Josh Johnson and Mark Buerhle dealt to Jays

[BSN07]

And before everyone freaks out, Toronto's team is built pretty similar to the Miami Marlins team of last season and how did that turn out in the NL East?

 

Jose and Mike wash each other out, Lawire- Ramirez isn't a massive leap in difference at 3B, Toronto's rotation is now JJ, Buerhle, Romero and ??, not exactly lights out. And they have the Speedy Reyes. He will probably be good for next couple seasons, by 2016-2017 22M a year is going to look absolutely awful.

 

This is a move for this season and next season. I think AA may be trying to save his job here.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I don't have the link because I don't use Twitter, but Mike Stanton wrote this last night, "Alright, I'm pissed off!!! Plain & Simple"

 

All I want for Xmas is a shiny new Mike Stanton in RF

 

I saw this tweet, and immediately retweeted it haha. I don't think the Marlins are getting rid of him anytime soon but like I said, I want him. Dude is a beast.

[BSN07]

If they are making moves to put the team up for sale then he will be available. If they are retooling and reinvest in this years FA pool and aren't selling the team then they probably won't move him.

[a700hitter]

Toronto's rotation is now JJ, Buerhle, Romero and ??, not exactly lights out.

Add that to Brandon Morrow, Haap, Drabeck, Alvarez and dustin McGowan and their pitching is pretty deep. Compare that to our pitching that has 4 starters -- Doubront is #4 and Lackey is coming off TJ surgery.

[jacksonianmarch]

I was against Josh Johnson at the deadline. I am against Jose Reyes, and Ross is better than Buck.

 

Johnson has made 30 starts twice in his career.

Reyes makes wayyy too much money. That would be Crawford all over again.

Buck sucks.

 

Buerhle is the only piece of the deal that I would have wanted. 200+ Innings, 12-14 Wins.

 

What they got was Josh Johnson on a 1 yr deal and Buerhle locked up. If Johnson kicks ass, you could re-sign him or get a pick for him. If he's hurt, you still likely offer him the QO and see if he bites for another yr. His issue has always been health. If healthy, he's good. Reyes does make way too much money, but he plays a crucial position on the diamond, plays it well and hits well above the mean. Buck and Ross would be a defensive minded tandem with some pop.

 

I am surprised the sox didnt poke their head in and offer up Salty, Doubront, Iglesias, Brentz and maybe Owens

[MDF3530]

All those contracts are massively back-loaded.

 

Toronto got suckered so bad in that deal you'd think Gord Ash was still their GM.

[redsoxrules]

All those contracts are massively back-loaded.

 

Toronto got suckered so bad in that deal you'd think Gord Ash was still their GM.

 

There's only 1 long term contract in there.

 

the only gamble is Reyes .

 

 

Johnson has 1 year and Mark B has 3 .

And Mark B is consistent and always throws over 200 IP .

[SCM33]

There's only 1 long term contract in there.

 

the only gamble is Reyes .

 

 

Johnson has 1 year and Mark B has 3 .

And Mark B is consistent and always throws over 200 IP .

 

Well, there are a couple of ways of looking at it.

 

You could argue that there is only 1 guarantee there.

 

Buerhle is solid, Johnson will most likely get hurt and Reyes has an awful contract that they are now stuck with.

[Bellhorn04]

Fast upgrades are damn expensive these days. The Jays had to part with some prospects and $150 million. It's a bold and risky move. But if I'm a Jays fan, I like it a lot, absolutely. They've been trying the cheap and patient approach for a long time now and it's yielded squat. Their golden days in 1992-93 came with Pat Gillick at the helm and a big budget, with splashy quick fixes like Dave Winfield, Paul Molitor, Jack Morris and Dave Cone.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Giancarlo and Bryce via twitter about the trade

 

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[Station 13]

LMAO Loria blowing off reporters. This guy is a real piece of work. What a jerk.

[BSN07]

If it wasn't the Marlins that did this, it wouldn't be as big of a story. It be a last place team casting off it's expensive contracts in order to rebuild.

 

But when you add all the other s*** in there it's just awful for Marlins fan. Loria says he's not selling the team. I'm not buying that either. The only way I don't see him selling is if he goes back in a reinvests this year in FA. Who knows, maybe he plans on getting Arod to come to Miami and add Hamilton as well? Weirder s*** has happened. Stanton/Hamilton/Arod would be an interesting start to a lineup.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Loria has no reason to sell. He makes a good buck off of baseball's revenue sharing. Keeping a scarce payroll only helps that bottom line.

[jacksonianmarch]

BSN, Loria committed fraud, effectively. You have one of the worst hit states during the recession paying 80% of a half billion dollar stadium. He sells them the line of crap that they new revenue will allow for them to be a big market club. He goes out and signs big name players to huge deals with moderate money in yr 1. This was all planned. He lied through his teeth and used the taxpayers to increase the worth of the team. He should be investigated for fraud

[rjortiz]

BSN, Loria committed fraud, effectively. You have one of the worst hit states during the recession paying 80% of a half billion dollar stadium. He sells them the line of crap that they new revenue will allow for them to be a big market club. He goes out and signs big name players to huge deals with moderate money in yr 1. This was all planned. He lied through his teeth and used the taxpayers to increase the worth of the team. He should be investigated for fraud

 

Fraud? Give me a break.

[BSN07]

Reyes included too.

 

This is Cherringtons baby. And the Jays just stole it.

 

Not one, but two very good pitching options off the market from Cherrington. All for the cost of a homophobic and mediocre starting shortstop and Toronto's #8 prospect.

 

Hello last place.

 

If this trade happens then the Sox fall a little further behind a division rival. The Jays will be adding two quality arms to their rotation and an all-star SS. It just made the Sox job back to respectibility a lot harder. If all three are healthy the Jays just improved their team a lot.

 

Ben... Wake up!

 

I don't know what the patient approach means. Does that mean that we just build through the draft? The Red Sox have to get back to competitiveness and respectability. We don't have to be the odds on favorites in Vegas, but they need to get back to respectability fast. The Jays just put some huge room between us. Cherington is just too slow on the trigger. I can't imagine how he didn't get in on some of those players.

 

[BSN07]

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meh I'm not sure I would have wanted the Sox in on that. Big bold move by Toronto though. Miami can pretty much kiss any high talent FA's wanting to go there. Even if Miami is willing to offer big bucks.

 

If I was Reyes I would be pissed. Warm latin base community for snow, moose and Canadian bacon...

 

And before everyone freaks out, Toronto's team is built pretty similar to the Miami Marlins team of last season and how did that turn out in the NL East?

 

Jose and Mike wash each other out, Lawire- Ramirez isn't a massive leap in difference at 3B, Toronto's rotation is now JJ, Buerhle, Romero and ??, not exactly lights out. And they have the Speedy Reyes. He will probably be good for next couple seasons, by 2016-2017 22M a year is going to look absolutely awful.

 

This is a move for this season and next season. I think AA may be trying to save his job here.

 

Add that to Brandon Morrow, Haap, Drabeck, Alvarez and dustin McGowan and their pitching is pretty deep. Compare that to our pitching that has 4 starters -- Doubront is #4 and Lackey is coming off TJ surgery.

 

[rjortiz]

It's May 2nd.

[User Name]

Do you really think the trade is going to look good by season's end though? The Jays have buried themselves into such a deep hole early that it's unlikely. Couple that with Reyes being out so long, JJ having physical issues, Buehrle getting shelled early (and often) and it's really unlikely that they'll climb out of the hole.

[Bellhorn04]

The Jays big offseason does look like a disastrous failure at this point.

[Palodios]

 

No backpedaling here. The Red Sox needed pitching. The Jays got a pile of it for very little. The Red Sox have been extremely lucky with their starting pitching so far, and hopefully that continues. Unless you called out Buchholz and Lester returning to elite form 100% of the time (which no one did) you can't justify an "I-told-you-so" here.

[a700hitter]

It's May1st, Buehrle will end up with 11-15 wins and 3.75 - 4.24 ERA like he does every year. Josh Johnson's only challenge is staying healthy. It's still early, and our depth options of Aceves, Rubby, Wright and Webster are looking like we only have 1 decent option, so good health is a key. Things could break right and we get no injuries, but that hasn't happened since 2004. This is a great fun run, but a number of you are playing gotcha on May 1st? Seriously? I'll gladly eat your s*** in September if we are still in 1st place. Until then, can't you just enjoy baseball without this s***?

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'm not going to try to rationalize my anger earlier.

 

I was wrong. Plain and simple, I was wrong. The Jays suck. Their pitching is terrible.

[BSN07]

No backpedaling here. The Red Sox needed pitching. The Jays got a pile of it for very little. The Red Sox have been extremely lucky with their starting pitching so far, and hopefully that continues. Unless you called out Buchholz and Lester returning to elite form 100% of the time (which no one did) you can't justify an "I-told-you-so" here.

 

They got it for very little? How about the gave up a ton of money and prospects to bring in JJ, Mark B, Dickey, and Reyes and have gotten nothing so far for it and Gibbons is already on the hot seat.

 

Lester- 19-9 220 IP 3.30 ERA

Buchholz- 18-10 200 IP 3.60 ERA

 

Those are my predictions for Lester and Buchholz this season from the predictions thread. Idk if that's "elite" level or not. Needless to say both have exceeded expectations so far.

[italstallianion]

Don't forget some more money thrown at Melky Cabrera which hasn't panned out thus far.

 

And Jose Reyes had good numbers before getting injured. Also RA Dickey's numbers seemed to have recovered a little. Buerhle, Johnson, and Cabrera though appear to be unmitigated disasters to this point.

[italstallianion]

The Blue Jays/Marlins trade was:

 

Josh Johnson (0-1 6.86)

Mark Buerhle (1-2 6.43)

Jose Reyes (.395/.465/.526/.991)

John Buck (.264/.296/.593/.889) Traded to Mets in Dickey deal I'll highlight next.

Emilio Bonifacio (.179/.222/.313/.536)

 

for

 

Jeff Mathis (DL all season)

Adeiny Hechavarria (.184/.231/.286/.516)

Henderson Alvarez (DL all season)

Yunel Escobar (.173/.230/.284/.514) but traded to Rays for Derek Dietrich, a SS who was the Rays 2nd round pick of 2010 draft. I think he was the pick taken right before Nicolino.

Jake Marisnick (on 1/29/2013 list, #70 on MLB's top 100 prospects list) 22 y/o OF, Toronto's 3rd round pick of 2009 draft.

Anthony DeScalfani (Currently pitching in High-A for Marlins)

Justin Nicolino (on 1/29/2013 list, #72 on MLB's top 100 prospects list) 21 y/o LHP, Toronto's 2nd round pick of 2010 draft.

 

The Marlins chipped in some money but the Jays are on the hook for a lot.

[a700hitter]

The Blue Jays/Marlins trade was:

 

Josh Johnson (0-1 6.86)

Mark Buerhle (1-2 6.43)

Jose Reyes (.395/.465/.526/.991)

John Buck (.264/.296/.593/.889) Traded to Mets in Dickey deal I'll highlight next.

Emilio Bonifacio (.179/.222/.313/.536)

 

for

 

Jeff Mathis (DL all season)

Adeiny Hechavarria (.184/.231/.286/.516)

Henderson Alvarez (DL all season)

Yunel Escobar (.173/.230/.284/.514) but traded to Rays for Derek Dietrich, a SS who was the Rays 2nd round pick of 2010 draft. I think he was the pick taken right before Nicolino.

Jake Marisnick (on 1/29/2013 list, #70 on MLB's top 100 prospects list) 22 y/o OF, Toronto's 3rd round pick of 2009 draft.

Anthony DeScalfani (Currently pitching in High-A for Marlins)

Justin Nicolino (on 1/29/2013 list, #72 on MLB's top 100 prospects list) 21 y/o LHP, Toronto's 2nd round pick of 2010 draft.

 

The Marlins chipped in some money but the Jays are on the hook for a lot.

It was a salary dump.

[rjortiz]

Do you really think the trade is going to look good by season's end though? The Jays have buried themselves into such a deep hole early that it's unlikely. Couple that with Reyes being out so long, JJ having physical issues, Buehrle getting shelled early (and often) and it's really unlikely that they'll climb out of the hole.

 

The 2006 Boston Red Sox started the season 20-12, and wound up finishing in 3rd. The 2005 New York Yankees started the season 11-19, but finished the season with 95 wins. I don't think the Blue Jays will climb out of the hole they are currently in. However, to post two messages, less than a month into the season is completely ridiculous.

[a700hitter]

I wonder if the 2013 Blue Jays have the same motto as the 2012 Red Sox: "Sooner or later we are going to go on a run.":lol: They need to get Bobby V to manage them and it would be a replica of the 2012 red Sox.

[italstallianion]

The Blue Jays/Mets trade was:

 

RA Dickey (2-4 4.50)

Josh Thole (career .261/.331/.333/.664)

Mike Nickeas (career .180/.241/.238/.479)

 

for

 

John Buck (.264/.296/.593/.889)

Noah Syndergaard RHP BlueJays 38th overall pick in 2010 draft. Prior to last season he was ranked by MLB.com as the 95th best prospect in baseball.

Travis d'Arnaud (on 1/29/2013 list, #6 on MLB's top 100 prospect list) He was also in the Roy Halladay deal.

Wuilmer Becerra was ranked 30th in Blue Jays system prior to trade.