8/3 Vs The Choos

[kapsis21]

Keep acting like that and someone will buy you MLB TV premium.

 

Didn't someone have a Sig last year

[NativeBostonian]

Dear God, why did my mother have to teach me this sport. All it's done is given me pain and agony.

[jung]

This is a heartless, gutless shell of a baseball team. They just actually do not know how to win baseball games...they just don't. They have no idea. While their pitching is terrible there are games they are in and have a chance to win and they simply have no idea how to win them....none what-so-ever.

 

I am terrified to think what the actually season record in wins and losses will be when this is done.

[SoxFanForsyth]

This is exactly why the Red Sox aren't making the PS this year.

[a700hitter]

Under .500 and fighting hard for last place on August 3rd.

[Station 13]

why weren't they sellers? *******s.

[kapsis21]

Momentum. The team needs to learn this word.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Dear God' date=' why did my mother have to teach me this sport. All it's done is given me pain and agony.[/quote']

 

I ask myself the same thing, and then I remember that she taught it to me in exchange for the sex.

 

[kapsis21]

This is a heartless, gutless shell of a baseball team. They just actually do not know how to win baseball games...they just don't. They have no idea. While their pitching is terrible there are games they are in and have a chance to win and they simply have no idea how to win them....none what-so-ever.

 

I am terrified to think what the actually season record in wins and losses will be when this is done.

 

Worst part is they are as healthy as they can be....yet same old thing like you mentioned. Gutless and font know how to win

[a700hitter]

This is a heartless, gutless shell of a baseball team. They just actually do not know how to win baseball games...they just don't. They have no idea. While their pitching is terrible there are games they are in and have a chance to win and they simply have no idea how to win them....none what-so-ever.

 

I am terrified to think what the actually season record in wins and losses will be when this is done.

 

I went to opening day at Citifield this year. On the way back from the game, I was listening to WFAN the NY sports talk station. The host (I forget his name) was talking about the Red Sox, and on opening day he predicted that we would not be a .500 team this season. He said that the Sox would not make the play offs an that this eas just not a good team-- bad pitching and just not very good. I remember being shocked that this guy was going out on a limb like this on Opening Day. He was emphatic about it. I had big concerns about the pitching myself, and I was still shell shocked from last September. Still, I had not considered the possibility of being under .500. I remember thinking that if this guy was right, it would be a miserable season. He dissected the whole team very objectively and compared us to our division and the Angels, Tigers etc. It was like he took off my fan glasses and made me look at what they are and not what I as a fan thought about them. What I heard really bothered me. I put it out of my mind and put back on my fan glasses. Each day as the season wears on. his words echo louder and louder.

[a700hitter]

In order to win 88 games this season, the Red Sox need to play at a .636 clip until the end of the season. I don't think they have that kind of run in them. They just don't have the starting horses to send to the mound necessary to get on a prolonged good run. When the FO didn't get a starter for this team, they were sending a message that they didn't believe in the team.

[SemperFi Sox]

LOL

 

that is all

[jung]

why weren't they sellers?

 

Heck maybe this will work out...it should be pretty transparent at this point....they will do whatever it takes to maintain the illusion of going someplace in order to put fannies in seats even when they are absolutely done and dusted. Hence they are not even able to take what advantage there might be in selling and making their chances better in another year....an appallingly bad organization that has built an appallingly bad team and spend a tremendous amount of money doing it is now unwilling to spend more because it eats into their ill gotten gains...I say ill gotten gains because a sports franchise that is not committed to generating revenue and winning does not deserve its fan base. Fine...generate revenue but generate it by putting a good product on the field, not by simply using the team's good name, and its loyal fan base to bilk them under false pretenses. As I said in another thread, these guys are carpetbaggers...scalawags. They are actually becoming an embarrassment on the scale of the LA Dodgers and the Mets. The only difference is that the Sox still fill the league's coffers with gold. If it were not for that, they would be on there way to the ignominious end that befell the Dodgers ownership.

 

They have finally done it. I am ashamed of them. This has gone past embarrassment...I am ashamed of them and ashamed that we as fans have not held them to a higher standard. Not trying to blame the fans cause we have been the sheep led to the sheering....they won't even give us the peace that comes with death.....no no no no no....you can only kill sheep once...you can sheer them forever if you are sinister enough to think about your loyal fans/customers that way. Just keep them on life support long enough for next season's sheering...heck lets toss in some bat sales and some brick sales and we will have our Red Sox HOF inductees so that you gullible fans are reminded of those few cherished memories in hopes that you forget the bums wearing your laundry today.

 

I made the mistake of chastising the media today for doing their level best to make this even worse. Forget it...have at it media...rip into them with both hands....take unfair advantage of them.....I just don't believe there is a way back up unless they find absolute rock bottom and are left with their pants down around their ankles and their lilly white asses hangin' out in the breeze.

 

Lets not even get me started on the players.

[SemperFi Sox]

Guys, calm the f*** down. Cherington got Breslow for a reason, he'll save the day. He was the missing piece, the reason we've been under .500 since the beginning of last August.

[DocHolliday]

I went to opening day at Citifield this year. On the way back from the game' date=' I was listening to WFAN the NY sports talk station. The host (I forget his name) was talking about the Red Sox, and on opening day he predicted that we would not be a .500 team this season. He said that the Sox would not make the play offs an that this eas just not a good team-- bad pitching and just not very good. I remember being shocked that this guy was going out on a limb like this on Opening Day. He was emphatic about it. I had big concerns about the pitching myself, and I was still shell shocked from last September. Still, I had not considered the possibility of being under .500. I remember thinking that if this guy was right, it would be a miserable season. He dissected the whole team very objectively and compared us to our division and the Angels, Tigers etc. It was like he took off my fan glasses and made me look at what they are and not what I as a fan thought about them. What I heard really bothered me. I put it out of my mind and put back on my fan glasses. Each day as the season wears on. his words echo louder and louder.[/quote']

 

I think it's about time for ownership and the front office to take off their fan glasses too and see this situation for what it really is. As fans, we will always have a part of us that grips to hope that our team will overcome struggles- no matter how realistic that hope is.

 

My hope now is that this organization will sincerely admit its faults and begin repairing the damage they have given to so many passionate and caring people.

[a700hitter]

I know that it is irrational emotion, but I hope their soccer team sucks it big time.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Absolutely no excuse to lose tonight.

[jung]

I don't blame you 700. I have no desire to see these guys succeed at anything. They don't deserve success.

 

Look at this Beckett situation with his back...another sham...another effort to keep us buying tickets, buying bats, bricks, jerseys whatever. I said when it happened that he would be on he shelf for at least two weeks and likely longer. Today we are finally told that he has not even touched a baseball since the muscle spasm (singular). Not a surprise to me. I fully expected him to be out for an extended period. The Sox still had him slated to pitch Sunday even though there was no chance of him pitching in that game and they knew it.

 

As for the players....this "we will just have to try again tomorrow" stuff has just gotten old. They won't know more about winning games tomorrow than they know about winning them today. They are with few exceptions ill prepared for their plate appearances seemingly oblivious to the opponent pitcher and the situation. They have some good ballplayers but they are just surrounded by substandard players and the team is not prepared to play as a team...against anybody.

 

I don't know at this point if nobody in that clubhouse listens to V or if V does not try to lead at all. Does V have a plan that he shares with his coaches instructing his coaches to prepare the players a certain way? Do the coaches ignore his instructions or do the players ignore both the coaches and V? or is there no plan communicated to the players either directly or through the coaches.

 

I suspect that V had a plan or maybe even still has a plan for how he wants the Sox to play but that both the coaches and the players ignore him with impunity having been empowered by management to do so.

 

I suspect that as much as Pedey for example is a dirt dog and a heck of a player that he does not have the capacity to understand how much damage he was doing to this team with the "we don't do things that way around here nonsense". He with the help of management took the manager off the table as a relevant factor and the players can play but they can't manage and play. They can't formulate game tactics designed to take best advantage of what they represent as a group of independent assets. They don't know how to do that and even if they did they would be so focused on their individual goals and ambitions that they would not do it anyway. It is the managers job and one that was not done here. As you can tell, my view of it is that V was dead on arrival and was not allowed to do that job. He may be the wrong guy. I am not a V guy. However they never gave him a chance and in fact buried themselves along side their manager much as they did last year. I guess they are not even capable of learning from their mistakes.

 

While the starting pitching appears to be for the most part an issue of talent with the guys we have simply not as talented as we had hoped, the everyday players could have played better than they have shown if they went to the plate with a plan and with preparation. Yes for some of them it is talent or talent lacking as well. I think something has happened to Agons and he is not the power hitter we had hoped he would be. I think his issue is likely physical in some sense. Crawford has continued with injury, known before he came here but I also think he has never gotten comfortable enough here to get himself on track But injury aside he may actually be on track at this point. I am inclined to think that the biggest problem with Crawford is the same problem most of then have at this point. They do not have a specific plan for their plate appearances and simply go on up there to take their hacks. That is it. The reason so many of them look like they have the same problem is because they have the same problem. There is no cohesive offensive effort that I can recognize or identify. In addition the suffer from the fact that the team itself is poorly constructed having the wrong assets to play 81 games in Fenway Park and in truth are to much of a hodgepodge to play well for any real length of time anywhere. However they are least capable of playing in Fenway, their home park which is why the record is worse in Fenway than on the road.

 

I refuse to believe that V did not recognize that designing a plan for how the team would develop a cohesive offensive effort is a part of the manager's function and I refuse to believe he did not try. I am inclined to believe he was blocked by both the coaches and the players empowered by management....all of them to naive and unsophisticated in their understanding of what organizations need to prevent them from completely imploding. I believe they all in their own way and for their own purposes believed that V would emerge as a larger than life scapegoat than even Tito was last year. In my view Upper Management's purpose was to put up a facade of being focused on winning in order to continue on their merry way marketing the brand that is the Red Sox and generating as much revenue from that effort as possible. Maintaining this facade allows them to maximize their ticket, TV and merchandizing revenue streams while still giving them a scapegoat for the failures of the team on the field. They can maintain the notion that they are justified in not spending more money on the team because of their existing commitments when in fact they really could spend more money. They would lose some revenue but they could spend more money. Nobody has got a gun to their heads with regard to this LT cap nonsense.

 

The players simply want their easy life in the clubhouse regardless of the fact that they had it under Tito and buried Tito. They literally want their cake and eat it to. So for them, the goal was to run V out of town as fast as he came into town defining for Management exactly how far they are willing to go to maintain the cushy status quo. The coaches simply were Tito guys now stuck with V, the antithesis of Tito. For the coaches I suspect they saw it as survival. If V survived he would ultimately be allowed to choose at least some of his coaches. So their vested interest in running V out of town on a rail was to stay employed and get a Manager back in here that would have empathy for their situation and want them aboard. Heck maybe even one of them would be chosen. BC was chosen from within wasn't he?

 

So as groups they all had their reasons for burying V but they have not escaped unscathed. It has all gone to badly for that and none of the knowledgeable fans are willing to believe that this is V's fault.

 

The damage is done now. We are left sifting through the ashes of a completely demolished team and another disaster of a season. It will be interesting to see what happens next.