The Jacoby Ellsbury trade extravaganza thread

[BornToRun]

I would throw myself off a bridge if we gave up Ellsbury for Jason Vargas. That's nauseating just thinking about it.

[mvp 78]

Stay the f*** away from Lee. The guy is getting older and owed a s*** ton of money. Guys like him are exactly who we need to stay away from if we want to avoid getting caught in the same shitstorm that we just saw in 2012.

 

That settles it, I'm all for Lee!

 

BTR is the jinx/reverse jinx for Sox SP's.

[Station 13]

I would throw myself off a bridge if we gave up Ellsbury for Jason Vargas. That's nauseating just thinking about it.

 

Just as Ellsbury for Masterson with throwing in extra.

[SoxSport]

The Phillies GM was on MLB TV tonite, and he said the big 3 Phillies starters are going nowhere--they are the team's core. Besides, their owners won't deal with Boras because of JD Drew.

 

If they move Ells, it's more likely in mid season when they can get more value for him. But maybe also now. Seattle is a good landing spot--for Vargas. Forget Felix. Maybe Lincecum, though his mechanics says no. Maybe Bumgarner. Has to be a team that will deal with Boras. Seattle, yes. Maybe Texas.

[BornToRun]

That settles it, I'm all for Lee!

 

BTR is the jinx/reverse jinx for Sox SP's.

 

Is this because of:

 

A. My 2011 support for Lackey?

B. My 2012 support for Beckett?

 

Or C. A combination of the two?

[mvp 78]

Is this because of:

 

A. My 2011 support for Lackey?

B. My 2012 support for Beckett?

 

Or C. A combination of the two?

 

C

[mvp 78]

Alex Speir (sp?) just put up an article on weei stating a trade of Ells is not inevitable.

[BornToRun]

C

 

Understood.

 

Not two of my finer moments.

[TylerD]

He's owed way too much money. Philly is gonna have to eat a good size chunk before I like it. Lee is on the way out of his prime. The Red Sox should not stick themselves with paying for what Lee has done.

 

I definitely think it's a gamble. I see where your coming from, but it's so hard to ignore what he could do for this team. Money will always be an issue, but I have wanted a guy like Cliff Lee on this team for a while. (If he still plays like we know he can). If we pay a lot and get Lackey sort of thing, then it's different. That's the gamble you take unfortunately when you get superstars starting to pass their prime a bit.

[SCM33]

Ellsbury, Salty, Kalish and Iglesias for either Cliff Lee or Roy Halladay. Ask them for Jake Diekman as well......asking for both pitchers may force us to add a pitching prospect along the lines of Brandon Workman.

 

Priority 1, Halladay. That dude is a beast.

 

Why PHI would consider the deal:

1. Ellsbury fills a hole. He would replace Victorino in CF.

2. Salty fills a hole. PHI needs a catcher since theirs is serving a PED suspenstion.

3. Kalish can get some time in the OF, especially splitting time with Juan Pierre.

4. Iglesias will learn the ropes from Rollins. Rollins eventually should shift to 3B.

5. They get out of a Halladays contract.

 

We have a replacement now for Ellsbury. We also have one for Salty. A signing of Swisher would eliminate a need for Kalish. Iglesias is expendable because we have players with higher ceilings in the wings. Sign Alex Gonzalez short term. Sign J. Bay to a minor league deal. Ross is also still on the table.

 

LF Ross/Gomes/Bay

CF: Victorino

RF: Nick Swisher

3b: WMB

SS: Alex Gonzalez

2B: Dustin Pedroia

1B: Mike Napoli

DH: David Ortiz

C: David Ross/ Ryan Lavarnway

 

SP: Roy Halladay

SP: Jon Lester

SP: Clay Buccholz

SP: Franklin Morales

SP: Jon Lackey

Other possibles: Kyle Lohse

 

CP: Andrew Bailey

BP: Daniel Bard

BP: Jake Diekman

BP: Junichi Tazawa

BP: Alfredo Aceves

BP: Brian Wilson

BP: Andrew Miller

 

Thats 24 of the 25 players. Pedro Ciriaco would round out the team as the utility INF/Super sub.

 

That team is damn good, and very balanced. The lineup looks long. A lot of quality bats, the only hole would be at SS. Halladay anchors the staff, it would be nice to see what Lester and Buccholz could learn from him.

 

Also, you have to imigaine that Farrell with have some influence with this group.

 

The cancer is gone, its time to start over......and this new blood could be what we need to make a run.

[iortiz]

Liked that trade and lineup SCM33. I would sign Lohse too as you suggest and send back Morales to BP.

[jung]

I don't know what Spier's point is. "Ells trade is not inevitable". Maybe so but it would sure seem highly likely at this point. Especially since the trade pieces the Sox have taken individually won't get the Sox very far. Ells is on his last year...Salty is....well....Salty though he is catcher...sort of and Felix is still in development. Kalish....maybe we should rename him "the shoulder". Hopefully he is finally ready to play.

 

But you wrap two of them up in a bundle with Ells, and ya' got somethin'.

[BSN07]

Aren't you always saying that you're scared of soft-tossing lefties at Fenway? With an average fastball velocity of 88 MPH for his career, Jason Vargas is the textbook definition of a soft-tossing lefty.

 

Busted. I was going off pure memory.I really thought he was a low 90's guy at least. Thank you for the correction. Vargas doesn't seem so attractive now.

[BornToRun]

Busted. I was going off pure memory.I really thought he was a low 90's guy at least. Thank you for the correction. Vargas doesn't seem so attractive now.

 

Didn't he also give up a s*** ton of bombs playing in safeco?

[Orange Juiced]

Garza. Johann. Price. Cahill. Vargas. Floyd. There are pitchers out there who are semi-available. Go get 'em.

 

Atlanta is looking for an OF and is willing to deal Teheran or Delgado. Now they're both prospects, not established pitchers, but they are both big-time prospects.

 

What I might explore is a deal of Ellsbury for Brandon Beachy. Just 26 years old, but coming off TJ surgery (which usually results in guys throwing harder). Not sure he'll even be ready for the start of the season....probably not. But here are his career numbers:

 

3.07 era, 1.14 whip, 9.5 k/9, 127 era+

 

Dude can *pitch*. And he makes essentially nothing (less than $500k) and is under team control til 2017.

 

Trade Salty + a C-level prospect for Gavin Floyd. Trade Ellsbury for Beachy. Sign Lohse to a 2 or 3 year deal. Sign Josh Hamilton to a 3/75 deal.

 

Lineup:

CF Victorino

2b Pedroia

RF Hamilton

1b Napoli

DH Ortiz

3b Middlebrooks

LF Gomes/Kalish

C Lavarnway

SS Iglesias

 

Rotation: Lester, Buchholz, Floyd, Beachy, Lohse

 

With Lackey, Doubront, and Morales there as depth.

 

That team right there could win the World Series.

[BSN07]

Atlanta is looking for an OF and is willing to deal Teheran or Delgado. Now they're both prospects, not established pitchers, but they are both big-time prospects.

 

What I might explore is a deal of Ellsbury for Brandon Beachy. Just 26 years old, but coming off TJ surgery (which usually results in guys throwing harder). Not sure he'll even be ready for the start of the season....probably not. But here are his career numbers:

 

3.07 era, 1.14 whip, 9.5 k/9, 127 era+

 

Dude can *pitch*. And he makes essentially nothing (less than $500k) and is under team control til 2017.

 

Trade Salty + a C-level prospect for Gavin Floyd. Trade Ellsbury for Beachy. Sign Lohse to a 2 or 3 year deal. Sign Josh Hamilton to a 3/75 deal.

 

Lineup:

CF Victorino

2b Pedroia

RF Hamilton

1b Napoli

DH Ortiz

3b Middlebrooks

LF Gomes/Kalish

C Lavarnway

SS Iglesias

 

Rotation: Lester, Buchholz, Floyd, Beachy, Lohse

 

With Lackey, Doubront, and Morales there as depth.

 

That team right there could win the World Series.

 

Not sure Ellsbury is what Atlanta is looking for. But getting one of those young prospects would not be bad return.

[dupree]

Not sure Ellsbury is what Atlanta is looking for. But getting one of those young prospects would not be bad return.

 

This would not be a bad move but with BJ Upton there now i dont think they need a CF

Id like to see the Sox working something out with the DBacks on a trade for Justin Upton

or possibly a trade for Trevor Bauer.. or a combination with both

id throw iggy in there because the DBacks are wanting a shortstop

[a700hitter]

Vargas for Ellsbury would be highway robbery by the Mariners. They would jump at that deal.

[BSN07]

Vargas for Ellsbury would be highway robbery by the Mariners. They would jump at that deal.

 

Ya I really f'd that one , I'm not sure who I am remembering being a good LHP from Seattle, I have since come to my senses so no worries

[Orange Juiced]

This would not be a bad move but with BJ Upton there now i dont think they need a CF

Id like to see the Sox working something out with the DBacks on a trade for Justin Upton

or possibly a trade for Trevor Bauer.. or a combination with both

id throw iggy in there because the DBacks are wanting a shortstop

 

Even after acquiring BJ Upton, the Braves have been looking for another OF. They were trying to trade for Justin Upton, but the D-Backs wanted Atlanta's great young SS, Simmons, who the Braves don't want to part with. They have pitching to give, and want an OF. We have an OF to give, and need pitching.

 

Seems like a match made in heaven, to me.

[BSN07]

Let's consider the teams that could theoretically need a CF and what they have to offer,

 

Im skipping the AL East for obvious reasons,

 

Cleveland- Masterson

KC(?)- Not a really good match

Seattle- They have a few young guys, but nothing proven

Texas- Holland seems movable

Philly- Lee makes sense, but Philly is saying absolutely no to trades of the SP core. Not sure they have anyone else

NYM- Dickey(no), Niese(no) Santana(maybe, have to look at the contract)

Marlins- Nolasco and Morrison(could be the LH bat Cherries is looking for?) going to take more then Ells

Cincy- Leake maybe Bailey if it doesn't look like an extension is likely

Cubs- Garza

Houston- No idea

 

Feel free to add anyone I missed.

[iortiz]

Let's consider the teams that could theoretically need a CF and what they have to offer,

 

Im skipping the AL East for obvious reasons,

 

Cleveland- Masterson

KC(?)- Not a really good match

Seattle- They have a few young guys, but nothing proven

Texas- Holland seems movable

Philly- Lee makes sense, but Philly is saying absolutely no to trades of the SP core. Not sure they have anyone else

NYM- Dickey(no), Niese(no) Santana(maybe, have to look at the contract)

Marlins- Nolasco and Morrison(could be the LH bat Cherries is looking for?) going to take more then Ells

Cincy- Leake maybe Bailey if it doesn't look like an extension is likely

Cubs- Garza

Houston- No idea

 

Feel free to add anyone I missed.

 

AS SCM33 said, set a package around Ells and land the Doc.

[BSN07]

AS SCM33 said, set a package around Ells and land the Doc.

 

Like I said, Philly is saying absolutely no to trading from their rotation. It's the core they are counting on.

[rjortiz]

I did read the Guardians are talking to Kevin Youk. So it would at least be ammusingly ironic if Ells ended up sharing a locker room with Youk, lol.

 

Why is that ironic?

[NativeBostonian]

I was thinking about trading him for Shields or Price. But, I don't really want to send a guy like Jacoby Ellsbury to a team that is in our division. It's very risky. Especially since the two Rays' pitchers never played for a big market team and you don't know if they could handle it.

[dupree]

The big market wouldnt be that much of an issue for shields or price

They both are big game pitchers i think they will do well in a big market

 

As far as Ellsbury in a package for 1 of those guys id see sheilds a more likely than price

Price would take 2 if not all the Killer Bees to Land Him

 

Dont get me wrong i would love to see Price as our #1

But trading Price in the divison especially to the Red Sox is highly unlikely

Thats what dreams are made of tho

 

Price Lester Bucholtz Floyd & Lackey

Two top of the line pitchers to battle the Yankees on that little league right field wall

I think Price & Lester as 1 - 2 makes a lot of sense having to left handers head up the staff

[SoxFanForsyth]

Ellsbury isn't going to get a huge haul unless they add other pieces.

 

The type of trade the Sox would be looking at would be a trade for Lincecum. Couple guys coming off questionable seasons, left with 1 year until FA.

[wyo-sox]

Why is that ironic?

 

I just always got the feeling they did not like each other, I remember hearing Youk was one of the reasons Ells did not want to stay in Boston long term. I remember Youk calling out Ells one year for not being with the team when he was out with an injury. Given that if the ever fluid circumstances landed them as team mates in Clevland I would find that ironic.

[wyo-sox]

Ellsbury isn't going to get a huge haul unless they add other pieces.

 

The type of trade the Sox would be looking at would be a trade for Lincecum. Couple guys coming off questionable seasons, left with 1 year until FA.

 

I agree, I feel like we really over estimate his value. Take into account he is only under contract for a season, he has an agent that will do everything possible to do the over priced free agent drama next year, he has a proven history of injuries, and when you set aside his one great season his numbers arent that amazing.

[dupree]

Lincucem in Boston would be awesome!!!

Im not sure what his salary is... But that would be a nice trade

The Giants coming off a World Series are prolly not gonna trade any SP pitching

Especially since Tim came out of the bullpen & showed how deciated he was to the team

 

The Giants do have a surplus of SP & if we could get him to would make that trade

I know he had a down year in 2012 & now is the time to strike while the iron is hot

He would prolly be the best option out there

Pitchers like Lincucem change the game & the face of the rotation

& i dont see pitchers like Price or King Felix coming to Boston via trade

we have too many good prospects to risk years for 1 pitcher

 

Does Lincecum have a No Trade? Because if he does he'll stay in SF no doubt