7/1 Chicago Cubs @ Red Sox

[a700hitter]

Losing two in a row to Arieta and Jackson, scoring a total of 1 run against them both. This team is toast. Start selling off pieces and get ready for next year.

It is only July 1st. Do you know how long the hot stove season will seem if it starts now? It will seem like a prison sentence.

[BigPapi]

Thank god it's almost football season. This team is hard to watch.

 

At least you can count on the pats to be competitive in the playoffs year in and out unlike these idiots.

[Palodios]

It is only July 1st. Do you know how long the hot stove season will seem if it starts now? It will seem like a prison sentence.

 

What is worse? Losing 90 games with a bunch of mediocre veterans, or losing 95 games with a bunch of kids that will be the team's future, and pulling in a haul of prospects?

[BigPapi]

In 2012, our whole pitching staff slumped big time and now in 2014 our whole offense is slumping big time. Pedey seems to be heating up now but excluding the last game in the yankees series and today he has largely been mediocre. Papi's hr numbers are there but he hasn't been able to maintain a high average like last year. Nava started to hit good in june up until the yankees series cam around but he has been a shell of what he was last year (but we all knew he wasn't going to hit 300 again this year). Nap has been comparable to last year through his first 230 or so at bats cept with less strikeouts and doubles, but I would like to see more out of him. One of the biggest problems has been outfield offensive production, which has been dreadful. It will be interesting to see what the sox do at the deadline.

[a700hitter]

What is worse? Losing 90 games with a bunch of mediocre veterans, or losing 95 games with a bunch of kids that will be the team's future, and pulling in a haul of prospects?

there is another choice. They could get a bat and try to get over .500 and compete for a Wild Card.

[BigPapi]

there is another choice. They could get a bat and try to get over .500 and compete for a Wild Card.

 

What do you think the sox do with WMB before the deadline?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

This team is not one bat away.

[seabeachfred]

If management is gonna be stubborn and insist on playing Drew, then they might as well send Xander to AAA at this point. He's completely f***ed at the plate now.

 

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jd, In my opinion Bogey's confidence has been shattered by his miserable handling by Farrell because of his insatiable love for that putrid Drew (another Ofer tonight). Now I hear Rubby's demotion, totally unwarranted, has resulted in a totally piss poor outing tonight. Those who really believe that the mind doesn't count for a helluva lot in this game are only whistling past the graveyard. Rubby should never have been set down and Bogey should never have been moved off of short for the likes of a useless bum like Drew. Farrell might have won a WS last year but he has done irreparable damage to the team so far this season. Again, this is my opinion and I'm giving it.

[seabeachfred]

Thank god it's almost football season. This team is hard to watch.

 

And please NB, don't ever predict an easy series for the Red Sox again. The Red Sox and an easy series is an oxymoron this year.

[seabeachfred]

Losing two in a row to Arieta and Jackson, scoring a total of 1 run against them both. This team is toast. Start selling off pieces and get ready for next year.

 

You start by releasing Drew, sending Bradley down to Pawtucket to learn to hit which he cannot do consistently, move Bogaerts back to shortstop and bring up Vasquez. You're right, this team is toast. I thought have the Yankee series we might actually be ready to make a move, but you have to have chicken to make chicken salad, you can't do it with chicken s***.

[seabeachfred]

there is another choice. They could get a bat and try to get over .500 and compete for a Wild Card.

 

Sorry 700, another bat will do us little good as long as we have total stiffs in the lineup like Drew and Bradley. For the umpteenth time those two have got to go.

[a700hitter]

Sorry 700, another bat will do us little good as long as we have total stiffs in the lineup like Drew and Bradley. XFor the umpteenth time those two have got to go.

yep. We need Victorino back in addition to a new bat. Bradley could then be sent to the minors and bogaerts could go back to SS with Holt moving to 3rd.

[BigPapi]

The sox are now officially last in the al in runs scored. Unbelievable

[Navafan29]

Well we've gained half a game on the Jays since the start of that big winning streak a while ago....

[yankthis]

Well we've gained half a game on the Jays since the start of that big winning streak a while ago....

 

No s***.

 

Red Sox have scored two or fewer runs in 17 of their last 30 games. If every pitcher in the starting rotation had a 2.00 ERA, it would not be enough to save them from losing more games than they win.

 

If ALL of the other teams in the division can manage to suck that bad for a 30-game stretch, the Red Sox may manage to pick up yet another half game in the standings.

Edited July 2, 2014 by yankthis

[a700hitter]

The outlook is definitely bleak at this point, but I am not ready for the FO to hoist the whote flag. It's only July 2nd. This much can be reasonably concluded. The current roster does not have the offensive potency to turn things around even if Drew starts hitting up to his capability. Victorino will hopefully come back healthy to give us a shot in the arm. It will also get some dead wood out of the lineup. They should be able to pick up a serviceable RH bat without mortgaging the future. Don't ask me to name names. That's not my job. It can be done. Add 2 productive bats (Victorino and a new guy) to our order and we start winning a lot of these one run games. Couple the 2 new bats with Pedroia coming out of his funk and Drew hittin at least 100 points more and the offense can turn things around.

 

I can't believe that the same team as last season minus Ellsbury is a 90 plus loss team. I just can't get to that conclusion. If they blow things up now, IMO they lose more games than the 2012 squad. That would be very painful, and essentially we would be without meaningful baseball for 9 months. That will seem like an eternity

[Bellhorn04]

The continued failure of the offense is in the area of the incomprehensible. Playing in Fenway, the Red Sox give up 2 runs to the Cubs in consecutive games and can't win either game. Mind-boggling.

 

The only good thing is that the pitching continues to be very good.

[Bellhorn04]

They aren't going to blow up the team. I think they'll just unload guys who aren't here next year - Peavy, AJP, Gomes - for whatever they can get. Maybe even Koji, which will be a drag.

[Spudboy]

The outlook is definitely bleak at this point, but I am not ready for the FO to hoist the whote flag. It's only July 2nd. This much can be reasonably concluded. The current roster does not have the offensive potency to turn things around even if Drew starts hitting up to his capability. Victorino will hopefully come back healthy to give us a shot in the arm. It will also get some dead wood out of the lineup. They should be able to pick up a serviceable RH bat without mortgaging the future. Don't ask me to name names. That's not my job. It can be done. Add 2 productive bats (Victorino and a new guy) to our order and we start winning a lot of these one run games. Couple the 2 new bats with Pedroia coming out of his funk and Drew hittin at least 100 points more and the offense can turn things around.

 

I can't believe that the same team as last season minus Ellsbury is a 90 plus loss team. I just can't get to that conclusion. If they blow things up now, IMO they lose more games than the 2012 squad. That would be very painful, and essentially we would be without meaningful baseball for 9 months. That will seem like an eternity

 

What I see in this responsible and reasonable post Ted is that you, like most long time Sox fans ( including me ), is that you have not given up hope. I too believe that the Sox can end up having a decent season with just a few tweaks and some production from some who have done little or nothing so far.

 

I don't see the Sox taking a wild card spot this year. If they make the playoffs it will be because they have won the division.

 

It is almost nauseating to watch the Sox flounder this way. I can't remember a time when the Sox have lost so many close games. Bellhorn04 is correct. The pitching has been pretty good overall. This helps to make me think that if the Sox can get just a tad more offensive production, they can win many more games and climb up the standings.

 

It is lousy to think this way, but the Sox have had chances to wins so many close games. Imagine if they start to score more that 3 runs each game.

[Palodios]

there is another choice. They could get a bat and try to get over .500 and compete for a Wild Card.

 

I don't think the problem is just another bat. This team has a lot of good pieces, but the magic is gone. If Ortiz had hustled to second base last night, the Red Sox probably would have won. The young players on the team are in the too-good for AAA, but not-good-enough-for-the-majors stage of their careers. The RISP numbers are a much bigger problem than OBP numbers. It might be good to take the pressure off the youngsters and just let them prove, or disprove themselves this season without World Series anxiety.

 

With the Nava/Gomes platoon looking like 2013 again, LF might be hard to improve on at a good price. CF and C seem like the only real needs, but those positions are expensive to fill, and who is available? Russell Martin is interesting. Drew Stubbs? Sell the farm for McCutchen? Curtis Granderson? These seem like very expensive moves.

[a700hitter]

I don't think the problem is just another bat. This team has a lot of good pieces, but the magic is gone. If Ortiz had hustled to second base last night, the Red Sox probably would have won. The young players on the team are in the too-good for AAA, but not-good-enough-for-the-majors stage of their careers. The RISP numbers are a much bigger problem than OBP numbers. It might be good to take the pressure off the youngsters and just let them prove, or disprove themselves this season without World Series anxiety.

 

With the Nava/Gomes platoon looking like 2013 again, LF might be hard to improve on at a good price. CF and C seem like the only real needs, but those positions are expensive to fill, and who is available? Russell Martin is interesting. Drew Stubbs? Sell the farm for McCutchen? Curtis Granderson? These seem like very expensive moves.

I don't think a RH bat would be too costly. Some team will make a move for such a bat and it will not cost that much. As for the magic being gone, losing becomes a cancer, but that can be reversed. A few nice wins and well played games can get the juices flowing again.

[seabeachfred]

Two things have to happen and I am pretty confident that thing could turn in our favor-----but the disgusting cockroach in the ointment in Farrell. He just will not do what is needed. One get Bogaerts back to short (oops goofed there at first) and I predict within few games his confidence will be restored and we will have that RH bat we need. Second get Bradley out of CF---like yesterday, and put Betts out there and ride with him. I've said if for days now......X's move to third base has been a failure and his confidence has been shattered and for what? For Drew? Yes, I never like the guy since he turned down the QO which he wasn't worth anyway, but to bring him back anyway and without a ST and coming off a post season where he was totally useless with the bat......that was insane. Especially since it might have long term negative effects on Bogaerts. You don't discard your best prospect and move him to another position and risk his confidence for a guy who no other team wanted. I know there are those who violently disagree with me on this but I hold my ground because I don't think I've ever been more right. Drew has to go, Bogey back at SS, Betts in CF---and stretch the lineup with Holt and Betts one=two for speed. Now that Pedroia seems to hitting well again, you have him third with Papi fourth and Napoli fifth. And will someone chew Ortiz' ass out for loafing on the bases? That didn't help anymore than Drew being picked off first base, though that didn't surprise me at all since I think he is totally s*****. Edited July 2, 2014 by seabeachfred

[Spudboy]

I don't think a RH bat would be too costly. Some team will make a move for such a bat and it will not cost that much. As for the magic being gone, losing becomes a cancer, but that can be reversed. A few nice wins and well played games can get the juices flowing again.

 

This is true. Losing can become as I have said "a culture" within a team. As you have said, a few good wins and that can be changed.

 

The Sox may not make the playoffs this year but let's all hope that they can start to win and play quality ball again.