the old argument--our guys are so weak on the fundamentals this year, including dummies like Pedey who just can't focus. Boneheaded running at its worse because of course HanRam was going to get a hit despite all compelling evidence to the contrary--like in 2 at bats vs. Cotton he popped up and struck out. For shame, Pedey. Don't you know you have a bad knee and you're 33 and pretty much over the hill?

 

I'm pretty sure Farrell wanted him to run. Probably Butters also.

 

Sometimes, aggressive running doesn't work out. I mean what if he runs like that in the playoffs.....

[Maxbialystock]

He's not a guy you can count on every start.

 

Really? And just who is? Is you say Sale, I will of course say you're right season to date, but then will hastily add he ain't exactly been Mr. September in the past and has in fact been out-started by Fister from July 31 to now. Do I need to also go through how Pom, ERod, and Porcello have been since July 31--again?

[oldtimer]

I'm pretty sure Farrell wanted him to run. Probably Butters also.

 

Sometimes, aggressive running doesn't work out. I mean what if he runs like that in the playoffs.....

 

The first baseman could have come to home and with a return to first it would have been a double play anyway. It was made easy by the grounder right near the bag.

 

Anyhow, the Red Sox tonight have been bad with runners in scoring position. That often is their mO. They miss Nunez's bat in the lineup and Mookie's big night last night is not being repeated in any way. Game is on rain delay and it may be over if the rain continues. To me, the team looked shaky tonight including manager decisions, the pitching and the hitting. Need to win these games when we go against a rookie at home.

[Maxbialystock]

I'm pretty sure Farrell wanted him to run. Probably Butters also.

 

Sometimes, aggressive running doesn't work out. I mean what if he runs like that in the playoffs.....

 

I honestly hope he does because that firstbaseman made a really good play to get him and Moreland going to 1b. And I also apologize for being a smartass. Game thread opinions are bound to differ.

[NativeBostonian]

Wow. You sound like you want him to be lousy to confirm your low opinion. And you ignore the simple fact that in the last 6 weeks he has been easily our best starter--including Sale.

 

I wouldn't say I have a low opinion on him. He's done well in the last 4 games. But, I do have a realistic expectation of him. He's someone who can give you good games. But, he's also someone who can s*** the bed. He's a .500 pitcher, who's highest expectations should be a decent number 5. The fact that people are saying he is the second best pitcher on the staff is laughable. Pomeranz deserves that honor. He's been good all year long.

[SoxHop]

He's not a guy you can count on every start.

 

What's your playoff rotation MVP?

 

I was riding the Fister wave and holding on tight, but this outing hurts.

[Maxbialystock]

The first baseman could have come to home and with a return to first it would have been a double play anyway. It was made easy by the grounder right near the bag.

 

Anyhow, the Red Sox tonight have been bad with runners in scoring position. That often is their mO. They miss Nunez's bat in the lineup and Mookie's big night last night is not being repeated in any way. Game is on rain delay and it may be over if the rain continues. To me, the team looked shaky tonight including manager decisions, the pitching and the hitting. Need to win these games when we go against a rookie at home.

 

I like the manager decision even though Hembree gave up the 1 run. I agree the whole team, especially including Fister, looked shaky tonight. Especially tough when the Yankees won today.

[Maxbialystock]

What's your playoff rotation MVP?

 

I was riding the Fister wave and holding on tight, but this outing hurts.

 

Exactly where I am. Plus it's a helluva wave, especially the last 4 starts.

[SoxHop]

Price - Pom - Erod - Fister . . . .

 

no

 

Price - Pom - Porcello - Erod

 

No

 

Price - Pom - Fister - Porcello

 

No

[NativeBostonian]

Price - Pom - Erod - Fister . . . .

 

no

 

Price - Pom - Porcello - Erod

 

No

 

Price - Pom - Fister - Porcello

 

No

 

Let's face it, the Red Sox are f***ed when they face the Guardians in the playoffs.

[NativeBostonian]

Really? And just who is? Is you say Sale, I will of course say you're right season to date, but then will hastily add he ain't exactly been Mr. September in the past and has in fact been out-started by Fister from July 31 to now. Do I need to also go through how Pom, ERod, and Porcello have been since July 31--again?

 

Pom posted a 2.28 ERA in August.

[oldtimer]

I like the manager decision even though Hembree gave up the 1 run. I agree the whole team, especially including Fister, looked shaky tonight. Especially tough when the Yankees won today.

 

I had problems with JF pulling the infield in with one out and a man of 3rd. That inning was shaky and a disaster. Even the way Mookie played a double into a triple. Not good as that resulted in pulling the infield in.

[Maxbialystock]

I wouldn't say I have a low opinion on him. He's done well in the last 4 games. But, I do have a realistic expectation of him. He's someone who can give you good games. But, he's also someone who can s*** the bed. He's a .500 pitcher, who's highest expectations should be a decent number 5. The fact that people are saying he is the second best pitcher on the staff is laughable. Pomeranz deserves that honor. He's been good all year long.

 

Fair enough. Here's where I am coming from. Pom, it's true, has the 2d best pitching WAR on the team after Sale--overall he has as you say been good the whole season. He has also exceeded my expectations. What worries me is the number of pitches he needs to get thru 5 or 6 innings, which means the great majority of his starts depend on the bullpen being good. Thus I get nervous every single time he starts.

 

Fister actually didn't join the club until late June. His first month was definitely terrible, but I charge that up to the new team, etc. But, as I keep saying, he has been our best starter for the last six weeks, which is over half of his season. To me he is no worse than our 3d best starter and I like him more for #2 for the simply reason that, when he is on, he is not only very good, but is also a good bet to hand the game off to Reed and Kimbrel, our two best relievers. Among all our starters, only Sale is consistently that good (or better, season long)_ when he is on. Yes, I think Pom is capable of pitching well, but think he is still basically a 5 or 6 inning guy.

[NativeBostonian]

Fair enough. Here's where I am coming from. Pom, it's true, has the 2d best pitching WAR on the team after Sale--overall he has as you say been good the whole season. He has also exceeded my expectations. What worries me is the number of pitches he needs to get thru 5 or 6 innings, which means the great majority of his starts depend on the bullpen being good. Thus I get nervous every single time he starts.

 

Fister actually didn't join the club until late June. His first month was definitely terrible, but I charge that up to the new team, etc. But, as I keep saying, he has been our best starter for the last six weeks, which is over half of his season. To me he is no worse than our 3d best starter and I like him more for #2 for the simply reason that, when he is on, he is not only very good, but is also a good bet to hand the game off to Reed and Kimbrel, our two best relievers. Among all our starters, only Sale is consistently that good (or better, season long)_ when he is on. Yes, I think Pom is capable of pitching well, but think he is still basically a 5 or 6 inning guy.

 

I don’t think there is a question, Fister is the 3rd pitcher going into the playoffs. Even after tonight. He has shown more then Porcello, and E-Rod.

Edited September 14, 2017 by NativeBostonian

[Maxbialystock]

did that really happen again? Two men on and we ground out to end the inning? 1 for 7 with RISP, 13 left on in 7 innings?

[Maxbialystock]

I don’t think there is a question, Fister is the 3rd pitching going into the playoffs. Even after tonight. He has shown more then Porcello, and E-Rod.

 

They we don't have much to disagree on. Pom is my #3 even though I think ERod has better stuff--but he is way too inconsistent.

[Northern Star]

Seriously, Stanton has more HR than Hanley does with RBIs. That's from your clean up hitter for 3/4 of the year. Absolute garbage.

 

(cough) Thanks, Ben.

[NativeBostonian]

(cough) Thanks, Ben.

 

I think we all can agree on this. Ben can go f*** himself.