Nationals to Sign Edwin jackson

[iortiz]

Hit and run tactic.

 

Classic.

 

Can't you see? A 16 Forbes team is a big market team these days.

 

BTW suddenly he is interested. Mass of contradictions. Be prepare for going in circles.

[a700hitter]

But' date=' they are in the top-10. Not only that, but they have ownership of their broadcast network. The DC metro area is 12M strong, which means they get subscription revenues from a lot of those people through MASN. That's how the "big" market teams make gobs of money. Every month they get those subscription fees from the cable customers who buy into the regional networks via their cable packages. The Nats are absolutely big market, despite their popularity.[/quote']There is a big population, but yet they are not a big market team.

 

The O's screwed them over with regard to the TV rights when the Nats came into the league. I haven't followed it very closely, but it has hurt the Nats and i believe that there has been ongoing litigation on this point.

[a700hitter]

Still here.

This being in the wrong forum was bothersome to you, but you are not in the least OCD. Okay. A mod should probably move the thread, but I guess it didn't bother them.

[TheWiffler]

Actually they don't' date=' they already solved the problem with the new luxury cap rules, it'll be difficult for even teams like the Yankees and Red Sox to stay above the cap for years at a time in the future.[/quote']

 

You're out of your mind. They might not exceed the luxury cap, but the Pirates are still spending 40 million while the Sox and Yankees are well over 150

[a700hitter]

Not in the least. And' date=' I'm also right, like usual.[/quote']If you are saying that the Nats are a Big market team, you are most certainly wrong.

[TheWiffler]

And I'm a Sox fan. As much as I love being able to spend money, it's still a stupid system

[Palodios]

You have abosolutely no idea how revenues are shared in MLB. The jerseys, the hats, the promotional baseballs....ie all the merchandise, and, this is important, all outside the US revenues are split 30 ways with each team getting an equal share. The only, ONLY, place an MLB team has a chance to differentiate from the competition in revenues is in the local market. Most "big" market teams actually own the broadcast network that airs the games to the local market.

 

If what others have posted is correct, and I haven't gone back far enough to check because I simply don't care enough to, and this discussion started because you said the Nats are a "small market team", then they are right. The Nationals ownership is part owner of MASN (shared with the Baltimore Orioles), the regional network that airs their games, and their media market is massive.

 

Excellent post.

[ORS]

There is a big population, but yet they are not a big market team.

 

The O's screwed them over with regard to the TV rights when the Nats came into the league. I haven't followed it very closely, but it has hurt the Nats and i believe that there has been ongoing litigation on this point.

There was dispute at the outset. The O's, for a time, got compensation via MASN for the addition of the Nationals intruding on what they claimed was their market (DC), but it has been resolved with the Nats being part owners of MASN. I am familiar with it, because I grew up in the DC area.

[ORS]

If you are saying that the Nats are a Big market team' date=' you are most certainly wrong.[/quote']

No, I'm not. They are. Not only is the DC metro area the #8 media market in the nation, but the local market for DC baseball extends into all of the state of Virginia, some of southern Maryland, and some of NC. It's massive.

[ORS]

This being in the wrong forum was bothersome to you' date=' but you are not in the least OCD. Okay. A mod should probably move the thread, but I guess it didn't bother them.[/quote']

Keep deflecting attention from your error and focussing on accusations of my irrational behavior. It's a common tactic for you.

[Emmz]

Classic.

 

Can't you see? A 16 Forbes team is a big market team these days.

 

BTW suddenly he is interested. Mass of contradictions. Be prepare for going in circles.

 

Hate to say it, but ORS is the only one making rational arguments right now.

[a700hitter]

Keep deflecting attention from your error and focussing on accusations of my irrational behavior. It's a common tactic for you.

I never accused you of being irrational just quirky. Boy, for someone with the Military in their Avatar and a rifle mentioned in his custom user title, you are very sensitive. I don't know why you take everything as a personal insult. What next, you'll accuse me of insulting you with my silence?

[FredLynn]

Define big.

This discussion is getting absurd...but have at it.

[ORS]

Classic.

 

Can't you see? A 16 Forbes team is a big market team these days.

 

BTW suddenly he is interested. Mass of contradictions. Be prepare for going in circles.

Where have I contradicted myself? I said I wasn't interested in back-reading the thread, and I still have not done that.

[TheWiffler]

Us sox fans are sensitive people

[iortiz]

Define big.

This discussion is getting absurd...but have at it.

 

The Washington Nationals. They are a big market team, just as NYY.

[ORS]

I never accused you of being irrational just quirky. Boy' date=' for someone with the Military in their Avatar and a rifle mentioned in his custom user title, you are very sensitive. I don't know why you take everything as a personal insult. What next, you'll accuse me of insulting you with my silence?[/quote']

Jeez, now you are plagarizing. You are really at the end of your rope.

 

BTW, maybe it's just me, but I consider OCD to be irrational, and that was what you accused me of.

[TheWiffler]

Define big.

This discussion is getting absurd...but have at it.

 

Over $100 mill

[TheWiffler]

WHats the Nats payroll? I have no clue

[a700hitter]

No' date=' I'm not. They are. Not only is the DC metro area the #8 media market in the nation, but the local market for DC baseball extends into all of the state of Virginia, some of southern Maryland, and some of NC. It's massive.[/quote']Then we can agree to disagree. They have no following. There are a lot of people there, but very little interest in the Nationals.

[iortiz]

Then we can agree to disagree. They have no following. There are a lot of people there' date=' but very little interest in the Nationals.[/quote']

 

Even in their own hometown nobody gives a s*** about them, but they are a big market team. Sure.

[a700hitter]

Jeez, now you are plagarizing. You are really at the end of your rope.

 

BTW, maybe it's just me, but I consider OCD to be irrational, and that was what you accused me of.

Oh, you are taking the D portion of the OCD much too seriously. In common parlance people don't use it in a diagnostic way, just as calling someone an ******* doesn't mean that they are that part of the human anatomy.

[ORS]

Then we can agree to disagree. They have no following. There are a lot of people there' date=' but very little interest in the Nationals.[/quote']

That's really irrelevant. What makes a big market team is revenues. Through MASN and the size of their market, they will be players in the FA market.

 

The only thing that may make them less active is their ownership group. The big-stake owners are the Lerner Enterprizes Group, a billion dollar real estate developer. Working for a DC based general contractor, I've heard several stories about how cheap these people are, so they may end up being on the smaller end of big market teams in terms of overall spending, but that will be because of pocket lining and not capability. They will have the means to be players, and recent history suggests they plan to do that to grow their fanbase/popularity.

[ORS]

Oh' date=' you are taking the D portion of the OCD much too seriously. In common parlance people don't use it in a diagnostic way, just as calling someone an ******* doesn't mean that they are that part of the human anatomy.[/quote']

No, I was thinking of the OC. Obsessive and Compulsive doesn't sound like rational behavior to me. Your mileage may vary.

[TheWiffler]

If they sign talent, people will pay attention. God knows the DC area is sick of the Orioles

[ORS]

Even in their own hometown nobody gives a s*** about them' date=' but they are a big market team. Sure.[/quote']

Irrelevant....sure, enough.

[iortiz]

Irrelevant....sure' date=' enough.[/quote']

 

Mostly for MASN, right?

[ORS]

Mostly for MASN' date=' right?[/quote']

Look, no offense, but you don't know what you are talking about....in any language. You think team valuations and popularity have relevance here when they don't. You spent a day talking about international revenues, when you didn't know those are split equally among the 30 teams. You are out of your element in this argument because you don't know enough about baseball revenues to speak intelligently about it.

[a700hitter]

No' date=' I'm not. They are. Not only is the DC metro area the #8 media market in the nation, but the local market for DC baseball extends into all of the state of Virginia, some of southern Maryland, and some of NC. It's massive.[/quote']With regard to the argument big versus small market team (no freakin middle), this argument ran it's course three hours ago. You haven't brought anything new to it. We already have been presented with this fact. If you have something new or illuminating, bring it forth.

 

Baseball has a few hugely popular franchises and the rest of them play the "Washington Generals" to their Globetrotters. The big guys help get them all rich. It's better for baseball for the Yankees, Sox and Dodgers to be good every year with an uneven playing field than to try to achieve parity. The fans of the big market teams pack the ballparks all over the country as those big market teams travel around. They have huge footprints. They buy most of the officially licensed goods and the proceeds are split evenly 30 ways, and the smallest franchises get welfare from the biggest clubs.

[a700hitter]

No' date=' I was thinking of the OC. Obsessive and Compulsive doesn't sound like rational behavior to me. Your mileage may vary.[/quote']It's only bad when it is a disorder.