Nick Swisher, A MUST for the Red Sox

[NZSox]

Ideally we'd sign him to a similar (slightly lower money) contract that we just signed Napoli to. Something short-ish term for flexibility. What sort of money is Cody asking for in comparison??

[onlybereaved]

NZSox, your signature is dated, bro!

 

Cody Ross had a good year, but I think him and his agent valued him too high to have a hope at staying in Boston. A shame really, because everyone seems to like him and he seems to like Boston. The problem is he just isn't worth the same money as Mike Napoli or Nick Swisher and guys on that level IMO

[NZSox]

NZSox, your signature is dated, bro!

 

Cody Ross had a good year, but I think him and his agent valued him too high to have a hope at staying in Boston. A shame really, because everyone seems to like him and he seems to like Boston. The problem is he just isn't worth the same money as Mike Napoli or Nick Swisher and guys on that level IMO

 

Yikes it was indeed. Just fixed it, haven't been on here in a while!

 

On Swisher vs. Ross, are they asking for similar money? I really like Cody but I know who I'd prefer for similar $$

[SCM33]

If we could add Swisher.....

 

Jonny Gomes, Nick Swisher and Mike Napoli are a solid start to the offseason. The clubhouse would be injected with some new, fresh blood.

 

I still think that both Swisher AND Ross could be added, as Jonny Gomes is most likely a 4th OF/platoon player.....also, don't be surprised if Jason Bay is offered a minor league deal.

 

Napoli gives us a lot of flexibility between 1B and C.

[onlybereaved]

"a solid start" is an understatement, there man.

 

If we had Gomes, Swish, Nap AND Ross...Dayum.

[NZSox]

It's funny, because I'm sure we all hated Swisher so much a very short time ago. Just the sight of his face used to annoy me.

[NZSox]

"a solid start" is an understatement, there man.

 

If we had Gomes, Swish, Nap AND Ross...Dayum.

 

Would we be too hamstrung financially to go after any decent pitching though? Perhaps that's what he's getting at; that we'd have signed quality players but ignored a glaring weakness?

[onlybereaved]

It's funny, because I'm sure we all hated Swisher so much a very short time ago. Just the sight of his face used to annoy me.

 

 

Not me, man. I have always said that of all of the Yankees, I DO respect and do not hate:

 

Mark Tex, Granderson, Swisher, Rivera.

 

For Real.

[onlybereaved]

Would we be too hamstrung financially to go after any decent pitching though? Perhaps that's what he's getting at; that we'd have signed quality players but ignored a glaring weakness?

 

Yeah, that's just it eh. We can have an 'A' offense and still lose with a flawed rotation/bullpen.

 

True that

[NZSox]

Not me, man. I have always said that of all of the Yankees, I DO respect and do not hate:

 

Mark Tex, Granderson, Swisher, Rivera.

 

For Real.

 

Granderson and Rivera I get. Both seem like model pros and decent guys. I'm willing to be convinced Swisher deserves my respect (if he joins). Texeira ... no comment.

[onlybereaved]

lol fair enough, man. I know it's a touchy subject. There are certain MLB players that I dislike so much that nothing could get me to change my opinion of them.

[SCM33]

It's funny, because I'm sure we all hated Swisher so much a very short time ago. Just the sight of his face used to annoy me.

 

Ive always liked him.

 

His shtick annoys you, because hes cocky......which is exactly what you need to be when you play in NY or Boston.

[example1]

Swisher is incredibly consistent. Starting in 2006 he's had OPS+'s of 125, 126, 93, 122, 129, 120, 126. He's put up HR totals of 35, 22, 24, 29, 29, 23, 24 and OPS's of .864, .836, .743, .869, .870, .822, .837 during that time.

 

He can be chalked up for an OPS+ of 120's, 20+ HR an OBP of .360ish and an .820-.850 OPS most likely. Oh yeah, he's also played in 148 games or more for 7 seasons in a row and has positional flexibility. The Sox could really benefit from a consistent, injury-free player to contrast their injuries of the past few years.

 

He's not worth a huge contract, but if they can get a reasonable deal for him (3 years, 45m with an option) they should go for it.

 

By contrast, Cody Ross's OBP over his past 5 seasons hasn't been higher than .326, though he's consistent too (.316, .321, .322, .325, .326). His highest OPS during that stretch was .807 last year. Swisher has been better than that in 6 of the past 7 seasons.

[SCM33]

Swisher is incredibly consistent. Starting in 2006 he's had OPS+'s of 125, 126, 93, 122, 129, 120, 126. He's put up HR totals of 35, 22, 24, 29, 29, 23, 24 and OPS's of .864, .836, .743, .869, .870, .822, .837 during that time.

 

He can be chalked up for an OPS+ of 120's, 20+ HR an OBP of .360ish and an .820-.850 OPS most likely. Oh yeah, he's also played in 148 games or more for 7 seasons in a row and has positional flexibility. The Sox could really benefit from a consistent, injury-free player to contrast their injuries of the past few years.

 

He's not worth a huge contract, but if they can get a reasonable deal for him (3 years, 45m with an option) they should go for it.

 

By contrast, Cody Ross's OBP over his past 5 seasons hasn't been higher than .326, though he's consistent too (.316, .321, .322, .325, .326). His highest OPS during that stretch was .807 last year. Swisher has been better than that in 6 of the past 7 seasons.

 

 

Napoli and Swisher would drastically change the offensive approach of the last couple of years. From all accounts, both are high character guys as well.

 

I want Swisher, and pass on Hamilton. Its not always about the big name.

[Divinity]

Swisher is incredibly consistent.

 

 

Also consistently bad against good pitching, aka the playoffs. Though the Sox are probably a couple years away from that so he'd still be a good fit.

[User Name]

Also consistently bad against good pitching, aka the playoffs. Though the Sox are probably a couple years away from that so he'd still be a good fit.

 

Not very smart, are you?

[Orange Juiced]

Swisher vs. Hamilton, last 3 seasons.

 

Total stats (last 4 years):

Swisher: 1629 ab, 247 r, 76 hr, 267 rbi, .274/.366/.478/.844, 125 ops+

Hamilton: 1567 ab, 278 r, 100 hr, 322 rbi, .313/.370/.583/.952, 146 ops+

 

Average (last 4 years):

Swisher: 543 ab, 82 r, 25 hr, 89 rbi, .274/.366/.478/.844, 125 ops+

Hamilton: 522 ab, 93 r, 33 hr, 107 rbi, .313/.370/.583/.952, 146 ops+

 

Swisher might make $17-18 million per season on his next contract. Hamilton likely will command $25 million per season on his. Is that production difference (which is real, no doubt) worth an extra $7-8 (maybe 10) million per year?

[cbbosox]

If swisher is so good why don't the Yankess want him back/

[example1]

They are trying to get payroll under the LT threshold. Just as the sox would have been had they not made LAD trade.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Not very smart, are you?

 

He's a Yankees fan, let him off the hook.

 

One of these days, I'm gonna create a thread with all the dumbass s*** he posts.

[User Name]

He's a Yankees fan, let him off the hook.

 

One of these days, I'm gonna create a thread with all the dumbass s*** he posts.

 

Please include Meh and his fast-food diet plan.

[Divinity]

Not very smart, are you?

 

I'm not saying he can't hit good pitchers. He faces tons of pitchers, and anyone in the major leagues is going to hit good pitchers if they are going to stay in the major leagues. I just don't think he can consistently hit good pitching. Good pitchers make mistakes, too, but in the playoffs you tend to see more consistently good pitching. He's always been a mistake hitter, and good ML hitters live off of mistakes. But Swisher's ability is to foul off good pitches until he gets a cookie, and he doesn't get as many in October (plus the fact I think he is mentally screwed up with his postseason numbers to where he overthinks his approach in each at bat).

 

It's merely my view of him that I've always held. Good hitter, good approach. But execute against him and he has less a chance of getting a hit than other good hitters.

[User Name]

I'm not saying he can't hit good pitchers. He faces tons of pitchers, and anyone in the major leagues is going to hit good pitchers if they are going to stay in the major leagues. I just don't think he can consistently hit good pitching. Good pitchers make mistakes, too, but in the playoffs you tend to see more consistently good pitching. He's always been a mistake hitter, and good ML hitters live off of mistakes. But Swisher's ability is to foul off good pitches until he gets a cookie, and he doesn't get as many in October (plus the fact I think he is mentally screwed up with his postseason numbers to where he overthinks his approach in each at bat).

 

It's merely my view of him that I've always held. Good hitter, good approach. But execute against him and he has less a chance of getting a hit than other good hitters.

 

That's why he's "good" not "elite". And my post was geared towards both points of your earlier comment, and the things you post in general.

[onlybereaved]

Bump in hopes that we still have interest in Swish. Would be awesome.

[dupree]

Bump in hopes that we still have interest in Swish. Would be awesome.

 

I hope we have a chance of getting Swisher but who knows

 

I got a feeling swisher will be a philly if the red sox dont blow him away with the years he is wanting. Texas could be in the mix for him as well but i think they will try to keep making a move on Upton and lose sight of Swisher and he goes somewhere else

[onlybereaved]

Word.

 

Mind you if the Napoli deal falls through, I don't think anyone will give Swisher a better offer than the Red Sox.

[dupree]

Word.

 

Mind you if the Napoli deal falls through, I don't think anyone will give Swisher a better offer than the Red Sox.

 

Agreed. I think that the napoli deal goes thru tho. Probably done by the weekend

But instead of swish at 1B id rather see Adam LaRoche signed along with Swish to play LF and then slpit time at 1B but im not a big fan of Swisher not in the outfield the bulk of the time

 

But the Nationals are making a hard puch for LaRoche so boston has to make a decision on what to do a 1B. If napoli falls through and laroche goes back to Washington. I think the only choice boston has is to go all in on swisher and think about bringing cody ross in to play LF. Not a fan of the Gomes/Kalish platoon theory. I like cody ross and i think his bat is just right for fenway. We will just have to wait and see

Even tho im not a fan of the platoon maybe kalish breaks out like reddick did in oakland ive always read that kalish was more of a complete player in the red sox eyes than reddick was and had more upside. So maybe swisher would just block the playing time of another boston home grown players. If they dont sign swisher i would give kalish the bulk of the playing time over gomes. Because i dont think cody ross is gonna go cheap and he many have already priced himself outta boston

[onlybereaved]

Would be amazing if Kalish could transform like Reddick did. I agree about Cody Ross, too.

[dupree]

I seen where Jon Heyman said boston was out on Nick Swisher this morning but then i read ttwo or three more reports talking about if hamilton falls to another club how ahrd the red sox were going to go after swisher. So i dont know until he signs i hope he is coming to bean town. If they could sign Swisher along with Brian Wilson you could say the red sox are shaping put to be remaking the team into to fun and intense famous idiots team of old

 

Also the dodgers said they were out on Grienke and then they signed him so until swisher is signed im thinking the sox are still in the picture

[BSN07]

Nick Swisher has never seen the Red Sox "as a likely landing spot," reports Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe (Twitter link). Boston is one of several teams -- including the Phillies, Orioles, Guardians, Rangers and Mariners -- linked to the free agent slugger this winter.

 

They probably won't go as many years as other teams will. I'm guessing he winds up in Seatlle or Texas.