6/14 Red Sox VS Indians

[Station 13]

Why the heck was Breslow pitching anyway? He hasn't pitch in any close games mostly for a reason.

[a700hitter]

And that's what it takes to become a good baseball team.

Yep, that's exactly right. They have to make things happen, and they haven't all season long.

[Station 13]

Brock Holt is a winner. Every broadcaster from the other side loves this guy.

[Wasatch]

Bogaerts sucks!

[mvp 78]

Breslow should go back to Yale and get mugged at that garbage campus.

[Wasatch]

Nesn sucks!

[Wasatch]

Aj sucks!

[Wasatch]

Redsox suck!

[seabeachfred]

Bogaerts sucks!

 

Earlier in the season I called Bogaerts a choker and some people got their panties all twisted and raised hell. I repeat it. Bogaerts is on s***** hitter in the clutch. He left four more runners on base today. Still, we have no choice but to keep him hitting second. At least he might get some hits with no runners on or draw a walk. Put him back to sixth and he would be a disaster. He has to grow out of those choking moments with the runners on base.

[a700hitter]

This was a game that they should have put in the bank. But they are not a good team and they let an easy matchup get away. This bunch is going nowhere.

[Spudboy]

Did not see much of the first 6 innings.

 

I take it that Brother Peavey was not very effective? Still, the Sox were tied at 2 after six so he at least "kept his team in the game". Or some such crap.

 

At least we have Workman starting Sunday.

[Palodios]

Did not see much of the first 6 innings.

 

I take it that Brother Peavey was not very effective? Still, the Sox were tied at 2 after six so he at least "kept his team in the game". Or some such crap.

 

At least we have Workman starting Sunday.

 

Peavy got shelled all game, but the defense kept bailing him out. 7 hits, 2 BB, 1 HBP, 1 ER.

[Beecke]

I don´t know why, but for some reason I enjoy watching the Red Sox right now, the success isn´t really there, but every so often I get the feeling that something is coming together here and sooner or later the benefits of this season will show.

 

If they want to have a shot at the postseason though, they will need to convert games like yesterday. On another day Peavy playing like this will give up 7 ER, so they should have taken that bit of good fortune and run with it.

[Spudboy]

Peavy got shelled all game, but the defense kept bailing him out. 7 hits, 2 BB, 1 HBP, 1 ER.

 

Thanks. I saw the first inning and it seemed that the Guardians made at least two loud outs ( the ball was being stung ).

 

I sensed that he was going to get shelled. That did not happen and the Sox still lost.

 

I have read some criticism of AJ in the way that he handled ( or didn't handle!! ) that second tag play at the plate. The throw from Pedroia was way off target just outside the left hand hitters box. That failure was mostly Pedroia ( his throw was from the shallow infield ).

 

Whatever, they lost.

[seabeachfred]

Why the heck was Breslow pitching anyway? He hasn't pitch in any close games mostly for a reason.

 

Farrelfrancona didn"t want to lose him so he gave him a chance to throw a game away. Mission accomplished. Come to think of it, Terry has pretty much outmanaged Johnny boy in the games they've gone head to head with.

[seabeachfred]

I don´t know why, but for some reason I enjoy watching the Red Sox right now, the success isn´t really there, but every so often I get the feeling that something is coming together here and sooner or later the benefits of this season will show.

 

If they want to have a shot at the postseason though, they will need to convert games like yesterday. On another day Peavy playing like this will give up 7 ER, so they should have taken that bit of good fortune and run with it.

 

Love your upbeat outlook Beek, but it is NOT coming together any time soon. That means wait until 2017 or 2018 when some of the detritus on this team has been hosed away and some of the better young players not named Bradley are in there and getting us deep into the post-season. Not this year though.....no way this year.

[VA Sox Fan]

Farrelfrancona didn"t want to lose him so he gave him a chance to throw a game away. Mission accomplished. Come to think of it, Terry has pretty much outmanaged Johnny boy in the games they've gone head to head with.

 

He didn't "throw the game away" today. What happened yesterday is moot. And what the f*** does Stephen Drew have with the Manchurian Candidate? Another ridiculous nickname you've come up with that makes no sense.

 

The Red Sox stink right now for a lot of reasons. Having to read your "theories" makes it even more painful.

[seabeachfred]

He didn't "throw the game away" today. What happened yesterday is moot. And what the f*** does Stephen Drew have with the Manchurian Candidate? Another ridiculous nickname you've come up with that makes no sense.

 

The Red Sox stink right now for a lot of reasons. Having to read your "theories" makes it even more painful.

 

That's your opinion lady, but putting Breslow in that situation was dumb in my opinion. We had better candidates to hold a one run lead with three innings to do. For your edification, which is badly in need of an education, Breslow hasn't pitched worth s*** since he threw the ball into the stands last October in the second game of the WS. So IMO Farrell made a managerial blunder with his choice of pitchers is such a situation as they faced yesterday. And what happened yesterday was NOT moot. If you had gotten your head out of your dress you would know what happened yesterday and today has been symptomatic of the team all season. We lose close games on the road, we lose close games at home.....look it up.

 

As for Drew, tell me what is our record when he is in the starting lineup??? Is it 1-4 or maybe 0-5? He is the Manchurian Candidate for the simple reason that he was inserted into the lineup where we didn't need him. We needed a CF who could hit and a corner outfielder with some power. All Drew's signing did was move Bogaerts out of a spot where he will most likely have to be put back at either late this year or next. Drews signing did nothing but jumble our whole team just after we had won seven games in a row. Remember? Please, do yourself a favor and be up to date with what's going on before coming out and getting your sorry ass in a tizzy. Again, do yourself a favor and put me on ignore. You're tired or hearing me? Well, guess what...I'm tired of hearing your meely mouthed and sorry ass comments.

[a700hitter]

Francona out-managed his protege this weekend.

[seabeachfred]

Francona out-managed his protege this weekend.

 

SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH Ted---you're liable to make someone on this board feel very bad. She doesn't like to hear uncomfortable truths.

[win red sox]

Love your upbeat outlook Beek, but it is NOT coming together any time soon. That means wait until 2017 or 2018 when some of the detritus on this team has been hosed away and some of the better young players not named Bradley are in there and getting us deep into the post-season. Not this year though.....no way this year.

 

So let me get this straight, the Red Sox are struggling this year because of Bradley? Not because Gomes, Sizemore, and Nava have been terrible at the plate and even worse in the field. What about Peavy, Buchholz, and Doubront being amongst the worst starting pitchers in the league this year. Or what about Pedroia, his ops has declined that last 3 years. David Ortiz ops has dropped from .959 in 2013 to .836 in 2014. But you want to blame the number 9 hitter who is a rookie providing gold glove caliber defense in cf? WTF

[a700hitter]

So let me get this straight, the Red Sox are struggling this year because of Bradley? Not because Gomes, Sizemore, and Nava have been terrible at the plate and even worse in the field. What about Peavy, Buchholz, and Doubront being amongst the worst starting pitchers in the league this year. Or what about Pedroia, his ops has declined that last 3 years. David Ortiz ops has dropped from .959 in 2013 to .836 in 2014. But you want to blame the number 9 hitter who is a rookie providing gold glove caliber defense in cf? WTF

Ortiz? Seriously? He is surrounded with garbage and you are surprised that his stats are off. I am surprised that he gets anything to hit.

 

The truth is that last year was a perfect season. Every time we needed something to happen, it happened with uncanny regularity. Buchholz and Lester came out of the chute on fire. By the time Ortiz made his debut in May, the team was well on its way. By the time Buch got injured he'd already put up a season of great stats and we won all of his 10-12 starts. His was the only serious injury sustained by the team, and he played a huge role in their success before he suffered his injury.

 

They were incredibly resilient and never lost 4 in a row and their confidence and belief in themselves continued to build all season long. The LF platoon of a journeyman and a career minor leaguer was the most potent offensive left field in baseball. That wasn't going to repeat. Nava's Joe Hardy deal with the devil has expired and he looks like the minor league hack that he is. They played well-above their heads last year. It was not a supremely talented group, but they were a determined bunch that played great. We lost one of our few stars and we are left with Pedroia and Papi as the remaining stars and Pedroia has been a shell of his former self. Other than the two remaining stars (Pedroia and Ortiz), the team is pretty much the same -- a bunch of mainly undistinguished role players that can't replicate last year's magic. We all misjudged this team's capability in light of last year's magic. We thought they could lose Ellsbury and not miss a beat. I am not laying this all off on Ellsbury by any means, nor am I justifying his contract so save your breath. I am just saying that we overestimated this team's capability. This is not a simple case of a championship hangover. This team is 14th out of 15 teams with a record worse than the Astros. Ask any casual baseball fan to name a single player on the Astros. We are firmly in suckland. This is the worst offense the team has had in decades. It is embarrassing to be this bad the year after winning a championship.

Edited June 16, 2014 by a700hitter

[seabeachfred]

So let me get this straight, the Red Sox are struggling this year because of Bradley? Not because Gomes, Sizemore, and Nava have been terrible at the plate and even worse in the field. What about Peavy, Buchholz, and Doubront being amongst the worst starting pitchers in the league this year. Or what about Pedroia, his ops has declined that last 3 years. David Ortiz ops has dropped from .959 in 2013 to .836 in 2014. But you want to blame the number 9 hitter who is a rookie providing gold glove caliber defense in cf? WTF

 

They're struggling because of the fact that many of the players counted on have gone in reverse. It is not all Bradley's fault, but if you read my post carefully you would have noticed that I was talking about the future----andto me the future did NOT include Bradley. Read that post again!!!!!!! My point was that since he cannot hit a breaking pitch and can't get around on a ML fastball his future with us is mirky indeed. He was overhyped and in my opinion isn't a legitimate prospect for stardom. As for the other people you mentioned who deserved blame and accused me of not mentioning, did you see the term "some of the detritus on this team h as been hosed away"????? Who the hell do you think I was talking about?

 

I don't mind being criticized and disagreed with but from now on read the f***ing posts carefully before running off at the mouth. It was all said in my original post. WTF!!!!!!!!!

[win red sox]

They're struggling because of the fact that many of the players counted on have gone in reverse. It is not all Bradley's fault, but if you read my post carefully you would have noticed that I was talking about the future----andto me the future did NOT include Bradley. Read that post again!!!!!!! My point was that since he cannot hit a breaking pitch and can't get around on a ML fastball his future with us is mirky indeed. He was overhyped and in my opinion isn't a legitimate prospect for stardom. As for the other people you mentioned who deserved blame and accused me of not mentioning, did you see the term "some of the detritus on this team h as been hosed away"????? Who the hell do you think I was talking about?

 

I don't mind being criticized and disagreed with but from now on read the f***ing posts carefully before running off at the mouth. It was all said in my original post. WTF!!!!!!!!!

 

I don't think I've seen anyone say the Bradley is going to be a star, what he will be is a gold glove cf and get on base at around a .350 clip and that my sir is around worth around 4-4.5 war. last 10 games his obp is 368. His future with the Red Sox is far from murky.

 

war= wins above replacement

obp= on base percentage

 

And just curious who the future includes? everybody knows Bogaerts sorry ass can't hit with risp(runners in score position), Bradley can't hit a fastball or breaking ball, Webster and RDLR are Dodger castoffs, Buchholz is a big baby, WMB can't hit or field(this one might be accurate).

[Spudboy]

lol

[mvp 78]

Heh...

[NativeBostonian]

I don't think I've seen anyone say the Bradley is going to be a star, what he will be is a gold glove cf and get on base at around a .350 clip and that my sir is around worth around 4-4.5 war. last 10 games his obp is 368. His future with the Red Sox is far from murky.

 

war= wins above replacement

obp= on base percentage

 

And just curious who the future includes? everybody knows Bogaerts sorry ass can't hit with risp(runners in score position), Bradley can't hit a fastball or breaking ball, Webster and RDLR are Dodger castoffs, Buchholz is a big baby, WMB can't hit or field(this one might be accurate).

 

I don't see anything that shows Bradley is going to be a guy who gets on base that much and if you're a center fielder, and you can't get on base, you're not going to be around for long. You need someone with a high OBP out of that position. Your center fielder usually has the most speed out of the nine position players, so he needs to get on.

[seabeachfred]

I don't think I've seen anyone say the Bradley is going to be a star, what he will be is a gold glove cf and get on base at around a .350 clip and that my sir is around worth around 4-4.5 war. last 10 games his obp is 368. His future with the Red Sox is far from murky.

 

war= wins above replacement

obp= on base percentage

 

And just curious who the future includes? everybody knows Bogaerts sorry ass can't hit with risp(runners in score position), Bradley can't hit a fastball or breaking ball, Webster and RDLR are Dodger castoffs, Buchholz is a big baby, WMB can't hit or field(this one might be accurate).

 

You forgot hitting with RISP------you conveniently left that out. The future???? Maybe it would be wise if the Red Sox brass wouldn't over-hype their prospects anymore and simply go the way of cautious optimism, OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN DELCARMEN, LARS ANDERSON, JOSH REDDICK, STOLY PIMENTAL, RYAN KALISH, JOSH BARD?????? Do those names ring any bells?

We do have some good prospects but I think it is best for the front office not to overhype them. I think Garin Cecchini, Blake Swihart, Henry Owens, Anthony Renaudo, Mookie Betts, Christian Vasquez are all potential stalwarts for us, and I still believe Bogaerts will emerge into one of the best players in the league. I also take issue with the one you say might be accurate. I'm one of the few here who still thinks Will Middlebrooks has the goods to be a solid player for us if he can stay healthy for a change and get his timing down. We are nearly denuded of power in our system and we need a few fence busters. It is why the team drafted hitters in the recent FA draft.

 

As for Bradley I see enough holes in his swing and approach at the plate to believe that unless he has a major improvement he is going to have a rough time hitting in the Majors. No matter how much we love his defense, if he can't hit 270 and steal about 30 bases he is not going to be that much help UNLESS we have a good half-dozen players smoking the ball to take some pressure off of him. Right now with the team hitting s*****, he is more a liability in the lineup than an asset. 206 just isn't going to cut it. Hear that WRS, Spud and mvp? I would like to know why you disagree with what I just said besides just trying to be disagreeable. How much of what I said isn't the truth?

[seabeachfred]

I don't see anything that shows Bradley is going to be a guy who gets on base that much and if you're a center fielder, and you can't get on base, you're not going to be around for long. You need someone with a high OBP out of that position. Your center fielder usually has the most speed out of the nine position players, so he needs to get on.

 

NB, we have a few of our friends around here who simply have a lot of trouble accepting inconvenient truths....like Bradley's lack of hitting. It is not as if any of us are wishing him harm, but do I believe those people or what I see with my own eyes. Simply, Bradley cannot hit a low curve down in the zone, and he cannot get around on a good fastball. Now how the hell are you going to overcome that when pitchers know that and know that you will fish for the low ones and haven't the bat speed to catch up with the heat. Believe me when I tell you this, I want Jackie to be a complete success for us, but I see what I've been seeing since early last year, and I am reminded of something Ted Williams once said in a moment of pique at some writer or team official....to wit, NEVER SHRINK FROM LOOKING A BALD FACT IN THE FACE NO MATTER HOW UNCOMFORTABLE IT MAY BE. Watching Jackie hit makes me very uncomfortable.

[a700hitter]

Bradley's inability to catch up with a major league fastball is concerning. That is not something a player can learn.