Pujols an Angel

[Meh]

The Angels are the bridesmaid no more. Albert Pujols will sign with the Angels for ten years and $250-260MM, tweets Yahoo's Tim Brown. He'll receive a full no-trade clause. Pujols decided this morning, writes Brown.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/angels-to-sign-albert-pujols.html

 

Dear God... Pujols in the AL, gah!

[a700hitter]

The Angels are the bridesmaid no more. Albert Pujols will sign with the Angels for ten years and $250-260MM, tweets Yahoo's Tim Brown. He'll receive a full no-trade clause. Pujols decided this morning, writes Brown.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/angels-to-sign-albert-pujols.html

 

Dear God... Pujols in the AL, gah!

Wow!!!

[Laser Show]

Wow, I fully expected the Cards to resign him when the Marlins bid fell through.

[yeszir]

uh oh

[redsoxrules]

their still trying to get Wilson on top of that

[MANNYHOF24]

Terrible contract for a 32 year old (some say he is older). See A-ROD.

 

Should make the Angels great for a few years though.

[iortiz]

And the money is not the driver? Yeah, sure!

 

Wow!

[redsoxrules]

Terrible contract for a 32 year old (some say he is older). See A-ROD.

 

Should make the Angels great for a few years though.

 

Pujols > A-rod

 

the tail end will be bad but he'll make up for that in the first few years .

[Laser Show]

Pujols > A-rod

 

the tail end will be bad but he'll make up for that in the first few years .

 

That's debatable.

 

ARod was coming off a .314/.422/.645 season with 54 HR, 156 RBI, 24 SB, plenty of speed, good glove, and only had a couple of minor injuries in his career. He also plays 2 premium positions well.

 

Pujols is coming off a .299/.366/.541 season with 37 HR, 99 RBI, 9 SB. While some say it was a down year, it could also signal the beginning of a decline.

[YAZMAN]

rut row, Shaggy...

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Fixed.

[Emmz]

Terrible contract for a 32 year old (some say he is older). See A-ROD.

 

Should make the Angels great for a few years though.

 

A-Rod was not even close to what Pujols was. A-Rod was a roller coaster who could put up a 1.100 OPS one year then follow up with a .800-.900 OPS year. I think it's always bad to sign a guy in his 30s to a 10 year deal, but this isn't A-Rod, this is a guy who legitimately has a chance to retire the best clean offensive player of all time, and he's probably the best hitter any of us who didn't see Ted Williams, like Spudboy or a700, will get to see.

 

Pujols is absolutely better than A-Rod at his best. An off year for him is .300 with 30 homers and 100 RBIs right now. I could definitely see it going bad when he gets into his late 30s, but lets not group him in with A-Rod as a sure bet for a terrible contract yet. This guy's a monster.

[Emmz]

That's debatable.

 

ARod was coming off a .314/.422/.645 season with 54 HR, 156 RBI, 24 SB, plenty of speed, good glove, and only had a couple of minor injuries in his career. He also plays 2 premium positions well.

 

Pujols is coming off a .299/.366/.541 season with 37 HR, 99 RBI, 9 SB. While some say it was a down year, it could also signal the beginning of a decline.

 

Please stop yourself. It's not even close dude.

[a700hitter]

A-Rod was not even close to what Pujols was. A-Rod was a roller coaster who could put up a 1.100 OPS one year then follow up with a .800-.900 OPS year. I think it's always bad to sign a guy in his 30s to a 10 year deal, but this isn't A-Rod, this is a guy who legitimately has a chance to retire the best clean offensive player of all time, and he's probably the best hitter any of us who didn't see Ted Williams, like Spudboy or a700, will get to see.

 

Pujols is absolutely better than A-Rod at his best. An off year for him is .300 with 30 homers and 100 RBIs right now. I could definitely see it going bad when he gets into his late 30s, but lets not group him in with A-Rod as a sure bet for a terrible contract yet. This guy's a monster.

i never saw Teddy Ballgame play, but I did see him manage.

[Laser Show]

A-Rod was not even close to what Pujols was. A-Rod was a roller coaster who could put up a 1.100 OPS one year then follow up with a .800-.900 OPS year. I think it's always bad to sign a guy in his 30s to a 10 year deal, but this isn't A-Rod, this is a guy who legitimately has a chance to retire the best clean offensive player of all time, and he's probably the best hitter any of us who didn't see Ted Williams, like Spudboy or a700, will get to see.

 

Pujols is absolutely better than A-Rod at his best. An off year for him is .300 with 30 homers and 100 RBIs right now. I could definitely see it going bad when he gets into his late 30s, but lets not group him in with A-Rod as a sure bet for a terrible contract yet. This guy's a monster.

 

Please stop yourself. It's not even close dude.

 

It's not close from which side?

 

They're pretty comparable.

 

ARod 96-07 - 7.5 WAR/season

Pujols 01-11 - 8.1 WAR/season

 

ARod OPS min/max 96-07 - .846/.1067

Pujols OPS min/max 01-11 - .906/.1114

 

ARod also played the most premium offensive position for 8 of those years, SS.

[Emmz]

That's a cool way to spin it, but there's two things with that:

 

1. You're underplaying the value of .6 WAR over the course of 10 years.

 

2. A-Rod's WAR was extremely inconsistent, yet Pujols had the better career-high WAR out of the two, all the while pretty much staying at a consistent 7-9 WAR every year. A-Rod had lower highs and more frequent lows.

[a700hitter]

ARod is a better all around player, fielding and base running.

[Flynnatic10]

Wow. As a casual baseball fan, I will always remember Pujols as a St. Louis Cardinal. It will be tough not to see him hit for the Cardinals.

 

On a semi related note, at least he won a championship before he left!

[Emmz]

WAR accounts for everything, and Pujols is the better player, and as far as we know didn't/doesn't use steroids.

 

Pujols is an elite fielding 1B on top of superior hitting, A-Rod was a good SS once upon a time, and a good base runner, but he stopped being both about 10 years ago almost now.

 

Better "all around" is a very tricky word to use. Willie Mays might be the best all around player of all time, but I think a lot of people consider Williams or Ruth the best, and A-Rod isn't even close to as all around good as Mays was (supposedly, since most of us didn't see him play).

 

Maybe Mays is the greatest of all time, but like I said A-Rod will never be considered as all-around as Mays.

[Emmz]

Wow. As a casual baseball fan, I will always remember Pujols as a St. Louis Cardinal. It will be tough not to see him hit for the Cardinals.

 

On a semi related note, at least he won a championship before he left!

 

He has two rings with the Cards.

[Flynnatic10]

He has two rings with the Cards.

 

I'm aware of that. It was a joke that was supposed to rip LeBron leaving Cleveland.

[Laser Show]

That's a cool way to spin it, but there's two things with that:

 

1. You're underplaying the value of .6 WAR over the course of 10 years.

 

2. A-Rod's WAR was extremely inconsistent, yet Pujols had the better career-high WAR out of the two, all the while pretty much staying at a consistent 7-9 WAR every year. A-Rod had lower highs and more frequent lows.

 

WAR accounts for everything, and Pujols is the better player, and as far as we know didn't/doesn't use steroids.

 

Pujols is an elite fielding 1B on top of superior hitting, A-Rod was a good SS once upon a time, and a good base runner, but he stopped being both about 10 years ago almost now.

 

Better "all around" is a very tricky word to use. Willie Mays might be the best all around player of all time, but I think a lot of people consider Williams or Ruth the best, and A-Rod isn't even close to as all around good as Mays was (supposedly, since most of us didn't see him play).

 

Maybe Mays is the greatest of all time, but like I said A-Rod will never be considered as all-around as Mays.

 

It's opinion, I'd take ARod in his prime, you'd take Pujols. Neither of us would be wrong.

[a700hitter]

The Cards will move Berkman to first base, where he belongs and they will probably sign Beltran immensely improving their OF defense while bringing in a nice stick too, and they'll save a load of dough.

[Reck]

Wow did not see this coming.

 

So money did play a hand in this.

 

Angels though? Pujols wont be back to the World Series for the rest of his career. Angels Lineup is too weak, hard to believe he's gonna push them through by himself.

[Emmz]

It's opinion' date=' I'd take ARod in his prime, you'd take Pujols. Neither of us would be wrong.[/quote']

 

That's a cop-out. You're welcome to have an opinion but don't try to pass it off as fact, and don't pull out random cherry-picker stats. All stats favor Pujols. Them's the facts.

[a700hitter]

That's a cop-out. You're welcome to have an opinion but don't try to pass it off as fact' date=' and don't pull out random cherry-picker stats. All stats favor Pujols. Them's the facts.[/quote']Big hitting first baseman are a lot more common than big hitting shortstops. I'd start my team with ARod over Pujols, not by much.

[Emmz]

That's just not the right way to look at it. Pujols' offense is so much more over the top than A-Rod's. Pujols is also an elite-fielding first baseman, like I said Rodriguez hasn't been good in the field for a while now, and he plays 3B, has for 10 years almost now. Rodriguez is going to be a DH for most of the rest of his career, and Pujols doesn't look like he's going to be slowing down at 1B.

 

I don't care what position they play, the difference between the two offensively is pretty wide. You're being way too simple-minded when you call them both "big hitting", it distorts the truth, which is A-Rod's a once per generation talent who as far as we know cheated to get to that point. Pujols is a once in the history of baseball level talent who's production rivals the Splinter and the Bambino who as far as we know is legit. If he gets caught, he's still a better offensive talent, and as far as 'roid users go, Bonds puts them all to shame.

[jacksonianmarch]

ARod prior to his stint with Texas put up three straight 40+HR seasons with a .900+OPS and between 15 and 46 steals while playing prime time defense at SS. Arod prior to resigning with NY was playing GG caliber defense at 3b and was coming off 3 straight seasons in NY with a combined line of...

 

1760AB 380R 543H 86-2B 2-3B 137HR 407RBI 276BB 60SB for a slash line of .309/.402/.593 and an average of 127R, 46HR and 136RBI. That kind of production from a 3b is unheard of and rare anywhere. ARod earned both contracts. He wasnt some pampered douche who couldnt play. He was the best player in baseball from 2005-2007. Pujols, you can say has been the best player in baseball since ARod signed his deal

[jacksonianmarch]

That's just not the right way to look at it. Pujols' offense is so much more over the top than A-Rod's. Pujols is also an elite-fielding first baseman, like I said Rodriguez hasn't been good in the field for a while now, and he plays 3B, has for 10 years almost now. Rodriguez is going to be a DH for most of the rest of his career, and Pujols doesn't look like he's going to be slowing down at 1B.

 

I don't care what position they play, the difference between the two offensively is pretty wide. You're being way too simple-minded when you call them both "big hitting", it distorts the truth, which is A-Rod's a once per generation talent who as far as we know cheated to get to that point. Pujols is a once in the history of baseball level talent who's production rivals the Splinter and the Bambino who as far as we know is legit. If he gets caught, he's still a better offensive talent, and as far as 'roid users go, Bonds puts them all to shame.

 

You are isolating his game, which is not giving him his due. Listen, ARod has been great in a Yankee uniform for 3 of his 8 seasons, so as far as I am concerned, he has been somewhat disappointing. And it is easy to look in the retrospectoscope. Yes, the guy cheated. SO did nearly everyone and my guess is Pujols did as well. So be it. But ARod was the guy you build your team around and was coming off his career best season. Pujols is a guy you could build your team around too, but a SS or 3B with elite offensive production is worth more than a 1b with slightly better production. Regardless, we're talking about generational talents who both got 10 yr deals on the wrong side of 30. ARod had a very good 2008, an injury filled but productive 2009 and two subpar injury marred years in 2010 and 2011. My guess is Pujols will likely give 2 more great yrs then start on the same curve as ARod was 2 yrs older than Pujols at the beginning of his 10 yr deal

[Emmz]

You are isolating his game' date=' which is not giving him his due. Listen, ARod has been great in a Yankee uniform for 3 of his 8 seasons, so as far as I am concerned, he has been somewhat disappointing. And it is easy to look in the retrospectoscope. Yes, the guy cheated. SO did nearly everyone and my guess is Pujols did as well. So be it. But ARod was the guy you build your team around and was coming off his career best season. Pujols is a guy you could build your team around too, but a SS or 3B with elite offensive production is worth more than a 1b with slightly better production. Regardless, we're talking about generational talents who both got 10 yr deals on the wrong side of 30. ARod had a very good 2008, an injury filled but productive 2009 and two subpar injury marred years in 2010 and 2011. My guess is Pujols will likely give 2 more great yrs then start on the same curve as ARod was 2 yrs older than Pujols at the beginning of his 10 yr deal[/quote']

 

Not slightly better, just better, vastly superior. Maybe you forgot to look at the stats?

 

Advanced stats put Pujols as better, and so do basic stats. You're just talking out of your ass dude. A-Rod's best season in OPS+ is 6 points over Pujols' CAREER AVERAGE OPS+.

 

A-Rod's lifetime OPS+ is 144, nearly a whole 30 points lower than Pujols' 170.

 

He's not slightly better, he's vastly superior, and there's no debating that really.

 

It's the difference between Hank Aaron's bat and Babe Ruth's.