Yankees 2012-2013 Offseason Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

A healthy Pronk in Yankee Stadium would be ridiculous. Alas, a healthy Pronk became extinct after 2007

[rjortiz]

I like this deal for the Yankees. He's a good asset against right-handed pitching.

[BSN07]

Any kind of LHH power threat instantly has value for the Yanks a YS imo. Would be a solid sign.

[BSN07]

I'm reading everywhere Yanks are trying to void Arods deal. Thoughts in general from our Yankee mates here on the board?

[Meh]

I'm reading everywhere Yanks are trying to void Arods deal. Thoughts in general from our Yankee mates here on the board?

 

Hell Yes. I don't think they'll void it, but it seems like if he sits out this year and they can pay a doctor off they can buy him out for 15% and insurance will pick up the rest of his deal. Which would be like Christmas morning for the Yankees.

[Laser Show]

Hell Yes. I don't think they'll void it, but it seems like if he sits out this year and they can pay a doctor off they can buy him out for 15% and insurance will pick up the rest of his deal. Which would be like Christmas morning for the Yankees.

 

Why is it possible they can void his deal if he misses the whole season? Players with bad deals (John Lackey for example) miss seasons fairly often and voiding their contracts never comes up.

[Meh]

Why is it possible they can void his deal if he misses the whole season? Players with bad deals (John Lackey for example) miss seasons fairly often and voiding their contracts never comes up.

 

Not void. collect the insurance as a career ending injury. He sits out a year and then comes back in 2014 with a different team, but idk we'll see.

[Palodios]

Not void. collect the insurance as a career ending injury. He sits out a year and then comes back in 2014 with a different team, but idk we'll see.

 

I just don't understand the whole situation. Teams have had bad players on bad contracts for a long time, and no one else had out clauses. All the reports I've heard state that insurance companies won't touch players past the 4th year of the deal, and most of them only go up to 50% coverage, but somehow the Yankees get 85% for all years? There is a good deal of false information going out about this situation.

[BSN07]

I just don't understand the whole situation. Teams have had bad players on bad contracts for a long time, and no one else had out clauses. All the reports I've heard state that insurance companies won't touch players past the 4th year of the deal, and most of them only go up to 50% coverage, but somehow the Yankees get 85% for all years? There is a good deal of false information going out about this situation.

 

The Yankees are probably paying a pretty high premium to get that kind of coverage.

[mvp 78]

How many years were the O's paying Albert Belle after his career ended? Why should the Yanks be treated differently?

[Meh]

I just don't understand the whole situation. Teams have had bad players on bad contracts for a long time, and no one else had out clauses. All the reports I've heard state that insurance companies won't touch players past the 4th year of the deal, and most of them only go up to 50% coverage, but somehow the Yankees get 85% for all years? There is a good deal of false information going out about this situation.

 

Well I'm sure the price for that insurance was pretty high. I remember the Yankees only ended up paying Pavano $11.35 million of his $39.95 million deal. Granted that was only a four year deal and 40 million, not 270 million.

[jacksonianmarch]

How many years were the O's paying Albert Belle after his career ended? Why should the Yanks be treated differently?

 

Belle's money was mostly paid by insurance. The Yankees are hoping ARod goes down the Belle path way

[pinstripezac]

I just don't understand the whole situation. Teams have had bad players on bad contracts for a long time, and no one else had out clauses. All the reports I've heard state that insurance companies won't touch players past the 4th year of the deal, and most of them only go up to 50% coverage, but somehow the Yankees get 85% for all years? There is a good deal of false information going out about this situation.

 

 

a good deal of false information going out about

 

definitely the understatement of the yr

 

FWIW B4 this week I was under the impression

 

with these long contracts you could only insure a guy 3 or 4 years at a time

 

like U said it still doesn't explain the ''85% for all years''

 

especally considering he already had hip issues

 

but I'm guessing if one is willing to pay enough

 

one can get coverage for most anying

 

 

interesting to find out (read only once) durring the napoli saga

 

sox don't insure their players

[Northern Star]

Not void. collect the insurance as a career ending injury. He sits out a year and then comes back in 2014 with a different team, but idk we'll see.

 

Pretty sure the insurance company will be asking for their money back if he comes back from a "career ending" injury.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees dealt Abraham Almonte to the Mariners for Shawn Kelley. Kelley is a RH reliever who has been pretty solid for the M's in their MiLB system and has put up solid numbers thus far in parts of 4 seasons in the bigs. Low 90s heat with a good slider, he projects to earn a spot in middle relief

[jacksonianmarch]

Unfortunately one of the Yankees backups for the 3b position has already gone down for an undisclosed amount of time with a back injury. David Adams, who has been made of glass, wrenched his back and will miss big league camp. When healthy, he rakes and plays good D, but an ankle injury and now this back issue are setting him back. I hope he is ready when the season starts because he's probably the best RH portion of a platoon if Youk gets hurt early on.

[jete02fan]

Robbie tops the FA Power Rankings.....2014 Free Agent Power Rankings Rumors

 

 

2014 Free Agent Power Rankings

By Tim Dierkes [February 11, 2013 at 12:00am CST]

Here at MLBTR, we're always looking ahead. As the 2012-13 offseason winds down, we've already got an eye on players scheduled to reach free agency after the 2013 campaign. The full list can be found here; enjoy our first entry in the new 2014 Free Agents Power Rankings series below.

 

1. Robinson Cano. Cano is the clear number one choice, a corner type bat at a middle infield position. 2014 will be his age 31 season, and agent Scott Boras is surely licking his chops with an eight-year megacontract in the $200MM range within his sights. Should the Yankees allow Cano to reach the open market, I expect the Dodgers to be players.

 

2. Adam Wainwright. Wainwright stands as the best pitcher scheduled to become available after the 2013 season. Wainwright's Tommy John surgery is firmly in the rearview mirror, having taken place two full years ago. If he returns to a Cy Young level in 2013, he's looking at Greinke money or better. The Cardinals, however, aim to keep Wainwright off the market by locking him up prior to Opening Day.

 

3. Josh Johnson. Here's where the rankings get debatable. 2013 is crucial for Johnson, who had a pretty good 2012 after missing much of the previous season with a shoulder injury. Traded to the Blue Jays in November, Johnson can be among the game's best power pitchers when he's right. He can also move down this list quickly with a serious DL stint.

 

4. Jacoby Ellsbury. Ellsbury's detractors will point to significant time missed due to rib and shoulder injuries in 2010 and '12. On the other hand, 2014 is his age 30 season and he finished second in the 2011 MVP vote with a massive nine-win season. With a healthy '13, Boras might be able to talk his way around Ellsbury's previous injuries.

 

5. Roy Halladay. One of the game's best pitchers from 2006-11, Doc slipped in 2012 due to a shoulder injury. Halladay will be 37 for most of the 2014 season, but he doesn't operate on the same plane as other pitchers. Assuming he doesn't rack up 259 regular season innings this year, Halladay's 2014 option will not vest and he'll be a free agent. His potential impact this year remains large.

 

6. Shin-Soo Choo. Choo was sent from the Guardians to the Reds as part of a three-team December trade. An arbitration hearing looms prior to his contract year season. He may be out of his element, playing in the National League and manning center field regularly for the first time in his big league career. One knock he'll try to overcome is his struggles against lefties -- he's hit just .239/.329/.318 against them over the last three years. Still, he could put up strong offensive numbers overall atop the Reds' lineup.

 

7. Brian McCann. McCann underwent shoulder surgery in mid-October, but the Braves had enough confidence to exercise his $12MM option the following month. If he returns to form, he'll be an elite offensive catcher playing at age 30 in 2014. He has a chance to move up this list once he returns from the injury.

 

8. Tim Lincecum. There was a time not long ago that Lincecum was a candidate to become baseball's first $200MM pitcher, with a pair of Cy Youngs under his belt. However, 2012 was a career-worst season for Lincecum, who averaged below 91 miles per hour on his fastball, walked 4.4 per nine innings, and allowed nearly a hit per inning. Since he'll pitch at age 30 in 2014 and has never been hurt, he gets the benefit of the doubt for now and a top ten spot.

 

9. Matt Garza. Garza had also been cruising toward a big payday until 2012, when an elbow injury derailed his season. He's another guy who will play at age 30 in '14 and is entering a pivotal contract year. A midseason trade could benefit Garza greatly, erasing the issue of a qualifying offer.

 

10. Hunter Pence. Pence hit 24 home runs and drove in 104 runs in 2012, but it was still an off-year as he struggled mightily upon being traded to the Giants. If he posts an offensive line around his career average, he'll be in good shape entering free agency aside from a potential qualifying offer concern.

 

These rankings will change significantly throughout the season, with so many players entering critical contract years. Some players with a chance to muscle their way into my top ten include Curtis Granderson, Nelson Cruz, Carlos Gomez, Corey Hart, and Phil Hughes. I'm not ranking Ben Zobrist, Chris B. Young, Jon Lester, or James Shields here in anticipation of their club options being exercised after the season

[Bellhorn04]

The jete man! What's up dude?

[jacksonianmarch]

Hughes has a bulging disc in his back and will be set back for a week.

[BSN07]

Hughes has a bulging disc in his back and will be set back for a week.

 

A bulging disk only will set him back a week? I think that's fairly optimistic(not directed at you Jacko, just whomever reported the injury and time table).

[jacksonianmarch]

A bulging disk only will set him back a week? I think that's fairly optimistic(not directed at you Jacko, just whomever reported the injury and time table).

 

They adjusted it to 2 weeks. It isnt that out of the ordinary. 90% of disc bulges are treated with conservative management, only 10% require injections or surgery. For you and I, this injury would still bother us for 2-4 weeks, for those who are exposed to world class PT, it could be sooner. I bet they have him on a mound throwing softly come the second week of March. That will be the biggest test, IMO. If he gets back on the mound and his pain is minimal, then he'll resume standard activities. If he is still in pain come mid March, then he's in trouble. He's in a contract yr, so my guess is he is gonna try to gut this out

[Dom]

If this doesn't turn out to be serious there's a good chance something else will. Since Hughes was drafted in 2004, how many years has he not had some kind of a significant injury? Two? This is at least the third time he's had issues with his back.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

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[Dom]

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[RedSoxfanforlife305]

LMAO

[Divinity]

The New York Yankees have talked to Robinson Cano's agent about a "significant" long-term contract for the star second baseman, owner Hal Steinbrenner said.

 

The Yankees traditionally refuse to negotiate any extensions on existing contracts, but Steinbrenner repeatedly has indicated that he might make an exception for Cano, who is set to become a free agent after the 2013 season.

 

Steinbrenner, who said earlier this month that there had been "a conversation or two" about Cano, confirmed Tuesday that the Yankees talked with the second baseman's agent, Scott Boras.

 

"We expressed to Scott how much we liked Robbie and what a great Yankee he's been, and we hope he continues his career here for a long time to come," Steinbrenner told reporters, according to Newsday. "We just indicated to him, on a very preliminary basis, that we were willing to consider a significant long-term contract, and left it at that".

 

Told ya a couple month's ago he's not anywhere Jacko, heh.

[BSN07]

Told ya a couple month's ago he's not anywhere Jacko, heh.

 

To get him to sign before free agency the Yanks are going to have to bend over a barrel. They are certainly capable of doing that and giving into whatever Boras wants. But do you really want them too? He's 31. This is Arod(minus all the PED stuff) all over again. Cano is good now and you don't want him playing anywhere else. But when he's 38-39 getting 25M a year it won't be worth it. Right now in his prime he's an offensive threat but can be very streaky. Fast forward a few years and this deal could be making the annual "worst contract in baseball" columns.

 

I'd be torn if I was a Yankee fan too. I'd want him but not at Boras's price.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's 30, just turned it. But your other sentiments are true. That being said, I doubt he's getting $25 mil per yr for 8 yrs. He might get $25 mil for 6 yrs, especially if the Yankees are willing to rip up 2013's deal which calls for only $15 million. I bet Boras is looking for a Tex type deal if he's gonna go 8 yrs, though. Somewhere in the vicinity of $23 mil per yr if he goes out that long. I bet he's going to sign for 6yrs $150 mil but AFTER 2013. Regardless, if he does that, we're looking at 3 prime yrs and 3 yrs of decline, which would suck with Sabathia, ARod and Tex still on payroll and in decline during Robby's first yr on the decline

[jacksonianmarch]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/8968271/new-york-yankees-hal-steinbrenner-shows-spirit-boss

 

And it looks like the financials arent making sense for them to stay under the lux tax anymore with 3 more teams not expected to be eligible for revenue sharing, hence the revenue sharing rebate will be lower and their loss of revenue will be significant.

[BSN07]

He's 30, just turned it. But your other sentiments are true. That being said, I doubt he's getting $25 mil per yr for 8 yrs. He might get $25 mil for 6 yrs, especially if the Yankees are willing to rip up 2013's deal which calls for only $15 million. I bet Boras is looking for a Tex type deal if he's gonna go 8 yrs, though. Somewhere in the vicinity of $23 mil per yr if he goes out that long. I bet he's going to sign for 6yrs $150 mil but AFTER 2013. Regardless, if he does that, we're looking at 3 prime yrs and 3 yrs of decline, which would suck with Sabathia, ARod and Tex still on payroll and in decline during Robby's first yr on the decline

 

I think 6/150M is extremely optimistic. And no way imo he signs after 2013 season when he can wait mere weeks to let the open market set his value. If the Yankees want to take him off the market they are going to pay through the nose. Tex deal+. If he had another agent it be a different story. No way Boras let's him take a discount on what will probably be his only time on the market in the midst of his prime.

 

I still believe given the chance the Dodgers are going to give a blank check to Cano next offseason.