If you could build your team around one Red Sox great?

[Bellhorn04]

Game 7 of the World Series, I might have to start with Schilling. His postseason record is incredible.

[cbbosox]

Manny in his prime was better than Ortiz.

 

Better -yes but i still think with the game on the line Ortiz was a little better.

[Laser Show]

Watching manny and papi hit 3-4 was amazing....... I dare someone to name a duo better in the last 20? Years

 

Griffey and ARod, but they were only together what, 3-4 years? And ARod wasn't even close to his prime yet.

 

Imagine if those 2 could've gotten locked up long term.

[Laser Show]

Cy Young and Joe Wood had better years. Young had the 12 or 13 best single season era in baseball history. I'd still take Cy Young in his prime. The best pitcher I ever saw was Bob Gibson in 1967. Too bad he never played for boston.

 

I know you old guys don't like these newfangled stats :harhar:, but just look at the all time leaders in single season ERA+. While great, Bob Gibson's 1968 pales in comparison to Pedro's 2000.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/earned_run_avg_plus_season.shtml

[ellsburyforMVP]

2003-06 Ortiz and manny....333 hr 1004 RBI 292 doubles

[Laser Show]

2003-06 Ortiz and manny....333 hr 1004 RBI 292 doubles

 

96-99 Griffey and ARod... 352 HR, 1009 RBI, 273 2B. Very, very close numbers!

 

Ortiz and Manny probably get the nod due to the WS win

[ellsburyforMVP]

96-99 Griffey and ARod... 352 HR' date=' 1009 RBI, 273 2B. Very, [i']very[/i] close numbers!

 

Ortiz and Manny probably get the nod due to the WS win

 

They are very close ( but Ortiz missed 35 gms in 2003 and manny missed 32 gms in 2006 ) plus normal "rest " days......not to discredit arod and Griffey ...just giving them a +1:thumbsup:

[Laser Show]

They are very close ( but Ortiz missed 35 gms in 2003 and manny missed 32 gms in 2006 ) plus normal "rest " days......not to discredit arod and Griffey ...just giving them a +1:thumbsup:

 

Griffey missed 22 in 96, ARod missed 16 in 96, 21 in 97, and 33 in 99. We can go back and forth on these 2 all day

 

Ortiz/Manny get the win by a mile in OPS+, but Griffey/ARod make up for it in defense. Compare their oWAR+dWAR at baseball-reference.com. Ortiz/Manny totaled 28.0 WAR over their 4 years while Griffey/ARod had 61.3

 

Checkmate.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Griffey missed 22 in 96' date=' ARod missed 16 in 96, 21 in 97, and 33 in 99. We can go back and forth on these 2 all day [/quote']

 

All right,all right......we'll call manny/papi #1 and Griffey/arod #1A :thumbsup:

[Elktonnick]

I know you old guys don't like these newfangled stats :harhar:' date=' but just look at the all time leaders in single season ERA+. While great, Bob Gibson's [i']1968[/i] pales in comparison to Pedro's 2000.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/earned_run_avg_plus_season.shtml

 

pedro's era can't come close to Young's

[jung]

Completely different eras...depending on when this hypothetical WS game would be played, Pedro's era might be more relevant than Young's or vis-versa. Do we really think Young would be rattling off 400 inning seasons in todays MLB?

[Laser Show]

Completely different eras...depending on when this hypothetical WS game would be played' date=' Pedro's era might be more relevant than Young's or vis-versa. Do we really think Young would be rattling off 400 inning seasons in todays MLB?[/quote']

 

That's one good reason to use ERA+. It takes into account different eras, ballpark factors, and a lot more things than traditional stats.

[Elktonnick]

Completely different eras...depending on when this hypothetical WS game would be played' date=' Pedro's era might be more relevant than Young's or vis-versa. Do we really think Young would be rattling off 400 inning seasons in todays MLB?[/quote']

 

Yes. Spahn was pitching over 20 CP a year into his forties in the 1960s The different era is a cop out. Records are records

[ellsburyforMVP]

Griffey missed 22 in 96, ARod missed 16 in 96, 21 in 97, and 33 in 99. We can go back and forth on these 2 all day

 

Ortiz/Manny get the win by a mile in OPS+, but Griffey/ARod make up for it in defense. Compare their oWAR+dWAR at baseball-reference.com. Ortiz/Manny totaled 28.0 WAR over their 4 years while Griffey/ARod had 61.3

 

Checkmate.

 

I'm a sox fan and arod is a Yankee........ Nuff said

[Palodios]

I'd pick Yaz, simply so a700 can't talk about how he's half the player Yaz was

[SoxFanForsyth]

I'd pick Cody Ross.

[ellsburyforMVP]

I'd pick Cody Ross.

 

Living in the moment huh?

[jung]

What happened with Ross over these last two games with the WS was more about the WS getting stubborn about how they planned on pitching Ross even though it was the way wrong idea about how to pitch to him. Did not learn their lesson the game before this one and paid for again tonight.

[SCM33]

pedro's era can't come close to Young's

 

Completely different eras...depending on when this hypothetical WS game would be played' date=' Pedro's era might be more relevant than Young's or vis-versa. Do we really think Young would be rattling off 400 inning seasons in todays MLB?[/quote']

 

That's one good reason to use ERA+. It takes into account different eras' date=' ballpark factors, and a lot more things than traditional stats.[/quote']

 

Everything was different when Cy Young played. The ball was wound a lot looser, the rules were different and the game was played inside the park. There were also differences with the mound. The mound was not only closer, but it was much higher.

[ellsburyforMVP]

What Pedro did in the "steroid era" Is unheard of....

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/year/2000/league/al/order/false

 

That should tell the story....next AL ( we all know the NL is pitchers paradise ) pitcher after Pedro was Clemens with a 3.70 era to Pedro's 1.74

[mvp 78]

Reggie Jefferson

[BOSOX11]

Hitter: Jimmie Foxx

 

Pitcher: Luis Tiant

[BillBuckner]

Game 7.....I'd say Bill Buckner.

Just kidding, if I could have Pedro pitch id chose him but its tough to leave out teddy...

[Youk Of The Nation]

I am shocked no one picked Josh Beckett.

[Station 13]

Pedro. i want a pitcher who can deliver consistently every 5th day.