Are the Red Sox going to be sellers at the trade deadline?

[NativeBostonian]

I don’t think they are going to be sellers due to the fact that they are close to the wild-card spot and they are going to be getting guys back. What do you guys think?

[redsoxfan3]

They should not be sellers, unless they trade for a true ace. There is still a shot to make the playoffs. CC and Ells are both coming back. Pedroia should be healthy. Hopefully Gonzalez can find his power. Middlebrooks will be back, so that means there will be no more defensive liability in Gomez at 3B or offensive liability in Punto at 3B. If we can stay healthy, and if these guys can play like we all know they can, then we should be fine. We should have a real chance to compete for a WC spot. It all comes down to the SP. If Lester, Beckett, and Buchholz can all pitch the way they are capable of, then that will more or less make or break this team's shot at making the playoffs.

[Bellhorn04]

I think it depends on what happens the next couple of weeks. We have a tough schedule after the break. If we fall further back we could be sellers.

[jacksonianmarch]

The sox should be "sellers" as the term suggest come the offseason then they should quickly turn around and be buyers. If anyone thinks this team is winning a world series, then you are kidding yourselves, and it is only slightly less painful to lose out in the playoffs than it is to not make the playoffs and that depends on the fashion in which you get knocked out. I would rather not have made the playoffs in 2004 than go through that. Now could the sox win the world series? Statistically yes, and so can the Pirates, but let's not kid ourselves here.

 

I think the sox should deal away their two sluggers who are on 1 yr deals (Ross and Ortiz). They should try and find a home for Beckett, even if it means they give him away in terms of a salary dump. Then in the offseason, they can decide if they want to bridge 2013 with rookies or use them to acquire veteran talent

[redsoxbeatz]

Guys are coming back but I think we should taper our expectation for CC... He will need TJ so he might as well go now.

 

If we aren't acquiring Hamels or Hernandez we might as well sell. Beckett should go.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hamels would be a tough play for you guys. He will cost a TON in prospects, he seems pretty dead set on hitting free agency, and you cannot get draft picks for him in return if he bolts due to the new CBA rules.

[Laser Show]

The sox should be "sellers" as the term suggest come the offseason then they should quickly turn around and be buyers. If anyone thinks this team is winning a world series, then you are kidding yourselves, and it is only slightly less painful to lose out in the playoffs than it is to not make the playoffs and that depends on the fashion in which you get knocked out. I would rather not have made the playoffs in 2004 than go through that. Now could the sox win the world series? Statistically yes, and so can the Pirates, but let's not kid ourselves here.

 

I think the sox should deal away their two sluggers who are on 1 yr deals (Ross and Ortiz). They should try and find a home for Beckett, even if it means they give him away in terms of a salary dump. Then in the offseason, they can decide if they want to bridge 2013 with rookies or use them to acquire veteran talent

 

I agree with everything you said, but my list would be Ross, Ortiz, Sweeney, Salty, Aviles, Beckett. We could infuse the team with youth, which almost always creates excitement and also try to go out and get a true ace. Even with moving all those players, we're still in good shape to make a run for the WC once we get some of our players off the DL.

[a700hitter]

If the question were "should the Red Sox be buyers or sellers", I would answer that they should be sellers. They need to move on from Beckett and Lester. They should bring in some talent and free up some money. However, this thread asks which "will" the Sox be, not "should". I think they will be neither to any significant extent. Cherries doesn't have the budget to add significant talent and IMO, he doesn't have the guts to be a significant buyer or seller. I expect little activity and lots of excuses.

[NativeBostonian]

Guys are coming back but I think we should taper our expectation for CC... He will need TJ so he might as well go now.

 

If we aren't acquiring Hamels or Hernandez we might as well sell. Beckett should go.

 

You know that they aren't going to get anyone for Beckett? It's going to be like the Youk trade. Basically a salary dump. You might as well keep him.

[redsoxbeatz]

Hamels would be a tough play for you guys. He will cost a TON in prospects' date=' he seems pretty dead set on hitting free agency, and you cannot get draft picks for him in return if he bolts due to the new CBA rules.[/quote']

 

You know that they aren't going to get anyone for Beckett? It's going to be like the Youk trade. Basically a salary dump. You might as well keep him.

 

Yup and yup.

 

This is why I think Red Sox will do next to nothing at the deadline. Probably just more BP arms.

[NativeBostonian]

I would be hesitant to go after Hamels. It is our luck to give the Phillies a lot of prospects, and then have him go back to Philly when he hits free agency.

[SemperFi Sox]

Our ownership is to stupid to be sellers.

[a700hitter]

I would be hesitant to go after Hamels. It is our luck to give the Phillies a lot of prospects' date=' and then have him go back to Philly when he hits free agency.[/quote']Two month rentals don't usually cost a lot of top prospects.

[NativeBostonian]

Two month rentals don't usually cost a lot of top prospects.

I guess one would have to find that out when talking to the Phillies. Is this going to be a rental, or is this going to be long term.

[jacksonianmarch]

Two month rentals are typically worth one top 10 prospect. The M's got Smoak, the Guardians got LaPorta, and the beat rolls on. There are two types of teams that go for Hamels. A team like the Pirates who know he isnt going to sign there, but want to go for everything this yr and a team like the Red Sox/Yankees who will require him to sign a long term extension.

[Guest]

Our ownership is to stupid to be sellers.

 

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Guest]

Two month rentals don't usually cost a lot of top prospects.

 

There is no point in giving up anything whatsoever for Hamels now. With or without him we are going nowhere. I would rather get rid of bums like Beckett and malcontents like Ortiz for decent pitching prospects than delude ourselves into believing that we have any real chance at all this year. Its time to rebuild. Period.

[a700hitter]

Angels Interested In Acquiring Zack Greinke

By Dan Mennella [July 10 at 5:47pm CST]

 

The Angels plan to make a run at trading for Brewers starter Zack Greinke if the right-hander becomes available prior to the trade deadline, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.

 

The Orioles, Rangers and Braves are also thought to be interested in dealing for Greinke, the 2009 American League Cy Young Award winner, although a person close to Greinke said that the Halos are a "perfect fit."

If the Angels pull that off, they should lock up a wild card and be very tough in the playoffs with Weaver, CJ Wilson and Greinke. There's always a chance that Haren rights himself too.

 

Edit: Talk about big acquisitions: Wilson, Pujols and Greinke? Wow!! That's got to be exciting for Angel fans.

[NativeBostonian]

If the Angels pull that off, they should lock up a wild card and be very tough in the playoffs with Weaver, CJ Wilson and Greinke. There's always a chance that Haren rights himself too.

 

Edit: Talk about big acquisitions: Wilson, Pujols and Greinke? Wow!! That's got to be exciting for Angel fans.

 

With that pitching rotation, they could win their division.

[NativeBostonian]

There is no point in giving up anything whatsoever for Hamels now. With or without him we are going nowhere. I would rather get rid of bums like Beckett and malcontents like Ortiz for decent pitching prospects than delude ourselves into believing that we have any real chance at all this year. Its time to rebuild. Period.

If the Red Sox get rid of Beckett, then they better get rid of the entire contract that is due to him. I mean an entire salary dump. It’s not worth while in my opinion if you can’t do that. They aren't getting anyone for him, so you might as well clear cap room for next year.

[example1]

The sox should be "sellers" as the term suggest come the offseason then they should quickly turn around and be buyers. If anyone thinks this team is winning a world series, then you are kidding yourselves, and it is only slightly less painful to lose out in the playoffs than it is to not make the playoffs and that depends on the fashion in which you get knocked out. I would rather not have made the playoffs in 2004 than go through that. Now could the sox win the world series? Statistically yes, and so can the Pirates, but let's not kid ourselves here.

 

I think the sox should deal away their two sluggers who are on 1 yr deals (Ross and Ortiz). They should try and find a home for Beckett, even if it means they give him away in terms of a salary dump. Then in the offseason, they can decide if they want to bridge 2013 with rookies or use them to acquire veteran talent

 

I've been agreeing with you a lot recently.

 

This is the time to throw the deck chairs (even the really nice ones) overboard. The vessel will still float, and the offseason will afford them a chance to do some moderate rebuilding and get guys healthy/sorted out, but there's no need to have guys like Ross, Ortiz, Sweeney, Aviles, probably Beckett (though not sure who takes him), maybe Nava (if someone will buy high), Shoppach on the team. They have depth behind all of those guys.

 

Let's say they sold all those guys. Here's the team without them (just for fun):

 

Ellsbury

Crawford

Pedroia

Gonzalez

Middlebrooks

Saltalamacchia

Lavarnway

Kalish

Iglesias

 

Is there any reason to think that offense couldn't put some runs on the board and at least produce enough to play .500 ball, regardless of the pitching staff?

 

If they moved Beckett:

 

Lester

Buchholz

Doubront

Morales

Cook

 

Looks at least decent to me. None of this accounts for ANY of the return they got for my (proposed) Ross, Ortiz, Sweeney, Aviles, Beckett, Shoppach trades (which would yield a fair amount in a sellers market). That team above would be watchable for me (hell, Iglesias in and of himself will keep me watching this team's defensive innings for years to come).

 

Obviously the big sell would be Ellsbury, and I can't see the Sox having a very long "selling" window with him. They either sell him soon or they will probably hold on to him for another run next year and hope he yields draft picks. If they are sellers at this point next year we should be prepared to find some bald/suicidal owners and maybe a fired LL.

 

Personally, I would like to see them try to move Ellsbury and lock up Cody Ross for a few years at a reasonable price, but Ross is likely to want to test FA again and Ellsbury's injury prevents him from being a viable trade piece unless they sell a bit low.

[Palodios]

I've been agreeing with you a lot recently.

 

This is the time to throw the deck chairs (even the really nice ones) overboard. The vessel will still float, and the offseason will afford them a chance to do some moderate rebuilding and get guys healthy/sorted out, but there's no need to have guys like Ross, Ortiz, Sweeney, Aviles, probably Beckett (though not sure who takes him), maybe Nava (if someone will buy high), Shoppach on the team. They have depth behind all of those guys.

 

Let's say they sold all those guys. Here's the team without them (just for fun):

 

Ellsbury

Crawford

Pedroia

Gonzalez

Middlebrooks

Saltalamacchia

Lavarnway

Kalish

Iglesias

 

Is there any reason to think that offense couldn't put some runs on the board and at least produce enough to play .500 ball, regardless of the pitching staff?

 

If they moved Beckett:

 

Lester

Buchholz

Doubront

Morales

Cook

 

Looks at least decent to me. None of this accounts for ANY of the return they got for my (proposed) Ross, Ortiz, Sweeney, Aviles, Beckett, Shoppach trades (which would yield a fair amount in a sellers market). That team above would be watchable for me (hell, Iglesias in and of himself will keep me watching this team's defensive innings for years to come).

 

Obviously the big sell would be Ellsbury, and I can't see the Sox having a very long "selling" window with him. They either sell him soon or they will probably hold on to him for another run next year and hope he yields draft picks. If they are sellers at this point next year we should be prepared to find some bald/suicidal owners and maybe a fired LL.

 

Personally, I would like to see them try to move Ellsbury and lock up Cody Ross for a few years at a reasonable price, but Ross is likely to want to test FA again and Ellsbury's injury prevents him from being a viable trade piece unless they sell a bit low.

 

I feel like I've been making this same exact post for a while now

 

Between Ross/Ortiz/Ellsbury and a discounted Beckett, they could probably get 3-5 top 100 prospects. Maybe more if they throw in some of the other players as kickers. It is very unusual for sellers at the deadline to have so many wares available, and I believe they could probably get a big haul-- Could you imagine if this team turns into the MLB's top farm system without even touching their longterm core players? Dojji would need a whole new wardrobe to replace all those pairs of pants.

 

Not to mention the long term consideration of getting under the luxury tax/ saving enough money to pick up an elite starting pitcher next year.

[a700hitter]

I feel like I've been making this same exact post for a while now

 

Between Ross/Ortiz/Ellsbury and a discounted Beckett, they could probably get 3-5 top 100 prospects. Maybe more if they throw in some of the other players as kickers. It is very unusual for sellers at the deadline to have so many wares available, and I believe they could probably get a big haul-- Could you imagine if this team turns into the MLB's top farm system without even touching their longterm core players? Dojji would need a whole new wardrobe to replace all those pairs of pants.

 

Not to mention the long term consideration of getting under the luxury tax/ saving enough money to pick up an elite starting pitcher next year.

The Hot Stove talk starts earlier and earlier in recent years. It will be difficult to top the All Star Break as the starting date. On a serious note, this is a completely reasonable approach.

[SemperFi Sox]

Just don't touch Xander Bogaerts, or I will flip the f*** out.

[mvp 78]

To the original question:

 

No, but they should be. Frankly, they should have revamped the squad in the offseason as some of us wanted.

[redsoxbeatz]

Just don't touch Xander Bogaerts' date=' or I will flip the f*** out.[/quote']

 

WMB blocks his path to the red sox since he will move to 3b for sure... Right??

 

I live in Orange county, moving to LA soon so Ive been going to Angels games, a log of fun though they lose every time I go. Would love to be able to watch Greibke there especially if pitches vs the Sox at the end of August.

 

Red sox wont do s*** at the deadline, too stupid is FO & Cherry.

[Guest]

To the original question:

 

No, but they should be. Frankly, they should have revamped the squad in the offseason as some of us wanted.

 

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out because it will tell us how the owners and FO view our chances this year. If they elect to become sellers then they are in the camp with the majority of posters here who believe that our chances are very slim and really not worth pursueing this year. If they stand pat or acquire players then they believe that this team as currently constructed has a chance for a ring. How this plays out will give us a peek that we rarely get to see into their thinking.

[mvp 78]

I think it will say less about how they view the team and more about ticket sales and ratings.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The sox should be "sellers" as the term suggest come the offseason then they should quickly turn around and be buyers. If anyone thinks this team is winning a world series, then you are kidding yourselves, and it is only slightly less painful to lose out in the playoffs than it is to not make the playoffs and that depends on the fashion in which you get knocked out. I would rather not have made the playoffs in 2004 than go through that. Now could the sox win the world series? Statistically yes, and so can the Pirates, but let's not kid ourselves here.

 

I think the sox should deal away their two sluggers who are on 1 yr deals (Ross and Ortiz). They should try and find a home for Beckett, even if it means they give him away in terms of a salary dump. Then in the offseason, they can decide if they want to bridge 2013 with rookies or use them to acquire veteran talent

 

Why don't we hang tight and see how Beckett Lester and Buchholz rebound in the 2nd half, as well as Pedroia, Gonzalez, Ellsbury, Crawford, Bailey, and to a lesser extent, Bard before we start calling this team irrelevant.

 

If Lester, Beckett, and Buchholz throw the ball like they are capable, and the offense gets healthy and performs just to their average talent levels, this team is absolutely a WS contender. I don't think it's kidding ourselves to think that most of these players will return to their norms in the 2nd half.

 

I hope everyone here who is saying this team is out of it, etc remembers who they are and what they said in October when the Sox are making a deep run in the playoffs. 2.5 games out of them WC guys, with a huge amount of talent coming back. Come on fellas.

[Bellhorn04]

Why don't we hang tight and see how Beckett Lester and Buchholz rebound in the 2nd half, as well as Pedroia, Gonzalez, Ellsbury, Crawford, Bailey, and to a lesser extent, Bard before we start calling this team irrelevant.

 

If Lester, Beckett, and Buchholz throw the ball like they are capable, and the offense gets healthy and performs just to their average talent levels, this team is absolutely a WS contender. I don't think it's kidding ourselves to think that most of these players will return to their norms in the 2nd half.

 

I hope everyone here who is saying this team is out of it, etc remembers who they are and what they said in October when the Sox are making a deep run in the playoffs. 2.5 games out of them WC guys, with a huge amount of talent coming back. Come on fellas.

 

The thing is, SFF, that is an elephant-sized IF. We're over halfway through the season. If Beckett and Lester haven't gotten it together by now, what exactly is there to generate any optimism in that area? Especially when they're both coming off dismal performances against the NYY. There's just nothing there...