Pujols an Angel

[Reck]

Good old Emmz, the most knowledgeable poster on the site. Give it up guys. She's the guru, you lose.

[Emmz]

Good old Reck, not knowing his limitations and that think's he's a colossal douchecock.

 

I know you like me and everything but boys usually stop being ass nuggets to try getting women when they're like 12. Sorry Recky.

[Palodios]

Good old Emmz' date=' the most knowledgeable poster on the site. Give it up guys. She's the guru, you lose. [/quote']

 

The stats are in her favor for this one. Pujols is a significantly better hitter, and even with positional scarcity, he still comes out ahead overall, and playing 1B is a lot better for his longterm health than middle infield.

[Reck]

Good old Reck, not knowing his limitations and that think's he's a colossal douchecock.

 

I know you like me and everything but boys usually stop being ass nuggets to try getting women when they're like 12. Sorry Recky.

 

Ohhh we have a live one.

[Spudboy]

A-Rod was not even close to what Pujols was. A-Rod was a roller coaster who could put up a 1.100 OPS one year then follow up with a .800-.900 OPS year. I think it's always bad to sign a guy in his 30s to a 10 year deal, but this isn't A-Rod, this is a guy who legitimately has a chance to retire the best clean offensive player of all time, and he's probably the best hitter any of us who didn't see Ted Williams, like Spudboy or a700, will get to see.

 

Pujols is absolutely better than A-Rod at his best. An off year for him is .300 with 30 homers and 100 RBIs right now. I could definitely see it going bad when he gets into his late 30s, but lets not group him in with A-Rod as a sure bet for a terrible contract yet. This guy's a monster.

 

Like a700, I never had the privilege to see Ted Williams play. I agree Pujols is a beast. And he can DH in the AL so that may extend his career. Although I don't see him being nearly as productive as he approaches the end of his contract.

[Spudboy]

Good old Reck, not knowing his limitations and that think's he's a colossal douchecock.

 

I know you like me and everything but boys usually stop being ass nuggets to try getting women when they're like 12. Sorry Recky.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! "Recky" has not learned that arguing with a woman is futile. Especially when that woman is correct.

 

 

The stats are in her favor for this one. Pujols is a significantly better hitter' date=' and even with positional scarcity, he still comes out ahead overall, and playing 1B is a lot better for his longterm health than middle infield.[/quote']

 

Pujols is a monster "Generational Talent". How anyone can argue that A-Roid is superior is beyond comprehension.

[Spudboy]

I just wanted to triple post like "old times".

[Reck]

The stats are in her favor for this one. Pujols is a significantly better hitter' date=' and even with positional scarcity, he still comes out ahead overall, and playing 1B is a lot better for his longterm health than middle infield.[/quote']

 

Perhaps, but

 

You cant dispute niether of these guys ability.

 

Pujols may have better stats but to say one is far superior then the other is laughable and not giving Alex his due. (Despite his steroid usage, which as far as we know Pujols may have as well taken) :dunno:

[redsoxbeatz]

Terrible contract for a 32 year old (some say he is older). See A-ROD.

 

Should make the Angels great for a few years though.

 

Some say he is older? Does he not have an official birth date? lmfao.

 

I thought he was 31 though...

[SCM33]

I think its a bad contract. Pujols is one of the greatest hitters of all time but playing in the AL West with all of those huge ballparks will knock down some of those numbers and by the end of this deal, it will not be pretty.

 

BTW for all those saying he is "clean".....we know nothing to prove that. Hes innocent right now, but in terms of baseball players...Id rather say he just hasnt been caught yet. He could also be 35 years old right now for all we know.

[Emmz]

Ohhh we have a live one.

 

A live one who bitchslaps you on a regular basis. You must be into that hardcore S&M s*** to keep coming back for more beatings. I just assumed that when you stopped posting you came to the conclusion that everyone hates you or that you got embarrassed by the last time I had to strap it on and put you in your place, so you decided to vanish.

[Emmz]

Perhaps, but

 

You cant dispute niether of these guys ability.

 

Pujols may have better stats but to say one is far superior then the other is laughable and not giving Alex his due. (Despite his steroid usage, which as far as we know Pujols may have as well taken) :dunno:

 

Did you read the posts/stats at all? A-Rod gets a positional value boost over Pujols and still loses out by a good deal. Offensively, A-Rod's best year is what Pujols has done for the last 10 years on average. Pujols is vastly superior offensively than A-Rod, and significantly better overall.

 

All stats support my argument. So are you ready to admit you're wrong, or are you going to just put on your troll persona to try to play off the butthurt?

 

His 'roid usage is actually irrelevant, I brought it up for shits, but since we're on it.... Pujols is superior with or without the 'roids, the stats are significantly in his favor, and we can't make assumptions. I said as far as we know he's clean, if it turns out he's been on the 'roids, he's still better. Every metric shows he's better, and I like Palo's point, his position at 1B while hindering his value could definitely help him to play more effectively for longer.

 

I agree that no contract to someone in their 30s for 10 years could be a good idea, but he's better than Rodriguez, and he could easily put up enough numbers in the first 3-5 years to counter the last stretch. This is all assuming he does have a big regression. He's one of the best offensive talents of all time as it stands.

 

@SCM I agree, he could be a steroid user, but I wasn't using the 'roid crap for the sake of argument vs. Rodriguez.

[Reck]

A live one who bitchslaps you on a regular basis. You must be into that hardcore S&M s*** to keep coming back for more beatings. I just assumed that when you stopped posting you came to the conclusion that everyone hates you or that you got embarrassed by the last time I had to strap it on and put you in your place' date=' so you decided to vanish.[/quote']

 

Wow are you really that self center? Get a grip little girl, you're not scaring anybody.

 

Also I dont need to read stats to know both players are as good each other.

 

Reason I stopped wasting my time with you is because you live in your own little fantasy world, you know, delussional.

[a700hitter]

The thing about the Hall of Fame is that there are no levels of distinction. The guys there are just the best in the history of the game. Pujols and ARod should both end up in Cooperstown, and people can debate about who was the better player. Yes, Pujols is the superior hitter, but the game includes more than that. ARod could run like the wind, steal tons of bases, play great SS covering lots of ground with a canon arm. I'd probably pick ARod to start a team, but maybe my metrics for base running and fielding etc. are a little different from WAR. No single stat is definitive in determining who is the better player. It may be the best measure out there, but it is not definitive.

[iortiz]

Both players are beasts. IMO Pujols is a better hitter and A-Rod is a better defensive and athletic player. Both are great players. I would choose one or another depending on the conditions of my team, it is not trivial.

[Emmz]

Wow are you really that self center? Get a grip little girl, you're not scaring anybody.

 

Also I dont need to read stats to know both players are as good each other.

 

Reason I stopped wasting my time with you is because you live in your own little fantasy world, you know, delussional.

 

Stats are real, you not responding with stats or addressing the stats, then saying you know they're as good as each other is just ignorant to, you know, reality. You're copping out with butthurt, and I take that as being as good admission of dipshittery.

 

Walk on home boy.

[Palodios]

BTW for all those saying he is "clean".....we know nothing to prove that. Hes innocent right now' date=' but in terms of baseball players...Id rather say he just hasnt been caught yet. He could also be 35 years old right now for all we know.[/quote']

 

You can never say clean in this day, but his stats are fairly consistent. Many hitters have seen significant declines as testing started being a bigger part of baseball, but his numbers have stayed the same.

[SoxSport]

Data the last 3 years shown on MLB.com suggests Pujols might be in decline.

All the teams know that, yet they were willing to go 10 years on the guy for money based on past performance. It has bad investment written all over it.

So why did they do it? The Cardinals did it for loyalty--kind of a Papi thing. The Marlins did it to sell tickets in Miami.They have got to be nervous about that.

 

And the LA Angels? Heck, they're using Fox money. TV is paying. And they get a tax deduction.

 

The teams in LA and NY have a HUGE advantage over everybody else because of TV revenues.

That's why they can spend spend spend. The only thing that can stop them is a hard salary cap.

Look at that Laker deal that got stopped. They set themselves up to get Howard, too, if you look at the fine print. No surprise that the media has stacked up in their support against Stern. My betting is that Stern caves--to TV.

[jacksonianmarch]

They're businessmen first, then owners. That was why I loved Steinbrenner. He was a fan/owner first. And it hurt us in some seasons and helped us in others. The guy lost money a few seasons just to put a winner out there. He was the last of his line

[a700hitter]

They're businessmen first' date=' then owners. That was why I loved Steinbrenner. He was a fan/owner first. And it hurt us in some seasons and helped us in others. The guy lost money a few seasons just to put a winner out there. He was the last of his line[/quote']I don't know if Steinbrenner was more owner than businessman. It is hard hard to say that a guy like that who was so hugely successful in more than one business was ever more fan than business man. He did realize however that the Yankee brand of excellence was more important than profit in the occasional year or two. In the end the Yankees became a business empire worth $3 Billion or more. I hope the Red Sox owners realize the value of the excellence of the brand instead of annual profit.

[Palodios]

Data the last 3 years shown on MLB.com suggests Pujols might be in decline.

 

Sure, because Pujols's 2009 in which he hit 45 Home runs, hit .327 and had an 1.101 OPS signifies a sure-fire sign of decline.

[Emmz]

LOL IKR.

 

2010 leads league in HR with 42, hits .312 with 1.011 OPS, won the GG, and came in second place in MVP. I guess when you're that good, when your OPS is only a little above 1.000, you're on the decline.

 

This was the worst year of his career and he still had 37 homers and .906 OPS. For the first time ever he hit under .300 and drove in under 100 runs.... 99 RBI, .299 average LOL.

 

He was also a monster in the postseason this year, 2 HR with 1.469 OPS vs the Brewers, 3 HR with 1.064 OPS vs. the Rangers. His career playoff OPS is 1.046.

 

Alex Rodriguez's lifetime postseason OPS is .884.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't know if Steinbrenner was more owner than businessman. It is hard hard to say that a guy like that who was so hugely successful in more than one business was ever more fan than business man. He did realize however that the Yankee brand of excellence was more important than profit in the occasional year or two. In the end the Yankees became a business empire worth $3 Billion or more. I hope the Red Sox owners realize the value of the excellence of the brand instead of annual profit.

 

Absolutely. Big Stein was great at building and keeping a brand. Even when the Yankees sucked, they were always entertaining and always in the news.