Two Days Left Until the Trading Deadline. What should the Sox do? Cast Your Vote

[a700hitter]

I am interested in where people stand two days before the trading deadline. It seems that there is little hope left.

[a700hitter]

:lol:All voters and their votes will be identified.

[rhfil]

Trade Beckett, Sweeney, Aviles, Shoppach, Melancon, and Ellsbury. There is a guy in the Cubs' management who might be willing to take Beckett. Ellsbury only has one more year before he is gone. Time to get something for him is now. Aviles can be replaced by either Ciriacco or Iglesias. Bring up Posednick or trade him. I would even consider trading Ortiz. His grandstanding and complaining really bug me. Sox need players who appreciate being on the team instead of players who think the team should appreciate their being on it.

[SoxSport]

I think they'll stand pat--because they have a status quo front office which thinks nothing is wrong, and also because I think the front office still has no money to spend. They won't take salary dumps for prospects. The caveat is maybe LL/Henry feels it's imperative to do something reasonably big for PR. They have been taking huge PR hits the last few days.

[iortiz]

Time to let the rats run.

[SemperFi Sox]

reacquire Lillibridge

[redsox6770]

Resign jd drew to a 7 year 142 million dollar contract and a bag of d batteries and Pedro martinet to a 12 year 200 million dollar contract then send jd to the phils for worley and hamels phils will eat all of hamelsl contract and take on dress then we send Pedro to the mariners for king felix? Teams could bite on this

[example1]

If we really think they should do a significant rebuilding then it doesn't matter to me whether that happens right now or in the offseason. in fact, if they can get more of some players in the offseason then they should wait.

 

However, I would like to see them use their leverage with other teams (who need key pieces) and now squander guys like Ross, who can leave after the season anyway. If Cherrington is going to hold onto Ross, he better be damn sure that he can and will resign him. Otherwise, trade him now.

[a700hitter]

If we really think they should do a significant rebuilding then it doesn't matter to me whether that happens right now or in the offseason. in fact, if they can get more of some players in the offseason then they should wait.

 

However, I would like to see them use their leverage with other teams (who need key pieces) and now squander guys like Ross, who can leave after the season anyway. If Cherrington is going to hold onto Ross, he better be damn sure that he can and will resign him. Otherwise, trade him now.

Some players have no commitment beyond this season, so yes they would get more now. After the season, they will get nothing. Also, selling now will give them the opportunity to play some guys like Iglesias and Lavarnway and give them valuable experience. Do you care about that? How did you vote?

[redsox6770]

I would be ok for them selling and if it took a little bit of time to rebuild so be it atleast it would be a new direction 2014 when players come off the books you buy and do not overpay

[example1]

Some players have no commitment beyond this season' date=' so yes they would get more now. After the season, they will get nothing. Also, selling now will give them the opportunity to play some guys like Iglesias and Lavarnway and give them valuable experience. Do you care about that? How did you vote?[/quote']

 

I do care about that, yes. I haven't voted yet. I brought up Ross in particular because I actually think he's the player who is most likely to be the type of guy a GOOD Sox team would have on it.

 

They can move Aviles, though I would also be happier with him as the utility guy... depending on what they could get for him.

 

Watching Lester last night, even with some mild struggles, did remind me that he's a damn good pitcher. His stuff is just a notch better than most others. Don't trade him. It was also clear that Shoppach is a considerably better receiver than Salty. I would be comfortable with them looking to move Salty and keeping Shoppach until Lavarnway is ready. Salty's a good bat but he's not Mike Piazza.

[example1]

I voted for "Sell" because I take "deadwood" to mean those who are laving after this year and who the Sox don't plan on resigning. I actually think its a combination of #2 and #3

[NativeBostonian]

I'm not too set on this, but I put buy. This may change after tonight. But, being only four games out, its hard for me to sell this team.

[Palodios]

I've been very vocal about this, but I think that they can keep core pieces, and shed some 1 year guys, and especially sell-high bullpen arms. Sell, but don't do anything that will hurt your chances in 2014.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I say buy.

 

1. If you're going to sell pieces like Beckett, Lester, etc, at least give them a chance to build their trade value. There's no sense in selling them at a discount because of a poor season. If you want to trade them during the offseason, I'm all for it. But for now, you're not going to get much of a return on either until they show they can still pitch.

 

2. Call me crazy, but I never count this team out until it is mathematically out of it. If we had a bunch of pitchers with s***** track records, fine. But this team isn't playing well because of underperformance, not lack of talent. And I will always debate that talent doesn't just disappears at the drop of a hat.

 

So, I say buy, but if you buy, go out and get a guy like Justin Masterson or Josh Johnson, not a rental.

[Palodios]

I say buy.

 

1. If you're going to sell pieces like Beckett, Lester, etc, at least give them a chance to build their trade value. There's no sense in selling them at a discount because of a poor season.

 

I posted this in the trade deadline thread, but it bears repeating:

 

Player A, age 31, known for being a big game pitcher

2011 2.82 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, .217 BAA

2012 4.52 ERA, 1.46 WHIP, .281 BAA

$10 mill options on each of the next two seasons.

 

Player B, age 32 known for actually being a big game pitcher.

2011 2.89 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, .211 BAA

2012 4.57 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, .263 BAA

$16 mill for each of the next two seasons.

 

Teams are lining up to sell the farm for James Shields. The market for Beckett simply cannot be as bad as Jacko wants us to think.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Thing is with Beckett - I've heard a few reports that teams are afraid of him because they don't want him to infest their clubhouse. No joke. I think Gammons reported it.

[Bellhorn04]

I posted this in the trade deadline thread, but it bears repeating:

 

Player A, age 31, known for being a big game pitcher

2011 2.82 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, .217 BAA

2012 4.52 ERA, 1.46 WHIP, .281 BAA

$10 mill options on each of the next two seasons.

 

Player B, age 32 known for actually being a big game pitcher.

2011 2.89 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, .211 BAA

2012 4.57 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, .263 BAA

$16 mill for each of the next two seasons.

 

Teams are lining up to sell the farm for James Shields. The market for Beckett simply cannot be as bad as Jacko wants us to think.

 

Sell the farm for Shields? He's not that good. He has a career ERA+ of 1.04. Away from the TropDump he has a career ERA of 4.66. His main strength is as an innings eater.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Just hearing today that Masterson is available. I'm all for going to get him.

 

Think about it. You're going to have Gonzo, Pedroia, Iggy, Middlebrooks as your infield for the next few years. Give me Masterson's 96 with sink in front of that infield all day. He could be excellent.

[Palodios]

Sell the farm for Shields? He's not that good. He has a career ERA+ of 1.04. Away from the TropDump he has a career ERA of 4.66. His main strength is as an innings eater.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/james-shields/

 

Everyone seems to think he'll pull in a haul. All I'd want from a Beckett trade is most of the salary paid, and a high floor pitching prospect, although the latter could be very negotiable.

[jung]

Beckett is a 10/5 guy and who knows where he will go outside of Texas where Ryan has apparently already said he is not interested.

 

Beckett's real issue is that he is transitioning away from being a power pitcher out of necessity and simply not fairing to well so far or I guess I should say that he has succeeded to a point but has not gotten past where he is today which is a far cry from what he probably needs to be if he wants to ever be more than a 2 or a 3 depending on where he is pitching.

[Palodios]

Beckett is a 10/5 guy and who knows where he will go outside of Texas where Ryan has apparently already said he is not interested.

 

Beckett's real issue is that he is transitioning away from being a power pitcher out of necessity and simply not fairing to well so far or I guess I should say that he has succeeded to a point but has not gotten past where he is today which is a far cry from what he probably needs to be if he wants to ever be more than a 2 or a 3 depending on where he is pitching.

 

You never know-- maybe he wants to go to a small market team where can he golf whenever he wants.

[jung]

If we had a bunch of pitchers with s***** track records, fine. But this team isn't playing well because of underperformance, not lack of talent. And I will always debate that talent doesn't just disappears at the drop of a hat.

 

In the case of Beckett and Lester their track records simply don't matter at this point....possibly a permanent issue for Beckett while I am inclined to think temporary for Lester.

 

Beckett is making the classic transition away from being a power pitcher. The basis for his career numbers and for the most part his talent relates to being a power pitcher. However his velo continues to slide and is not coming back and his K/9 is not going back to where it was either. Players age, players change, especially true for pitchers.

 

Beckett has had what I would call limited success in this transition so far with the blowup inning becoming the most telling element of his lack of success. The blowup inning began leaking into his game last year and continues this year only now occurring earlier in games and with more frequency. With his velo down where it is now he tends to lose his control and neither regains it for the course of an entire inning while no longer having the velo to blow guys away. As a result he cannot get out of innings without giving up multiple runs once he starts down this path.

 

Lester on the other hand has developed mechanical problems that I think he can lick eventually with the right help. I don't think he will come around this year but I believe he CAN do it. So I do think Lester's latent "talent" is relevant to his issues while I think not in the case of Beckett who is really trying to remake himself as a 91-92 mph FB pitcher.

 

The Sox may buy as long as it is somebody they can control for years (plural) but why would you at a point in time when the cost will be prohibitively high ala' competing with teams acquiring players to make late season runs?

[SemperFi Sox]

We'll probably get rid of Sweeney. No chance they have the balls to be bold.

[SoxSport]

Just hearing today that Masterson is available. I'm all for going to get him.

 

Think about it. You're going to have Gonzo, Pedroia, Iggy, Middlebrooks as your infield for the next few years. Give me Masterson's 96 with sink in front of that infield all day. He could be excellent.

 

I don't think they're capable of thinking that far ahead.

[italstallianion]

Should: Sell

 

Say they'll do: Buy

 

Actually do: Nothing

[a700hitter]

Only 2 people out of 23 voted to Stand Pat (Laser Show and InfernoOrangeSS), and that is what Cherries did. They have the distinction of thinking the same way as our undistinguished GM.

[a700hitter]

Here's what I have to say about standing pat.:thumbdown:(:wtf::what::rant:

[italstallianion]

Should: Sell

 

Say they'll do: Buy

 

Actually do: Nothing

 

Only 2 people out of 23 voted to Stand Pat (Laser Show and InfernoOrangeSS)' date=' and that is what Cherries did. They have the distinction of thinking the same way as our undistinguished GM.[/quote']

 

 

 

 

I said they WOULD stay pat, not that they should. I was right on both counts.

[italstallianion]

That being said, I hate this entire God damn organization sometimes. They pretty much did exactly what I thought they'd do, which is pretty much one of the worst things you can do. Either try to win or try to lose, but don't stay in the f***** middle. That's how you suck for many consecutive years. Maybe we restarted that 86 year clock again.

 

Anyone know where I can get industrial strength rope to hang my fat self with? I'm sure the Irabu's have some.