7/6 @ Angels

[jung]

That pitch just before the splitter hit foul was as tired a pitch as I have seen Ueh throw in weeks. Might be time to try to rest him after this game.

[jung]

This game is really pissing me off. Miller goes down with the turned ankle and that f***s the whole pen up. Now we have Ueh tired in walk-offs-ville

 

Get him to chase Ueh

Edited July 7, 2013 by jung

[Station 13]

Omgfg

[jung]

What did I say about Synder at 3rd and yes for those who asked a few posts and treads ago.... WMB is a better defensive 3rd baseman than Synder.

 

On the bright side, Farrell has now tested exactly how far Ueh can go. Just went past it.

Edited July 7, 2013 by jung

[jung]

Timmens is f***ing blind. A total embarrassment and vying with West for worst ump in baseball.

[jung]

The other wall hit tonight is Naps. If Mr. Stubborn, Farrell does not get Carp in there starting tomorrow I am really going to be unhappy.

[yeszir]

Well ugh

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

What did I say about Synder at 3rd and yes for those who asked a few posts and treads ago.... WMB is a better defensive 3rd baseman than Synder.

 

On the bright side, Farrell has now tested exactly how far Ueh can go. Just went past it.

 

Wait, did anyone on the site actually think Snyder has better defense than WMB? WMB isn't on the team because he couldn't hit a beach ball.

[jung]

Really disappointed in this game. Granted when push came to shove, the f***ing error at 3rd got us here. However it should have been pretty clear that Ueh was running on fumes. I just do not understand why Farrell says things that make sense and then does not follow through. Talks the talk but does not walk the walk.

 

"Bailey will be used in low leverage situations". Promptly brought in to f*** up several high leverage situations.

 

"We will have to protect Ueh". Promptly used.... what 7 out of 8 games or something like that?

[jung]

Somebody questioned WMB coming back and pushing Iggy to permanent SS not being an upgrade over Snyder and Iggy or Iggy at 3rd and Drew at SS. Without question, getting Iggy to SS permanently with WMB at 3rd would be an upgrade. That said WMB is not a great 3rd baseman either. But he is better than Synder at 3rd and Iggy is better than just about anybody playing MLB at SS.

[a700hitter]

Just a terrible play by Snyder. I do question whether the throw would have beat the runner if it had been on target.

[jung]

Salty is another guy that is going to run out of gas on us pretty soon at this rate. Farrell is going to have to trust Lavs more whether he likes it or he might end up stuck trusting Lavs a whole lot more.

 

Gotta' give Salty credit though. He has really hung tough.

[jung]

Just a terrible play by Snyder. I do question whether the throw would have beat the runner if it had been on target.

 

Well that still would have been on Synder. That was a simple force play. Get the ball there and the game is over. Nobody told him to soft toss the damn thing. Christ underhand would have been a better option than what he did.

[jung]

Well....we certainly gave that one away. Wish I could say Farrell will learn from it but I really think he is one of the most stubborn guys in baseball.

[a700hitter]

Well that still would have been on Synder. That was a simple force play. Get the ball there and the game is over. Nobody told him to soft toss the damn thing. Christ underhand would have been a better option than what he did.

The guy is a bush leaguer. That's what can happen when those types of guys are on the field. We hit the jack pot with Nava, but those cases are few and far between.

[Station 13]

The love affair with Mortensen was like 3 months of abuse. They finally ended it. Time to ax Snyder and Wilson early.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

We deserved to lose that one.

[Station 13]

Relax, they could play .500 baseball and still win 90 games.

[iortiz]

How in the hell we possibly L this game? I left the game 7-3... And the this? WTF?

[jung]

Relax, they could play .500 baseball and still win 90 games.

 

At this point I am more concerned that they will get to September too gassed to do anything. Naps is shot. Salty is soon to be shot. Certain pieces in the pen are constantly overused.

 

The team keeps preaching 25 guys but Farrell does not play them that way. Farrell has got to rotate guys into the lineup more and has got to use better judgement with the pen.

 

Carp should have already had much more playing time by now which automatically would have given Naps more rest. Salty is not going to hold up being played this way and that is a real shame. For all the abuse he gets here, from me for that matter, this is his best year by far.

 

Even Pedey for all his qualities ain't above wearing down.

 

Vic may need a bit more rest through the second half as well. Tito for all his faults gave guys more rest from beginning to end of a season. He did not wait for guys to be on their last legs for the most part. Naps was going to be an obvious problem from day one and Salty is catching way too much at this point. Vic is playing with injury and they are the type of injuries that if aggravated may put him on the pine for an extended period. I would have already preferred seeing less of those three guys in the lineup. I don't think any of the three will make it through the season into post season play like we need them to be if Farrell keeps this up...to say nothing of the way he uses the pen.

 

It is easy to see why Farrell is a giant improvement over V. Just not ready to anoint him as the second coming until he clears up some of this other s***...like Butterfield and the way he coaches 3rd for example. Actually Butterfield fads into the background compared to the way Farrell overuses players.

Edited July 7, 2013 by jung

[SoxSport]

The game just showed the importance of defense. They had a guy playing 3B at the end weak on defense and they paid for it. Plus the bullpen has some holes in it.

 

Time to get Middlebrooks back to play 3B while Drew is convalescing. Every game is important right now.

Edited July 7, 2013 by SoxSport

[WMB16]

Beyond pissed right now...I fell asleep with 2,outs in the ninth and they lose. I agree with Jung it dorsnt matter if we win 90+ games by September or the playoffs are we going to be to gassed to compete. At this rate with out a doubt and if Millet is out for a while our pen is really screwed

[Bellhorn04]

Are Sox players like Salty really any more gassed than comparable players on other teams, or does it just seem that way because we see our players every day? Wieters has played more than Salty.

 

All-Star break is coming up soon.

[Bellhorn04]

To me the obvious question about last night's game is, why not Tazawa for the 9th inning? I assume the answer is that Farrell saw it as opportunity to rest both Uehara and Tazawa.

 

But is a 4-run lead in the 9th really a 'safe' lead, even though it's not a 'save' situation? Debatable I guess.

 

One thing I do know is that Francona used to use Papelbon quite a bit in the same situation. He wasn't much more comfortable with a 4-run lead than he was with a 3-run lead. You get a couple of guys on quick and suddenly things are dicey and you're scrambling to get your closer ready.

[Station 13]

4 run lead, you never want to waste one of your best relievers. This was a mop up situation that Alex Wilson perform miserably. How do you plunk Trout to load the bases with Pujols up?

[jung]

Well we know Ueh needs to be protected....Farrell has said as much and he certainly looked out of steam last night. That pitch he threw before Albert crushed the hung slider foul was a very tired looking pitch. He really should not have pitched last night. Hopefully Farrell at least saw that and will back off Ueh.

 

As for Salty, expecting him to keep up this pace through the remainder of the season is the problem. He is not gassed as yet but he will get there at this rate. We should not compare him to Weiters who has had successive years at 140 and 144 and 139 games. Weiters is used to this. Salty is not.

 

It is really the same problem though not quite as exacerbated as I saw in Naps before the season started. He has never gotten within pissing distance of the number of games expected of him this year and he is clearly gassed now. That is sort of the genesis for my concern for Salty. I have already seen how Farrell has used Naps with a ready replacement in the form of Carp just building up pine time. If Farrell is content to use up Naps this way with a ready replacement sitting there, what the heck is he going to do with Salty given that Lavs is not likely to be as solid a replacement for him as Carp would be for Naps.

 

I do think that since he really has not IMO given Naps, Vic, Salty or Pedey enough rest in the first half, he is going to have to deal with it somehow in the second half. As for the bullpen, Paps did run out of gas in 2011. But we only had Paps and Ace. That was it. There was no pen left besides those two guys and Paps just plain did not make it, especially when he was asked to pitch more than one inning AND close. To me our pen issue this year is the one inning or less per stint problem. Can't crank these guys up every day. It just does not work out. Farrell will have to find ways to keep some of these guys down instead of working them virtually every day...whether that means simply resting a few guys or finding a guy that can get across the break and pitch more than one inning.

 

Frankly, if they are not going to bring Ace in to spot start, they should bring him in to see if he can fill the same role he filled in 2011. Ace could actually save the pen AGAIN if they do that. Seems to me that for better or worse they have settled on Webster to spot start. So fine, what the hell is Ace still doing bumping around in the system when he might be the only guy we have that Farrell would allow to go more than one inning in relief out of the pen.

[Bellhorn04]

4 run lead, you never want to waste one of your best relievers. This was a mop up situation that Alex Wilson perform miserably. How do you plunk Trout to load the bases with Pujols up?

 

You plunk Trout if you're an Alex Wilson type.

 

I'm not convinced that a 4-run lead vs. the Angels, with the guys they had coming up, is mop-up.

 

Farrell gave Wilson the opportunity to show if he could be relied on in that situation and he f***ed it up royally.

 

Really too bad when Bailey did such a good job.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Brutal loss. Can't make a 40 foot toss to 2B?!? Are you kidding me??

 

Get the win tonight and take 2/3. Geez. Should be a sweep. That was pathetic.

[seabeachfred]

You plunk Trout if you're an Alex Wilson type.

 

I'm not convinced that a 4-run lead vs. the Angels, with the guys they had coming up, is mop-up.

 

Farrell gave Wilson the opportunity to show if he could be relied on in that situation and he f***ed it up royally.

 

Really too bad when Bailey did such a good job.

 

Really Bellhorn, how many people on this board alone would have entrusted a bum like Alex Wilson with that four run lead. Not many I would guess. You wouldn't and I wouldn't and most others wouldn't and the simple reason is that Wilson has proven to be a choke-up who cannot pitch with a lead. Give him the ball when we're behind and no pressure and he does fine, but never never never give him another chance unless we have at least a six run lead. Farrell has done this kind of s*** a few times this season earlier in the campaign and somehow the team recovered from those devastating losses This one might not be able to be overcome, and, remember, we face Weaver tonight Felix Rodriguez tomorrow. I hope this devastating loss doesn't send the team into the tank.

 

I'm so pissed off now that I've decided to take a one week hiatus. I have a few foils on this board as it is and I don't want to lose the friends I've made by going over the cliff. I still can't believe we could have lost that game last night.