Would you do an Ellsbury for Lincecum trade?

[USP123]

Well, the question was trading Ells for Lincecum.

 

But ... If you bring a couple of solid/healthy SP (Like CJ Wilson), Get Rid of Lackey and give us a solid pitching depth, Sure, I wouldn't trade him.

 

My bad, that's what I meant, but I guess it wasn't worded the best. C.J. Wilson would be a beautiful addition.

[Spitball]

My bad' date=' that's what I meant, but I guess it wasn't worded the best. C.J. Wilson would be a beautiful addition.[/quote']

 

C.J. Wilson would be ideal, but what will he cost? The Yankees and Rangers will be heavey players in that bidding. And is he another Lackey? I would rather sign a big name but think the possibilty is remote. The Skankees have bottomless pockets and the Rangers have the hometown advantage. Wilson would be best, but Lincecum is thinking outside the box.

[iortiz]

Next season, I'd like to see a lineup of:

 

Crawford

Pedroia

Ellsbury

Agon

Youk

Ortiz

 

I'm not sure about Youk anymore... But sounds great....

[a700hitter]

I'm not sure about Youk anymore... But sounds great....

Hopefully, Youk's body is not braking down.

[iortiz]

My bad' date=' that's what I meant, but I guess it wasn't worded the best. C.J. Wilson would be a beautiful addition.[/quote']

 

It's ok man... And about Wilson, you bet.

[Ace]

I have a feeling the Skanks will offer Wilson a 5 year / 100 mill contract, can we outbid them?

[a700hitter]

I have a feeling the Skanks will offer Wilson a 5 year / 100 mill contract' date=' can we outbid them?[/quote']If the Yanks win World Championship 28, I don't think they make any big ticket acquisitions. They ride on their laurels until the Killer B's are ready to join the rotation.

[Dirt Schilling]

Hell yeah!

[SoxSport]

Next season, I'd like to see a lineup of:

 

Crawford

Pedroia

Ellsbury

Agon

Youk

Ortiz

 

 

I wonder if Tito is smart enough to bat Ellsbury 3rd.

 

He hasn't seen it yet lately.

[Derikgoulet1995]

No lincececum is good but not worth ellsbury specially after seeing what he can do this year

[Spitball]

No lincececum is good but not worth ellsbury specially after seeing what he can do this year

 

I agree that Ellsbury has had a great year, but the starting pitching has to be significantly improved. How else can the Sox improve? Free agency will be tough. The Yankees will have money coming off the books and will go hard for Wilson. It can also be expected the Rangers will go hard for him also. Edwin Jackson and the other options are probably not enough to make a significant difference.

 

The Red Sox have to improve their starting pitching.

[Interestedobserver]

Giants never make that deal.

[d-money]

The only guy i would give up Ellsbury for is Felix Hernandez.I dont wanna give up Ellsbury though.

[Spitball]

Giants never make that deal.

 

Probably not, but Ellsbury would fit some of the major needs that kept them from post season and a chance to repeat.

 

The Giants ranked last in the NL in runs scored. They ranked 13th out of 16 teams in stolen bases , yet they had the third most caught stealings. They were last or next to last in OBP, Slugging, and OPS. They had three players with double figures in homers and two of those just barely made it with 12 and 14.

 

Their centerfielder hit .221 with an OBP of .312 and an OPS of .643.

 

Lincecum and Ellsbury are both very popular with their fans so I don't really see either side having the balls to pull this trade off. Personally, I would hate to see Ells go, but I can't live with the starting pitching of this past season. They must upgrade the starting staff significantly. The red Sox need a Lincecum...and the Giants need an Ellsbury.

[Interestedobserver]

Pitching is what built their championship. They're not given up Lincecum. They have money, so they may resign Beltran, and maybe another hitter. They'll get Posey back, but really, their championship was half fluke.

[Spitball]

Pitching is what built their championship. They're not given up Lincecum. They have money' date=' so they may resign Beltran, and maybe another hitter. They'll get Posey back, but really, their championship was half fluke.[/quote']

 

The fluke half was because of their offense. Now, their offense is horrible. It is last or next to last in the NL in runs scored, OBP, SLG, and OPS. If they sign Reyes, trade for Ellsbury, and trade Lincecum, they would still have excellent pitching, a much better offense, and improved defense up the middle (another of their problems). they would be a more balanced, better team.

 

The Sox would need to replace Ellsbury but have Reddick and Kalish maturing. They could also be in on Beltran and/or Coco Crisp. A rotation of Lincecum, Beckett, Lester, Buccholz, and Ablwom (anybody but Lackey, Wakefield, or Miller) would be a major improvement.

 

Besides the upgrades to each team's needs created by a trade of these two stars, I see another reason to make the trade. Lincecum is a small guy who throws extremely hard with a violent delivery. He will create a dilemma in two years when he is can become a free agent. Some team will have to pay the going rate for ace pitchers and that means six or seven years. I'm not sure that is a wise investment considering his mechanics and size. The Sox should have some starting prospects ready by the time Lincecum is ready to test the market.

 

Ellsbury will be able to test the market the same year (after 2013) as Lincecum. Ellsbury has Scott Boros as his agent so we know he will test the market. He had to have read the critical remarks about his fortitude last season. What are the chances of resigning him?

 

So, if both players represent possible (probable) two year stays, Lincecum would fill a much greater need.

[NativeBostonian]

Not a chance in hell. Why would I trade a sure thing, in Jacoby Ellsbury, for a pitcher, who hasn't pitched in one of the hardest division to pitch in, the the major leagues.

[Divinity]

You don't think Lincecum is a sure thing? The guy is the only pitcher to win back to back Cy Young's during his first two years in MLB, plus he's had plenty of success against AL East teams

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Not a chance in hell. Why would I trade a sure thing' date=' in Jacoby Ellsbury, for a pitcher, who hasn't pitched in one of the hardest division to pitch in, the the major leagues.[/quote']

 

Jacoby Ellsbury isn't a sure thing. Before this year he was average, and oft injured. Who even knows if he can replicate this season again. Lincecum has proven himself to be one of the top pitchers in the game. A few Cy Youngs, a world series winner, and has had success no matter who he pitches against.

 

 

I'd take Lincecum. As was evidenced this year, you can have all the hitting in the world, but if you're pitching can't hold it down then you are screwed. If Lincecum made 30 starts, 20 of those are highly probable wins for the team. Could Ellsbury contribute that many in a season? I don't know why anyone wouldn't take this deal. A healthy rotation of Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz giving around 30 starts a season means 120 starts by pitchers who have the ability to give up around 3 runs a game and average like 6 IPS. If each one wins like 15 games then that's 60 wins for the team, not even considering ND that were won by the team.

[Spitball]

Not a chance in hell. Why would I trade a sure thing' date=' in Jacoby Ellsbury, for a pitcher, who hasn't pitched in one of the hardest division to pitch in, the the major leagues.[/quote']

 

Well, first of all, unless you are Theo Epstein, you wouldn't be able to trade anyone. Second, Lincecum has a longer track record of success than Ellsbury. How do you know Ells didn't just have a career year? He has never hit double figures in homeruns until this year at any level. And, why would Epstein trade an outfielder who just had a career year for a two time Cy Young winner? Because the Red Sox just had a historic fall because their starting pitching was awful.

 

I would love to see them get C.J.Wilson or other ace type but don't see that happening. They need to upgrade their starting pitching by any means possible.

[Boggs Chicken Dinner]

First off, no way in hell you trade Ellsbury at this point. I know his value is high, but he should be untouchable right now and the front office needs to do whatever it takes to keep him, Boras be damned.

 

I also don't see Lincecum leaving the Giants, but since they need offense and we need pitching, I think a more reasonable trade would be Kevin Youkilis and a couple of prospects for Matt Cain.

[Spitball]

First off, no way in hell you trade Ellsbury at this point. I know his value is high, but he should be untouchable right now and the front office needs to do whatever it takes to keep him, Boras be damned.

 

I also don't see Lincecum leaving the Giants, but since they need offense and we need pitching, I think a more reasonable trade would be Kevin Youkilis and a couple of prospects for Matt Cain.

 

Actually, Matt Cain was my choice over Lincecum until I looked up contract status. Cain has one year left and Lincecum has two.

 

Cain isn't a household name but is probably one of the few true ace-type pitchers in baseball. When he hits the market, he will be a rich man.

 

As much as I like Matt Cain, I can't figure out anyone the Sox match up with in trade. Youkilis does not have real optimum trade value at this time like after he was hitting .300 and OPSing .970. At this point, Matt Cain commands much more than a .259 hitter who OPSed .833. The Giants are trying to get back into the World Series soon and not likely to want the Sox' prospects.

[Interestedobserver]

How is Ellsbury who was buried in the doghouse last year a sure thing and Lincecum who has rings and shiny pitching trophies not?

[example1]

How is Ellsbury who was buried in the doghouse last year a sure thing and Lincecum who has rings and shiny pitching trophies not?

 

Right. The shiny new toy...

 

Ellsbury is a very good player, possibly one of the best in the league. But he needs to do it for a few years first. Lincecum is consistently one of the best pitchers in the league.

 

Of course, I worry about LIncecum's longevity and his stats have dipped a bit the past two years.

 

I actually think that a trade for Cain would be wise. I doubt San Francisco is wanting to get rid of him, but moving an established guy and a pitching prospect might get it done. I realize he's only signed for another year, but perhaps the Sox could resign him longterm. He's still young, so that would be worthwhile.

[Boggs Chicken Dinner]

I actually think that a trade for Cain would be wise. I doubt San Francisco is wanting to get rid of him, but moving an established guy and a pitching prospect might get it done. I realize he's only signed for another year, but perhaps the Sox could resign him longterm. He's still young, so that would be worthwhile.

 

San Francisco needs a bat even more so than we need pitching, and they have tons of starting pitchers to help us out. Tim Lincecum is not only a phenomenal pitcher and former Cy young winner, he, along with Brian Wilson, also has a marketable persona and as long as he keeps performing, it would be in San Francisco's best interest to hold onto Lincecum the same way we should hold onto Ellsbury.

 

But Matt Cain? Yeah, no team would want to part with him, but with The Giants so loaded in starting pitching and in such a desperate need of a bat, surely Boston can find a way to get Cain. Glad somebody else agrees with me on this one, I've been thinking it for weeks now and it makes good sense. I would be thrilled to see Matt Cain in a Red Sox uniform.

[Dojji]

Not sure a team would pay Ellsbury's real value right now because it's only the one good year in a hitter's park.

 

This has all the hallmarks of a Mauer MVP season. Teams aren't likely to be fooled.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Not sure a team would pay Ellsbury's real value right now because it's only the one good year in a hitter's park.

 

This has all the hallmarks of a Mauer MVP season. Teams aren't likely to be fooled.

 

One good year in a hitter's park? With the way Ells pulls everything can you imagine him in San Fran's park? If he can come close to this year there would be countless spash hits

[Spitball]

Right. The shiny new toy...

 

Ellsbury is a very good player, possibly one of the best in the league. But he needs to do it for a few years first. Lincecum is consistently one of the best pitchers in the league.

 

Of course, I worry about LIncecum's longevity and his stats have dipped a bit the past two years.

 

I actually think that a trade for Cain would be wise. I doubt San Francisco is wanting to get rid of him, but moving an established guy and a pitching prospect might get it done. I realize he's only signed for another year, but perhaps the Sox could resign him longterm. He's still young, so that would be worthwhile.

 

I agree on Cain, but what exactly can the Sox send to a contending team in desperate need of impact on offense. The Giants won't trade Cain or Lincecum unless they can drastically improve their team. They won't be interested in prospects that won't make an immediate impact to their cause.

[example1]

I agree on Cain' date=' but what exactly can the Sox send to a contending team in desperate need of impact on offense. The Giants won't trade Cain or Lincecum unless they can drastically improve their team. They won't be interested in prospects that won't make an immediate impact to their cause.[/quote']

 

Youkilis would be my starting point, but they have Brandon Belt and KungFu Panda so I'm not sure how interested they would be in that deal.

 

It seems to me that Youkilis would be the starting point for a lot of potential deals.

[Dojji]

One good year in a hitter's park? With the way Ells pulls everything can you imagine him in San Fran's park? If he can come close to this year there would be countless spash hits

 

Again, put another good year behind him, and you'll get no argument for me, but teams will be skeptical this offseason, especially since skepticism gives them an angle to bargain down the price.