Would you do an Ellsbury for Lincecum trade?

[Spitball]

I really love what Jacoby Ellsbury has done this year. For me, he has been the team MVP, if not the whole league.

 

But, is this a career year, and should the Sox take advantage of his career year? He has never hit for this kind of power. He never has had double figures in homeruns. He has speed, but speedy outfielders see their speed decline. He has been healthy this year, but he played only 18 games in 2010.

 

Also, he hits free agency after 2013, and he has Scott Boras as his agent.

 

I started thinking about trading from strength to improve the starting pitching, and concluded the Sox should target the Giants' Matt Cain. Then, I realized he is signed through only 2012, but Lincecum doesn't hit free agency until after 2013...like Ellsbury.

 

Hmmm...I think an Ellsbury for Lincecum trade makes sense. Both teams would be trading from strength. Ellsbury has been one of the greatest offensive players in baseball this year while the Giants have been a terrible offensive team. Lincecum is a very good starting pitcher and would be a way to solve the Sox' biggest problem.

 

Both players are going to be difficult to sign, but perhaps Lincecum's agent will, Rick Thurman, will be easier to deal with.

[RaysFan22]

of course you would want that trade, Lincecum is a amazing pitcher and thats what you need

[Palodios]

That would definitely be an interesting idea. Some of the ideas we were coming up before had to do with teams that would probably be better off getting a pile prospects than having one or two all-star caliber pitchers. The idea was a three trade, with possibly the dodgers or mariners for Kershaw/Felix.

 

Linecum seems to be just as intriguing an idea. I'd probably do it, but Lincecum's form feels like a red flag at times.

[iortiz]

If somebody can guarantee that Crawford will comeback, I'd do the trade in a heartbeat. Otherwise, nop.

 

Sorry, but I don't see Ells performing like this, year after year after year.

[a700hitter]

I would never trade an everyday star/MVP candidate for any pitcher. Even if Ellsbury isn't as good next season, he'll probably still be a star.

[mvp 78]

Where do I sign?

 

This season is exhibit A why pitching wins championships.

[TheMeanWalrus]

I really love what Jacoby Ellsbury has done this year. For me, he has been the team MVP, if not the whole league.

 

But, is this a career year, and should the Sox take advantage of his career year? He has never hit for this kind of power. He never has had double figures in homeruns. He has speed, but speedy outfielders see their speed decline. He has been healthy this year, but he played only 18 games in 2010.

 

Also, he hits free agency after 2013, and he has Scott Boras as his agent.

 

I started thinking about trading from strength to improve the starting pitching, and concluded the Sox should target the Giants' Matt Cain. Then, I realized he is signed through only 2012, but Lincecum doesn't hit free agency until after 2013...like Ellsbury.

 

Hmmm...I think an Ellsbury for Lincecum trade makes sense. Both teams would be trading from strength. Ellsbury has been one of the greatest offensive players in baseball this year while the Giants have been a terrible offensive team. Lincecum is a very good starting pitcher and would be a way to solve the Sox' biggest problem.

 

Both players are going to be difficult to sign, but perhaps Lincecum's agent will, Rick Thurman, will be easier to deal with.

 

 

I admire you're capacity to dream

But there would be an investigation by Congress, the Justice Dept, the FBI and the Dept of Homeland Security if the Giants GM ever did that. Not to mention he'd be 50/50 to be lynched publically.

[boston22407]

Love it and he smokes pot too

[iortiz]

I would never trade an everyday star/MVP candidate for any pitcher. Even if Ellsbury isn't as good next season' date=' he'll probably still be a star.[/quote']

 

Even a CY pitcher?

 

Let's say Felix.

[a700hitter]

Even a CY pitcher?

 

Let's say Felix.

Nope

[example1]

Even a CY pitcher?

 

Let's say Felix.

 

We've had this disucssion already. He wouldn't trade him for any pitcher, period. They waivered when I mentioed Pedro in his prime, but then reasoned (appropriately) that Pedro in his prime was a once every 3-4 generation talent.

 

I would trade Ellsbury for Felix, mostly because I think they can more easily replace the production Ellsbury gives them than finding a pitcher who will produce what Felix does as consistently as he does it.

 

But hey, that's just me.

 

Interestingly, as certainly as a700 wouldn't trade Ellsbury for a guy as good as Felix, I bet Seattle wouldn't do the deal straight up either. It would probably take Ells + + for Felix.

[RaysFan22]

As we see that pitching is what caries a team to wins, just take a look at the rays cant hit worth a dam but the pitching keeps them in there. Plus with all these prospects the rays have we can afford to give up a Shields, then have Matt Moore take over the reigns

[example1]

As we see that pitching is what caries a team to wins' date=' just take a look at the rays cant hit worth a dam but the pitching keeps them in there. Plus with all these prospects the rays have we can afford to give up a Shields, then have Matt Moore take over the reigns[/quote']

 

1. What does Sheilds/Moore have to do with this?

2. Just wait. The bottom will fall out soon enough and the Rays will go back to being average for a few seasons. We will be sure to let you know when that happens, but I suspect you won't be on this site at that point.

[iortiz]

We've had this disucssion already. He wouldn't trade him for any pitcher, period. They waivered when I mentioed Pedro in his prime, but then reasoned (appropriately) that Pedro in his prime was a once every 3-4 generation talent.

 

I would trade Ellsbury for Felix, mostly because I think they can more easily replace the production Ellsbury gives them than finding a pitcher who will produce what Felix does as consistently as he does it.

 

But hey, that's just me.

 

Interestingly, as certainly as a700 wouldn't trade Ellsbury for a guy as good as Felix, I bet Seattle wouldn't do the deal straight up either. It would probably take Ells + + for Felix.

 

If Ells gets the MVP, You wouldn't need more "++++" in the trade. If they want Ells plus our top prospects, I would go to another direction. iMO Seattle is not looking for a MVP. Ells is not the piece they would trade for Felix. They would like several top prospects. And IMO we don't have the pieces.

 

On the other hand, SF is more likely to deal with. But I'm not that convinced about Lincecum.

 

Ells has played like a MVP caliber, BUT this is his first year playing that way. Sure, seems like the kid has the talent and has a promising future, but IMO he is replaceable, if you put on the table an elite caliber pitcher like Felix. But as I said, if Crawford doesn't comeback (unlikely) I won't trade him. Otherwise in a heartbeat. (The problem is that I'm not that confident about CC, but that's another issue )

[iortiz]

Nope

 

What about Carl Crawford for Lincecum? That deal, I would close it in a heartbeat.

[Palodios]

If Ells gets the MVP' date=' You wouldn't need more "++++" in the trade. If they want Ells plus our top prospects, I would go to another direction. iMO Seattle is not looking for a MVP. Ells is not the piece they would trade for Felix. They would like several top prospects. And IMO we don't have the pieces. [/quote']

 

Three-team trade.

[iortiz]

Three-team trade.

 

That way could definitely work. Good point.

[Spitball]

I see San Fran as a good target because Brian Sabean is a gambler. He has made some odd moves in his years as gm. Some have been good and some have not. He might go for an elite offensive player like Ellsbury if he thinks he will make a difference for their offense which has cost them a chance to repeat. Tejada, Rowland, Beltran moves have failed. They need a force. They have pitching. They need a move and there is a chance they may get Pujols or Fielder, but if not...Ellsbury would look like an attractive rx.

 

Palodios, Lincecum's size and mechanics have some people questioning his durability, but the same can be said for Ellsbury after last season. Besides, neither is a sure thing after 2013. Only, Lincecum means not dealing with Scott Boros.

[3rdManOut]

Yep I would do it without thinking about it.

[SoxSport]

One factor is how comfortable the Giants feel with a replacement for Lincecum. If they have a youngster in the minors ready to replace him, they might consider it.

 

I don't know how the salaries match. That's another factor. Lincecum is farther along the salary scale.

 

Ells is having a power breakout year. That doesn't mean he is going to be a 30HR 100 RBI power guy the rest of his career. Strange things have been known to happen in contract years.

[a700hitter]

What about Carl Crawford for Lincecum? That deal' date=' I would close it in a heartbeat. [/quote']After this season, yes, I would do it, but the Giants wouldn't do it.

 

I would never do the Ellsbury trade after this breakout year. That combination of speed and power is extremely rare. He's in his prime, and only at the end of the season did he start taking the ball the other way with power. No way do I trade him for any pitcher.

[Spitball]

One factor is how comfortable the Giants feel with a replacement for Lincecum. If they have a youngster in the minors ready to replace him' date=' they might consider it.[/quote']

 

I don't think they have a Lincecum type replacement available, but who does? The Giants do need an offensive spark, and they do not have an Ellsbury spark...but who else does?

 

I don't know how the salaries match. That's another factor. Lincecum is farther along the salary scale.

 

Lincecum makes more but we are talking about a Cy Young pitcher (X2).

 

Ells is having a power breakout year. That doesn't mean he is going to be a 30HR 100 RBI power guy the rest of his career. Strange things have been known to happen in contract years.

 

It isn't a free agent year. It may be a career year though and why the Sox might want to consider trading Ellsbury while his value is at his peak.

[Palodios]

It isn't a free agent year. It may be a career year though and why the Sox might want to consider trading Ellsbury while his value is at his peak.

 

Sure, but it is an arbitration year. Ellsbury is looking at a 8-10 million dollar raise.

[Ace]

Ellsbury has a 9.7 WAR this year which is insane, I don't think he can sustain that level of production year after year.

[a700hitter]

I see... Which spot would you give to CC?

Not sure what you are asking?

[iortiz]

Not sure what you are asking?

 

I meant, which hole in the lineup? Assuming he gets constantly on base around .340 next year.

[USP123]

Don't look at my avatar. Keep Ellsbury and pay him what he asks for, he's settled fine in Boston and like many have said, has entered his prime. I strongly believe he'll be a consistent wonder rather than a one-hit-wonder. We'll have Bucholz, Beckett, and Lester, as well as a hopefully rejuvenated Bedard next season, no need for Lincecum.

[Spitball]

Sure' date=' but it is an arbitration year. Ellsbury is looking at a 8-10 million dollar raise.[/quote']

 

Right, but I am talking about maximum trade value. After last year, Ellsbury had very little value. This year, he is golden. It is time to cash in to bring the greatest need to Boston. Kalish and Reddick are available to fill outfield holes, but there are no realistic answers on the horizon to answer the pitching woes.

[iortiz]

Don't look at my avatar. Keep Ellsbury and pay him what he asks for' date=' he's settled fine in Boston and like many have said, has entered his prime. I strongly believe he'll be a consistent wonder rather than a one-hit-wonder. We'll have Bucholz, Beckett, and Lester, as well as a hopefully rejuvenated Bedard next season, no need for Lincecum.[/quote']

 

Well, the question was trading Ells for Lincecum.

 

But ... If you bring a couple of solid/healthy SP (Like CJ Wilson), Get Rid of Lackey and give us a solid pitching depth, Sure, I wouldn't trade him.

[a700hitter]

I meant' date=' which hole in the lineup? Assuming he gets constantly on base around .340 next year.[/quote']Next season, I'd like to see a lineup of:

 

Crawford

Pedroia

Ellsbury

Agon

Youk

Ortiz