4/7 @ Detroit

[VA Sox Fan]

Well' date=' swap Sweeney and Ells then. I just wouldn't be surprised if he put Sweeney in the top 3 and went L L. He loves to have a LHH hitting 2nd in the order, and tomorrow would be a great time to do it - lefties OPS'd .841 against Scherzer last year.[/quote']

 

After 2 games? Love ya and all but relax bro.

[Cocos Disciples]

After 2 games? Love ya and all but relax bro.

 

I appreciate your sanity.

[mvp 78]

Aren't you so pissed the Sox are going to go 0-162??

 

Maybe I've got it all wrong. I thought a "rebuilding year" was when you dished off contracts for minor league high ceiling talent.

 

Guess they'll be rebuilding for the next 4-7 years.

 

Didn't you mean 84-87? Curse of the Tito.

[VA Sox Fan]

I appreciate your sanity.

 

Any time. Thanks.

[RedSoxNC84]

 

Bats are coming alive today.

 

If only we had known before hand.

[SoxFanForsyth]

After 2 games? Love ya and all but relax bro.

 

All I'm saying is he could very well put Sweeney at the top of the order since LHH hit Scherzer very well, and Sweeney is hitting the ball well right now, plus the fact that V likes to have a lefty in the 2 hole.

[redsoxfan3]

It is official. I am not posting on this site again until the Red Sox win their first game. I just cannot believe that we played so poorly today. I am glad I couldn't watch this game today, but I will get to watch the start of the game tomorrow. I hope we come out with a win.

 

The positive is the Yanks might also start 0-2.

[RedSoxNC84]

All I'm saying is he could very well put Sweeney at the top of the order since LHH hit Scherzer very well' date=' and Sweeney is hitting the ball well right now, plus the fact that V likes to have a lefty in the 2 hole.[/quote']

 

I think this is a great idea honestly.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Holy s*** . People need to calm down.

Its the second game of the year .

Remeber last year when this team started 2-10 ? they turned it around quick.

 

too much talent on this team

 

This.

 

Yeah' date=' this is the best thing that could happen to us. Take away the guy who was our best pitcher last season after one bad start. Let's DL the entire bullpen while we are at it. Let's DL Ellsbury, Youk too.[/quote']

 

I'm aware this is sarcasm but

 

You guys are both 1 post away from permabans. Ignore each other of you're banned for good.

 

Aiming for the wrong head.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I'm at work so I couldn't watch the game. I'm on break now but the sky is falling attitude really has to stop. Beckett is not that bad, we all know that. Youk, Ross, Ellsbury, Pedey will not continue this hitting slump. We'll be fine. Losing sucks but it's part of the game. Relax a little bit. Tomorrow is another day.

[jung]

The way he pitched, there might be more to this thumb thing with Beckett after all. He pitched that poorly. Velocity was down. The ball was flat while being up and right in the heart of the plate.

 

I just don't think it likely that he can pitch like that without having some sort of a physical issue going on. In fact, while I would hate to have him on the DL for any length of time, I would prefer to think there is some physical issue than to think that he can pitch that poorly without something physical going on.

 

I think the velocity might be the clue. He was struggling to stay at 90-92 and unable to even hit 94 which he was hitting in ST.

 

The location and lack of velocity lead directly to the home runs. In a couple of cases they were absolute moon shots....just hammered and way out in what is a big ball park.

 

I know Beckett said that he felt compelled to have the thumb looked at when the shot he has been getting for the last eighteen months did not have the same effect. I wonder if in fact he upped the dose or changed the med whatever it is and lost feeling in his thumb. That might explain the lose in velocity and the location.

 

We will probably see something in the pre-game tomorrow or in the paper tomorrow.

[redsoxrules]

This team should have never let Scutaro go

[seabeachfred]

That other kid what's his name? that got sent down. He looked better, too. Had a great ST.

 

It's very tough for younger players to make this team. They prefer veterans.

 

And that could prove to be another achilles heel for the RedSox Sox Sport. If we get off to another lousy start (and we are well on our way to do just that), it may be time to shitcan the "we like veterans" crap and bring up some of our young prospects like Lavarnway and Middlebrooks and put them in the lineup. We haven't reached that point obviously but did you see Youkilis today? He looks like he is declining right before our eyes. Keep in mind that we could have upwards of 28 million dollars next winter for needed pitching if we can finally say adois to Ortiz and not pick up Kevin's option. We need to get younger sooner or later and this year might be just the time to do it if we look headed into the toilet by the end of June.

[seabeachfred]

Really don't want a repeat of 2001. That was a horrible summer to be a Sox fan.

 

My first full year as a RedSox fan MVP---and it was a long summer and a rotten September. The only consolation for me came when the Sox came to Anaheim and won a game with a big 8th inning rally. Aside from that the team sucked and the managers, Jimy and Joey, sucked bigger than the players did.

[seabeachfred]

I wonder if Beckett is going to be complaining about his thumb after the game. Personally' date=' I would prefer that this was just a butt kicking by two heavy hitters and that his thumb feels fine. If his performance was affected by the thumb, we may have some bad performances to watch from Beckett this season.[/quote']

 

That's what I hope too 700, but I am smelling SL from here. I hope not. This team has to start winning games and quick.

[Elktonnick]

It may be physical or it could be psychological but there is a connection between Beckett's performance today and his magical mystery tour in search of peace of mind. One does not need to be s PHD psychologist to see that. I don't think he was mentally prepared to pitch today judging by his performance. Whether he will recover depends on his peace of mind and attitude. In any case one can't take comfort from today's outing. I'd be more likely to shrug it off as early season jitters, except for his odyssey drama the days before. That is what makes this more worrisome.

[mvp 78]

It this point I'm more concerned with Youk than Beckett. After the 2010 injury, he's been in a perma-funk. Hope he snaps out of it over the next month.

 

The only way Middlebrooks is up is if Youk has a season ending injury.

 

All in all, it was just an old fashioned ass kicking today. It happens. It's not affecting my outlook on the season though.

[Elktonnick]

It this point I'm more concerned with Youk than Beckett. After the 2010 injury, he's been in a perma-funk. Hope he snaps out of it over the next month.

 

The only way Middlebrooks is up is if Youk has a season ending injury.

 

All in all, it was just an old fashioned ass kicking today. It happens. It's not affecting my outlook on the season though.

 

One should be concerned about Youk which is why I believe it was a mistake not to trade him during the winter. I said Youk won't play 100 games this year. That may be an over estimate on my part.

[jung]

I really did not like seeing those Youk lifting weights video pieces this winter because they were being presented as Youk in great shape video pieces and in reality they did not mean a darn thing. All it took was one look at Youk actually swinging a bat and if you didn't know the Youk lifting weights stuff was BS before that you knew it then. Isn't any such thing in baseball as bench press 175 lbs and run to first base.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

This team should have never let Scutaro go

 

I thought they made that move for a pitcher. We never got one so we should have kept him.

[SCM33]

Well......not happy with it, but expect more of this Beckett. He already has his excuses rolled out. No Varitek, bad thumb....and soon, the blisters.

 

I said it all offseason. Need more pitching. Need to trade Beckett. Need a SS. Need a catcher.

 

Its not the end of the season, anyone to say that is way too reactionary. The red flags should be raised, half staff minimum.

 

If Buccholz gives us a good game and the pen blows it, and we lose with our 4 and 5's.....the writing will pretty be much on the wall. At that point changes will HAVE to be made since they refused to do anything in the offseason. Either that, or we will see what the FO's plan is for this team.

[OriginalUsername]

Beckett must have been having chicken and beer between innings. I also can't believe how much weight Ortiz has lost. I guess he finally kicked the steroids.

[FredLynn]

Right on cue as expected.

 

Yeah, Beckett will pitch like this all season long.

 

Where's your the rest of y'alls posse?

 

Of course he isn't going to pitch THIS bad all season. Also, I do not expect him to have a good year. His history is that every other year he is good. This is that "other year". I am expecting an ERA for him around 4.20, slightly worse than his average since he joined the team. I think its about 4.03, though I don't have stats to look at right now. He has been quite inconsistent, I think you will agree if you review his history with the Red Sox (and if you keep an open mind when you look at those stats).

As long as your expectations for this season are not too high you will not be disappointed. Right now about 88 wins seems realistic to me. Its next year that I have much higher hopes for this team.

[FredLynn]

Aren't you so pissed the Sox are going to go 0-162??

 

Maybe I've got it all wrong. I thought a "rebuilding year" was when you dished off contracts for minor league high ceiling talent.

 

Guess they'll be rebuilding for the next 4-7 years.

 

Calm down Forsythe. Get a grip. You offer absurd predictions in the face of logic backed up with facts. 0-162? Really? How about 88-74?

And yes, they ARE rebuilding. High payroll franchises rebuild differently than, say, the A's or the Royals. We will still have a decent team, even in a rebuilding year such as this one. This is a year that we failed to address our blatant pitching needs because to do so would have been over the top financially while the clubhouse was still in so much of a mess that even with more pitching we likely would still have failed to win a ring.

Go ahead and be optimistic if you like. No one is denying you that privilege. Have at it. Accept however that there are those who do not agree with you.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lol Forsyth is one of the most optimistic posters there is.

[FredLynn]

Well......not happy with it, but expect more of this Beckett. He already has his excuses rolled out. No Varitek, bad thumb....and soon, the blisters.

 

I said it all offseason. Need more pitching. Need to trade Beckett. Need a SS. Need a catcher.

 

Its not the end of the season, anyone to say that is way too reactionary. The red flags should be raised, half staff minimum.

 

If Buccholz gives us a good game and the pen blows it, and we lose with our 4 and 5's.....the writing will pretty be much on the wall. At that point changes will HAVE to be made since they refused to do anything in the offseason. Either that, or we will see what the FO's plan is for this team.

 

Thats a reasonable assessment SCM. I agree with all of it except that we need to do something after five games. Another reasonable option is to admit that this is not going to be our year, cut our losses, and go with who we have on the roster right now with low expectations for the year. Yes, thats hard to swallow. However if the FO plays its cards right we could have a very very good team NEXT year.

[SCM33]

Calm down Forsythe. Get a grip. You offer absurd predictions in the face of logic backed up with facts. 0-162? Really? How about 88-74?

And yes, they ARE rebuilding. High payroll franchises rebuild differently than, say, the A's or the Royals. We will still have a decent team, even in a rebuilding year such as this one. This is a year that we failed to address our blatant pitching needs because to do so would have been over the top financially while the clubhouse was still in so much of a mess that even with more pitching we likely would still have failed to win a ring.

Go ahead and be optimistic if you like. No one is denying you that privilege. Have at it. Accept however that there are those who do not agree with you.

 

Soxfanforsythe was mocking you.

[FredLynn]

Lol Forsyth is one of the most optimistic posters there is.

 

Is that really true?

I am not sure why the sarcasm on his part. No one is predicting 0-162 as far as I know, not even Muggah. In fact, there is a lot of sarcasm being utilized in response to some very cogent posts here..and I think they detract from the discussion. Just my opinion.

[FredLynn]

Soxfanforsythe was mocking you.

 

And I was trying to calm him down.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Yeah I'm an optimistic fan because I saw how well this team played last year with a horrible back end of the rotation, so I know they're better than a 90-72 record.

 

I was just reacting to a post that said all of this was to be expected, etc, because its really not to be expected. I even said "If you project Beckett to post a 3.8-4.2 ERA, that's reasonable (which is what you've since projected, so that's reasonable)" but even that would have been 7 IP, 3 ER (which translates to a 3.86 ERA). Beckett's outing today was beyond atrocious so the fact that people are saying it wasn't surprising is crazy, that's all.

 

And if anything, I would call this year the last chance for guys like Youkilis and Ortiz to win a WS with this team. Next year will be the year where they are starting to rebuild by using guys like Iglesias, Lavarnway, Middlebrooks, etc.