Fenway now on the National Register of Historic Places

[Dojji]

http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7657680/fenway-park-listed-national-registry-historic-places

 

****. Now they're NEVER going to upgrade.

[onlybereaved]

Count me as one of the people who are stoked on this.

 

I would rather enjoy games at the current Fenway Park than in some hi-tech huge state of the art facility.

 

Different strokes.

[Emmz]

Word. I can appreciate Target Field/Miller Park/Jacobs Field, but there was something really sad about Yankee Stadium and all of the other old stadiums go down. Fenway and Wrigley are the only ones left. It just doesn't feel right to think about Fenway going down.

[SCM33]

How many games have you watched at Fenway?

 

I love the place, but its a dump and the seats were not built to seat anyone over 180 Lbs.

 

Between the RF seats that face the bullpen, the obstructed view monster seats, the obstructed view pole seats, parking, traffic and outrageous ticket prices and concession prices......the place needs to go.

 

Just look at the beautiful new park they built in FLO....replica of the old stadium with all the newer amenities.

[onlybereaved]

Right. I hear you.

 

The issue is that they wouldn't make a replica of the old stadium with all the newer amenities. They would increase capacity by 20 or 30 thousand people, and the atmosphere changes regardless of how hard they try to keep it intimate/similar. .

 

I have seen it happen in Buffalo (NHL, Sabres) as well as in Toronto (MLB, Jays) - Sure the older places were outdated, had no place to park, etc. But these new places that they sold folks on, suck so hard in comparison (atmosphere wise).

 

I would much rather sit in an out-dated uncomfortable seat at Fenway Park than in an awesome seat anywhere else. There's nowhere to park in Boston anywhere else, so people are used to that. Concession prices are no different than anywhere else as far as I am concerned.

 

So if you are suggesting that they need to replicate Fenway Park with the same capacity, but without the 1% of obstructed seats, and in a new location with more parking and cheaper concessions...I don't see that being something that would be even remotely close to worthwhile - in other words, it just wouldn't ever happen.

 

"suck it up, buttercup" is what I say to the whiners.

 

Would you rather see your favorite musician in a huge-ass 'comfy' stadium, or in a small venue with intimate atmosphere but 'not enough bathrooms' lol. There are pros and cons - totally different ways to look at it and huge give and take in either choice.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

^

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

For the record, I've never been to Fenway. I'm dying to go and the reason why is the atmosphere. I don't care to fly all the way from Miami, Florida to Boston just to be "comfy". If you're too big and don't like it then don't go, simple as that. Watch it from the comfort of your home. It's cheaper and you can't complain.

[seabeachfred]

I would imagine someone who has to sit in those antiquated seats ten or 15 times a year could bemoan the ballpark as a relic, but Fenway Park just stirs my soul. Every time I cross that railway bridge and see the place I feel suddenly 30 years younger. I won't belabor the point since I've mentioned it a few times but it was sitting in Fenway Park about 12 years ago that converted me to the Red Sox. I have no doubt since I am one of the old war horses around here that it is because I remember so many of the older ball parks that would be called classics today if they were still around but they aren't. Only Fenway and Wrigley Field remain and both of them bring a timelessness to baseball. You can call it what you like but I just love Fenway. I never want to see it be anything else than what it is right now. Sorry SCM.

[SCM33]

 

I would much rather sit in an out-dated uncomfortable seat at Fenway Park than in an awesome seat anywhere else. There's nowhere to park in Boston anywhere else, so people are used to that. Concession prices are no different than anywhere else as far as I am concerned.

Would you rather see your favorite musician in a huge-ass 'comfy' stadium, or in a small venue with intimate atmosphere but 'not enough bathrooms' lol. There are pros and cons - totally different ways to look at it and huge give and take in either choice.

 

 

I would imagine someone who has to sit in those antiquated seats ten or 15 times a year could bemoan the ballpark as a relic' date=' but Fenway Park just stirs my soul. Every time I cross that railway bridge and see the place I feel suddenly 30 years younger. I won't belabor the point since I've mentioned it a few times but it was sitting in Fenway Park about 12 years ago that converted me to the Red Sox. I have no doubt since I am one of the old war horses around here that it is because I remember so many of the older ball parks that would be called classics today if they were still around but they aren't. Only Fenway and Wrigley Field remain and both of them bring a timelessness to baseball. You can call it what you like but I just love Fenway. I never want to see it be anything else than what it is right now. Sorry SCM.[/quote']

 

For the record' date=' [b']I've never been to Fenway[/b]. I'm dying to go and the reason why is the atmosphere. I don't care to fly all the way from Miami, Florida to Boston just to be "comfy". If you're too big and don't like it then don't go, simple as that. Watch it from the comfort of your home. It's cheaper and you can't complain.

 

Yeah that's a great approach to take from a business standpoint. I love going to Fenway and go 5-10 times a year. That doesn't mean the place is great, the place sucks and its very expensive. If you want seats OTHER than bleachers, you are paying 200+ dollars a ticket (marked up 400-500% from face value) Plus, for the most part, the attendance doesn't even know a thing about baseball or the team, they too only want to go for the "atmosphere". You really cannot comment about anything regarding it since you've never been.

 

I too enjoy the place, but its a dump. After going to the new Yankee Stadium and Camden Yards....the place is just outdated. Its fine for people who are going for their first time or for the experience, but the place is a miserable, uncomfortable overpriced dump......and thats coming from someone who likes going there. I could not imagine being a ticket holder having to drive Storrow Drive 80 times a year during rush hour traffic in Boston which is best described as extremely painful.

 

A guy from Ontario (whos been there maybe a handful of times), a guy from Florida (who has NEVER been there), and another guy from California (who has also probably NEVER been there) are going to tell a guy who goes 5-10 times a year that hes wrong based on little actual experience there. They speak of "atmosphere" they have never even experienced and how comfort is overrated even though they have not ever sat in the seats. I've been there over 100 times in my life and I have lived 20 mins. outside the city my entire life, but I have no idea what I am talking about......

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Lol no need to get butthurt over it buddy. It's not even Fenway, it's in general. I'd watch Jimi Hendrix in a f***ing sewage. Don't get defensive. We just told you how we feel in our point of view.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

So what do people go to Fenway for more? The comfort or the atmosphere? Are you really comparing a stadium that was built a few years ago to a stadium that's been around for 100 years? NO s*** it's going to be different. Do you know how much of a difference that is? I'm sure it isn't the most comfortable place to be in after being around such a long time but I bet it isn't even that bad. You can still sit, walk, etc.

[SCM33]

So what do people go to Fenway for more? The comfort or the atmosphere? Are you really comparing a stadium that was built a few years ago to a stadium that's been around for 100 years? NO s*** it's going to be different. Do you know how much of a difference that is? I'm sure it isn't the most comfortable place to be in after being around such a long time but I bet it isn't even that bad. You can still sit' date=' walk, etc.[/quote']

 

Talk to me after you go.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I was expecting a response like that cause there isn't much to say. I will go and my view on the subject will stay the same. Expecting a stadium that's been around 100 years to be "comfy" is absolutely absurd.

[SCM33]

I was expecting a response like that cause there isn't much to say. I will go and my view on the subject will stay the same. Expecting a stadium that's been around 100 years to be "comfy" is absolutely absurd.

 

Absurd is the fact that you think my view is wrong and yours is right, even though you've never even been there.

 

Thats like me telling you that pro player stadium is awesome because the grass looks nice on tv and photographers take really nice pictures of it.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

If you show me where I said you were wrong, I'll drop it. Oh what's that? You can't find it? Of course not. That's the problem with talksox now a days. People don't see eye to eye with your opinion and they start something that isn't there. My original argument(that you're totally not arguing) is if you don't feel comfortable watchig a game at the park, then stay home. It's that simple. You're making it harder than it is. That right there is an opinion. Whether you agree or disagree on it, I don't care. "I'm going to bitch about the park after it's been out for a long tike but go to their games anyways." You obviously still go there for a reason. Now tell me, what is it that you go for? We already figured out it wasn't comfort. Please, I'm curious.

[a700hitter]

Absurd is the fact that you think my view is wrong and yours is right, even though you've never even been there.

 

Thats like me telling you that pro player stadium is awesome because the grass looks nice on tv and photographers take really nice pictures of it.

I've been going to Fenway for decades, and despite all the improvements made by the current ownership, it is a dump. They have managed to turn it into a shrine, but it really does suck when you spend $55/ticket and you cant see the pitchers mound or home plate because of a pole. But for the fact that the city is tremendously corrupt, making it logistically impossible to get a new place built, Fenway would already have been reduced to a memorial plaque.

[SCM33]

If you show me where I said you were wrong' date=' I'll drop it. Oh what's that? You can't find it? Of course not. That's the problem with talksox now a days. People don't see eye to eye with your [b']opinion[/b] and they start something that isn't there. My original argument(that you're totally not arguing) is if you don't feel comfortable watchig a game at the park, then stay home. It's that simple. You're making it harder than it is. That right there is an opinion. Whether you agree or disagree on it, I don't care. "I'm going to bitch about the park after it's been out for a long tike but go to their games anyways." You obviously still go there for a reason. Now tell me, what is it that you go for? We already figured out it wasn't comfort. Please, I'm curious.

 

Dont compare me to the "problem" with talksox now a days. I was around for the "good times"...well before June 29th 2010. So lets not even go down that road.

 

I said I love the place (Fenway), I said I enjoy the place, I said I go 5-10 times a year, I said Ive been going all my life.

 

You REPLIED TO MY argument, which was that it was a f***ing dump. Ive maintained that its a dump throughout......

 

I am not allowed to call it a dump and go to the games?

 

Why are you arguing with me? Its a dump.....you cant dress up a turd. The fact that the turd is old doesn't make it any more special than a regular turd.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I'm not trying to argue with you. To start off with, YOU quoted ME. My join date has nothing to do with this. It's always been a problem on talksox not just now so I'm not sure what point you're trying to male.. All I'm saying is no one is making you go to Fenway. You can bitch about it being a dump all you want. You can always save yourself tickets, parking, and gas by watching it in your living room with a big screen and a cold one.

[SCM33]

I'm not trying to argue with you. To start off with' date=' [b']YOU[/b] quoted ME. My join date has nothing to do with this. It's always been a problem on talksox not just now so I'm not sure what point you're trying to male.. All I'm saying is no one is making you go to Fenway. You can bitch about it being a dump all you want. You can always save yourself tickets, parking, and gas by watching it in your living room with a big screen and a cold one.

 

I am going to end this argument with this, since I do not want to argue with you.....since I consider you a "friend" in the forum world.

 

Boston area fans don't have a choice, and you do not understand this.....since you live far enough away where you cant go to the games. If we want to watch our team in person, we HAVE to go to Fenway.

 

I want to go to the games. I want to go to Fenway. I think Fenway is an important part of baseball history.

 

But like I said, it is a dump and it is expensive and it is a nightmare to get to at times. How am I better off watching the game at home if I want to see them live knowing that the only option is an outdated insufficient ballpark?

 

I hate the saying....."but it is, what it is". I love going, but I wish the destination and money spent was more "friendly". Unfortunately, "Friendly Fenway" isnt so friendly to the average consumer.

[onlybereaved]

@Sweet Chin Music33

 

With all due respect, you being from Boston and going there 5-10 times per year vs. me or someone else from Ontario, FLA, CA or anywhere else for that matter who goes 1 time per year doesn't make you right and me wrong. It's subjective.

 

Also, your mention of most of the people in attendance not knowing baseball or caring about the team is true. But whether the capacity was 39,000 or 70,000, I feel as though that same percentage of corporate-suits would be there high on coke trying to feel important/cool, or whatever they do.

 

As far as giving RedSoxfanforlife305 grief for having an opinion without having been there...Really? I knew of the small percentage of pole obstruction seats and of the differences between Fenway Park and other new-style places prior attending Fenway. 6/10 Red Sox fans aren't from Boston, and 1/3 of them have never been to Fenway Park (I made these up, right on the spot, lol).

 

@a700hitter I say, if that's the case then don't bother spending a dime on the tickets unless it's a seat you can see home-plate and the mound from (or not have any other complaints about). I hear you guys, but it's not like these seats are made of razor blades and give you cancer while facing the washrooms and having the potential to explode killing innocent children at any point. I just use the seating chart, and do 3 mins of homework on the seat before I buy it. Also, Boston considers any/every part of their history to be a shrine, why not Fenway Park as well? Would be hugely hypocritical if it wasn't.

 

Either way you will have 2 valid sides to the argument - and I don't care who lives in Boston or who has been to more games. The truth is that it would be both crucial/awesome as well as devastating/terrible to get rid of 'the dump' to erect an amazing state of the art version.

 

Also, some people would roll over in their graves to hear Boston Red Sox fans calling Fenway Park a dump and whining about the seats not being lazy-boys. People nowadays, man. lol. (keep in mind, I am in good spirits about the discussion, no-one get upset now)

[Emmz]

http://fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/506x316_rich.jpg

 

It stinks, and I don't like it.

[a700hitter]

@Sweet Chin Music33

 

With all due respect, you being from Boston and going there 5-10 times per year vs. me or someone else from Ontario, FLA, CA or anywhere else for that matter who goes 1 time per year doesn't make you right and me wrong. It's subjective.

 

Also, your mention of most of the people in attendance not knowing baseball or caring about the team is true. But whether the capacity was 39,000 or 70,000, I feel as though that same percentage of corporate-suits would be there high on coke trying to feel important/cool, or whatever they do.

 

As far as giving RedSoxfanforlife305 grief for having an opinion without having been there...Really? I knew of the small percentage of pole obstruction seats and of the differences between Fenway Park and other new-style places prior attending Fenway. 6/10 Red Sox fans aren't from Boston, and 1/3 of them have never been to Fenway Park (I made these up, right on the spot, lol).

 

@a700hitter I say, if that's the case then don't bother spending a dime on the tickets unless it's a seat you can see home-plate and the mound from (or not have any other complaints about). I hear you guys, but it's not like these seats are made of razor blades and give you cancer while facing the washrooms and having the potential to explode killing innocent children at any point. I just use the seating chart, and do 3 mins of homework on the seat before I buy it. Also, Boston considers any/every part of their history to be a shrine, why not Fenway Park as well? Would be hugely hypocritical if it wasn't.

 

Either way you will have 2 valid sides to the argument - and I don't care who lives in Boston or who has been to more games. The truth is that it would be both crucial/awesome as well as devastating/terrible to get rid of 'the dump' to erect an amazing state of the art version.

 

Also, some people would roll over in their graves to hear Boston Red Sox fans calling Fenway Park a dump and whining about the seats not being lazy-boys. People nowadays, man. lol. (keep in mind, I am in good spirits about the discussion, no-one get upset now)

Unfortunately, only the seats almost directly behind a post are designated as "obstructed view". There are thousands of seat that have views that are obstructed in one way or another. It's easy to say that I should just buy seats that are not obstructed. Easier said than done. The best seats with no obstructions are largely season tickets. Those that are not are $95 plus seats.

 

Fenway has a lot of great memories for me, but it is not a good place to watch a ballgame compared to all the great new ballparks that have been built in the last 15 or so years. Shrines are fine, but they are not a great place to watch ballgames.

[Emmz]

Go to bed, you old geezer.

[Spudboy]

Right. I hear you.

 

The issue is that they wouldn't make a replica of the old stadium with all the newer amenities. They would increase capacity by 20 or 30 thousand people, and the atmosphere changes regardless of how hard they try to keep it intimate/similar. .

 

I have seen it happen in Buffalo (NHL, Sabres) as well as in Toronto (MLB, Jays) - Sure the older places were outdated, had no place to park, etc. But these new places that they sold folks on, suck so hard in comparison (atmosphere wise).

 

I would much rather sit in an out-dated uncomfortable seat at Fenway Park than in an awesome seat anywhere else. There's nowhere to park in Boston anywhere else, so people are used to that. Concession prices are no different than anywhere else as far as I am concerned.

 

So if you are suggesting that they need to replicate Fenway Park with the same capacity, but without the 1% of obstructed seats, and in a new location with more parking and cheaper concessions...I don't see that being something that would be even remotely close to worthwhile - in other words, it just wouldn't ever happen.

 

"suck it up, buttercup" is what I say to the whiners.

 

Would you rather see your favorite musician in a huge-ass 'comfy' stadium, or in a small venue with intimate atmosphere but 'not enough bathrooms' lol. There are pros and cons - totally different ways to look at it and huge give and take in either choice.

 

I don't consider myself a whiner. I know quite a bit about business, branding, marketing, client services, and facility design and construction. SCM is absolutely correct. I won't get into a whole essay on this subject. I will say that far greater than 1% of the seats are obstructed. Also, the real reason the stadium will not be replaced anytime soon are economic and political. One needs to actually live here to know these things it would seem.

 

Just the same I am proud that that dump is the home venue of the team that I have been loyally following for 47 years.

[onlybereaved]

In the end, I guess I am largely ignorant to the greater-picture as you guys would see it.

 

If I lived in Boston, I would most likely have the opposite opinions of the ones I previously posted. It would be frustrating to live within Fenway vicinity and to not be able to see more than a couple of games per season (and those games may be in an obstructed-view out-dated seat, and I would have to over-pay considerably just to be there).

 

My opinion is based on being able to see 1 or 2 games a season, and the trip to Boston being considered a vacation where I book time off of work, and spend more than I normally would otherwise given my being a Red Sox fan but living 800 miles away in a different country.

 

I hear you guys, I hear you.

 

I have been blessed having been able to see the Red Sox at Fenway Park, and I would be blessed being able to see them in the future even if that were at a new and up-to-date facility.

 

Ultimately the world is a scary place right now, and I don't want to argue with people who are passionate about the same baseball team as me. More important things to worry about (like should I not have children because the people who run the world are psychotic tyrant murderers, etc)

 

I am also the king at grammatical errors and run-on sentences, eh?

 

Edit to note...You guys ever watch an MLB game in the "Skydome" aka Rogers Center? LOL. Good Lord. You talk about having the opposite problem as the ones discussed here with Fenway Park. It's like endless capacity, no obstruction per-Se, but you're feel like you're watching the game from outer space or from a few blocks away at least unless you're sitting in the first 100 rows lol. That most likely adds to my biased opinion on why Fenway Park is awesome to me.

[Spudboy]

In the end, I guess I am largely ignorant to the greater-picture as you guys would see it.

 

If I lived in Boston, I would most likely have the opposite opinions of the ones I previously posted. It would be frustrating to live within Fenway vicinity and to not be able to see more than a couple of games per season (and those games may be in an obstructed-view out-dated seat, and I would have to over-pay considerably just to be there).

 

My opinion is based on being able to see 1 or 2 games a season, and the trip to Boston being considered a vacation where I book time off of work, and spend more than I normally would otherwise given my being a Red Sox fan but living 800 miles away in a different country.

 

I hear you guys, I hear you.

 

I have been blessed having been able to see the Red Sox at Fenway Park, and I would be blessed being able to see them in the future even if that were at a new and up-to-date facility.

 

Ultimately the world is a scary place right now, and I don't want to argue with people who are passionate about the same baseball team as me. More important things to worry about (like should I not have children because the people who run the world are psychotic tyrant murderers, etc)

 

I am also the king at grammatical errors and run-on sentences, eh?

Edit to note...You guys ever watch an MLB game in the "Skydome" aka Rogers Center? LOL. Good Lord. You talk about having the opposite problem as the ones discussed here with Fenway Park. It's like endless capacity, no obstruction per-Se, but you're feel like you're watching the game from outer space or from a few blocks away at least unless you're sitting in the first 100 rows lol. That most likely adds to my biased opinion on why Fenway Park is awesome to me.

 

Point very well taken my friend. And please know that your composition and posting skills are just fine. Be thankful that you know how to spell otherwise you'd likely have VA up your ass all the time!:lol:

[onlybereaved]

Thanks, SB.

 

I just don't want to come across as "that new guy from Gaynada who is already stepping on peoples toes" lol.

 

Cheers.

[Dojji]

I've never been to Fenway. There's a couple points where I might have managed to scrape the money together and go but was daunted by the reputation of the tiny seating. It's no great mystery that people are bigger than they were 100 years ago, and I'm big for a modern person, clocking in at well over 350 pounds. There's no way I could actually visit Fenway and take in a game without leaving with a significantly gimpy gait, either from the constipated seating, or from having to stand for 3-4 hours with little relief. The place just isn't built for me.

 

I'll tell you all this right now. A 50,000 seat stadium, if they could find a place to put one with T access, bigger seats and all the amenities, would have 50,000 fans paying just as much as 30,000 fans pay right now, to take in those baseball games. Demand is sky high. It's not a question in my mind. They would make more money if they abandoned Fenway, at least they would once the fan revolt died down. They are tying their wrists and ankles together revenue-wise sticking with history over good business practice.

[mvp 78]

Locals hate it. Vacationers love it.

 

Just build a new park and have a minor league team play at Fenway.

[Dojji]

Move the Pawsox to the Fens?

 

I'd love it. Could it pay for the AAA franchise? Fenway is not cheap to maintain.

 

The interest there for me is because that would allow the franchise to do things like decide to host playoff games or other special ballgames at the Fens (Patriot's Day?)