Huge decline for Ortiz

[ibot2much]

Checked the game log and the Ortiz numbers are amazing....and nobody has mentioned him as a problem. After last night Agon may have gotten something back, so I hope the return to RF so that a 182 hitter can be in the lineup doesn't hurt him

 

avg obp slg

405 457 726 April

 

250 341 500 May

 

182 333 318 June

[a700hitter]

Checked the game log and the Ortiz numbers are amazing....and nobody has mentioned him as a problem. After last night Agon may have gotten something back, so I hope the return to RF so that a 182 hitter can be in the lineup doesn't hurt him

 

avg obp slg

405 457 726 April

 

250 341 500 May

 

182 333 318 June

Yes, physically he has declined in two months. OMG, maybe he has Lupus! or maybe pitchers have adjusted to him and decided not to let him hurt them and that he has has had very little protection around him, especially when Pedroia was out. When Pedy and Gonzo start to pick up, pitchers will have to start pitching to him again, and as the big man says, someone is gonna pay. I don't think he is ready for a wheelchair.

[VA Sox Fan]

Yes' date=' physically he has declined in two months. OMG, maybe he has Lupus! or maybe pitchers have adjusted to him and decided not to let him hurt them and that he has has had very little protection around him, especially when Pedroia was out. When Pedy and Gonzo start to pick up, pitchers will have to start pitching to him again, and as the big man says, someone is gonna pay. I don't think he is ready for a wheelchair.[/quote']

 

[jung]

I think the reason why there has not been much mention of Ortiz is because for one thing he has literally carried this team through the first couple months of the season. Without his production this team might already be so far behind the tough AL East that a comeback of any relevance might be quite a bit harder to envision. So that is the first thing to take into account. His rate of production of the first few months could not continue for much longer and to some extent a decline of some sort had to be expected.

 

The second thing is that he has been doing something of late that he knows he cannot do. He has been taking hacks at high inside heat. He cannot hit that pitch, knows he cannot hit that pitch, understands that trying to cost him almost an entire season and at his age almost a career. So I don't think we expect him to keep swinging at that pitch as it has done him to much damage in the past and it is not something he has to figure out.

[Bellhorn04]

Checked the game log and the Ortiz numbers are amazing....and nobody has mentioned him as a problem. After last night Agon may have gotten something back, so I hope the return to RF so that a 182 hitter can be in the lineup doesn't hurt him

 

avg obp slg

405 457 726 April

 

250 341 500 May

 

182 333 318 June

 

A 182 hitter. Ha ha, like your small samples much?

[Cocos Disciples]

"Huge" decline is a "huge" overstatement. He was unbelievable in April, and nobody should have expected him to keep that up. He had an .841 OPS in May which is pretty solid. He's played six games in June. Ortiz is the least of my concerns on this team.

[ibot2much]

A 182 hitter. Ha ha' date=' like your small samples much?[/quote']

 

 

How do you like the May one---250 avg?

[ibot2much]

Yes' date=' physically he has declined in two months. OMG, maybe he has Lupus! or maybe pitchers have adjusted to him and decided not to let him hurt them and that he has has had very little protection around him, especially when Pedroia was out. When Pedy and Gonzo start to pick up, pitchers will have to start pitching to him again, and as the big man says, someone is gonna pay. I don't think he is ready for a wheelchair.[/quote']

 

 

Got sucked in again, did you? Didn't mentioned a disease or a wheelchair.....just that there was a huge decline. Just the facts.

[a700hitter]

Got sucked in again' date=' did you? Didn't mentioned a disease or a wheelchair.....just that there was a huge decline. Just the facts.[/quote']Just the normal ups and downs of a long season. What was unusual was the blistering hot pace at which he opened the season.

[Cocos Disciples]

How do you like the May one---250 avg?

 

Batting average is a bad way to measure players, and a really bad way to measure Ortiz.

 

I can't emphasize enough how small of a deal this is. Last year Ortiz had a great year, he OPS'd .953 and hit 29 home runs in a full season. In April 2011, he went .267/.373/.395. In July of that year, he hit .253/.361/.458. In May 2012, he went .250/.341/.500.

 

It's all in the peaks and valleys of the season. I urge you not to worry.

[a700hitter]

How do you like the May one---250 avg?

And his May OPS of .841 is alarming?

[ibot2much]

 

The second thing is that he has been doing something of late that he knows he cannot do. He has been taking hacks at high inside heat. He cannot hit that pitch, knows he cannot hit that pitch, understands that trying to cost him almost an entire season and at his age almost a career. So I don't think we expect him to keep swinging at that pitch as it has done him to much damage in the past and it is not something he has to figure out.

 

Now that is an interesting, intelligent point. Thanks for the insight. I have noticed the flailing reminiscent of that terrible season. Hopefully he can stop because it smacks of desperation.

 

 

 

Really, small sample, meaningless number, all the blather listed here.....nobody would be happier if the 182 for June was 315?

[RedSoxNC84]

Really' date=' small sample, meaningless number, all the blather listed here.....nobody would be happier if the 182 for June was 315?[/quote']

 

Yeah sure, but it's June 8th currently.........

 

I don't think it's cause for concern whatsoever. He's still going to start hitting better at some point.

[Emmz]

LOL. Really, this thread is a massive overreaction. Ortiz is going to finish the year with .900 OPS as usual.

[NativeBostonian]

So David may have dropped a little bit this month, it doesn't mean he's terrible. He carried the team basically for the first half of the season. Now, having said that he deserves a thread praising his abilities not showing his week month.

[seabeachfred]

Ortiz is struggling and has for the past two weeks. Tomorrow we face lefty Wandy Rodriquez and this would be a good time to sit him down for a game, put Youkilis on first and hope he doesn't blow part of his body out, and put the deserving Will Middlebrooks at third where it seems that when he plays we win.

[Cocos Disciples]

Ortiz is struggling and has for the past two weeks. Tomorrow we face lefty Wandy Rodriquez and this would be a good time to sit him down for a game' date=' put Youkilis on first and hope he doesn't blow part of his body out, and put the deserving Will Middlebrooks at third where it seems that when he plays we win.[/quote']

 

Gio Gonzalez. Also Ortiz is .310/.341/.595 against LHP this year. Also the last two weeks he's .261/.393/.522.

[SoxSport]

Ortiz is struggling and has for the past two weeks. Tomorrow we face lefty Wandy Rodriquez and this would be a good time to sit him down for a game' date=' put Youkilis on first and hope he doesn't blow part of his body out, and put the deserving Will Middlebrooks at third where it seems that when he plays we win.[/quote']

 

Anybody know what Youks is hitting playing 3B vs 1B so far this year? I have a hunch he doesn't hit much playing 3B. The Sox FO has traditionally been slow to recognize their errors--including Youks failure to hold up at 3B. You can also add Bard to their failure list. It's time Henry woke up and realized more changes are needed.

[evilhand]

Anybody know what Youks is hitting playing 3B vs 1B so far this year? I have a hunch he doesn't hit much playing 3B. The Sox FO has traditionally been slow to recognize their errors--including Youks failure to hold up at 3B. You can also add Bard to their failure list. It's time Henry woke up and realized more changes are needed.

 

.601 OPS at 3rd and 1.010 at 1st, but the sample size is too small to mean much. It was almost identical in 2011 (.836 vs .826) and was split the opposite way in 2010 (.552 at 1st vs 1.000 at 3rd).

 

Where he plays doesn't seem to have any impact on how well he hits. It might contribute to his injury problems, but even that is tough to prove as he started getting hurt before moving back to 3rd.

[SoxFanForsyth]

This thread is pathetic.

 

You know that if he goes 4-4 today, his average in June will go from .167 to .286.

 

I mean honestly. This is pathetic.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Ortiz: .967 OPS, 3 HR in past 10 games.

 

Thread Closed.

[Emmz]

Yeah, this is just a case of not checking your research.

[VA Sox Fan]

Yeah' date=' this is just a case of not checking your research.[/quote']

 

And being a constantly negative poster.

[jung]

Ortiz may not continue for the entire season on the steak of great hitting he was on at the start but I don't think he has issues that are really a concern. He did get into a bit of a streak where he was swinging at high inside heat but he knows that. He won't continue and has cut down already.

 

Look at how often he still has a quality at bat. A guy with his hitting ability that takes that many quality at bats will do some damage.

 

I was worried this off season that he might be losing to much physically and yes he did get overmatched the other night by that FB but that is one special FB. We have not seen Ortiz overmatched by anybody the whole season up till now. How often do you think we will see a FB like that?

[SoxSport]

Regarding Ortiz, he's in the same boat as other players who got a hot start. At this point they correct a bit before regaining their form mid-season. I doubt it means anything more than that. He's still swinging well.

[ellsburyforMVP]

Regarding Ortiz' date=' he's in the same boat as other players who got a hot start. At this point they correct a bit before regaining their form mid-season. I doubt it means anything more than that. He's still swinging well.[/quote']

 

And the "shift" has robbed/stolen/etc alot of his hits lately, where as in the beginning of the season he was going the other way....

 

Anyone have a stat for roughly how many hits Ortiz has lost this yr due to the shift?

[NatickStan]

Perhaps his offseason roids have worn off?

[a700hitter]

Perhaps his offseason roids have worn off?

He had a very hard time getting the needle out of ARod's ass, so he couldn't take as much this year.

[NatickStan]

He had a very hard time getting the needle out of ARod's ass' date=' so he couldn't take as much this year.[/quote']

 

LOL!

[Ghost Of Theo]

So David may have dropped a little bit this month' date=' it doesn't mean he's terrible. He carried the team basically for the first half of the season. Now, having said that he deserves a thread praising his abilities not showing his week month.[/quote']

 

David Ortiz is a whiny bitch. He's worried about himself and his contract. Nothing else. Not the team. NADA! I say ship him to Kansas City so he can bitch and moan in corn fields. I'm tired of it.