2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[RedSoxNC84]

 

Not to mention when Josh Hamilton and/or Matt Cain are wearing Red Sox Jerseys next year I will have to put "I told you so" 500 times in my signature.

 

I just don't see either one of those happening.

[win red sox]

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HECTOR GOMEZ @hgomez27

Caso Hanley Ram?rez: Seg?n la fuente, ya le hicieron todos los ex?menes m?dicos y, porcentualmente hablando, hay un 90 % de posibilidades.

 

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HECTOR GOMEZ @hgomez27

De ?ltimo minuto: hay muchas posibilidades de que Hanley Ram?rez sea cambiado esta tarde a los Medias Rojas. El est? en Boston ahora mismo.

 

For those who can't read spanish, this guy is a reporter from the Dominican Republic and he is saying that there is a good chance Hanley Ramirez is traded to Boston. According to him, Hanley was in Boston today getting checked out by the teams medical staff.

 

 

Take this with a grain of salt, I found this on the prosportsdaily.com forum, supposedly there's several dominican reporters on this. I remember seeing something about the sox still looking for a shortstop, it kind of makes sense.

[RedSoxNC84]

Could be interesting.. I don't really consider Hanley to be that much of an everyday SS though. Doesn't he have a bit of an injury history? Not to mention horrible clubhouse attitude, etc. etc.

 

I was under the impression that he hasn't had full seasons the last couple of years.

[win red sox]

Could be interesting.. I don't really consider Hanley to be that much of an everyday SS though. Doesn't he have a bit of an injury history? Not to mention horrible clubhouse attitude, etc. etc.

 

I was under the impression that he hasn't had full seasons the last couple of years.

 

I would imagine this would put Aviles at 3b with Punto being the utility infielder, I wonder what kind package we would give up? Youkilis/Iglesias/and possibly any other latin minor leage prospect.

[iortiz]

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HECTOR GOMEZ @hgomez27

Caso Hanley Ram?rez: Seg?n la fuente, ya le hicieron todos los ex?menes m?dicos y, porcentualmente hablando, hay un 90 % de posibilidades.

 

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HECTOR GOMEZ @hgomez27

De ?ltimo minuto: hay muchas posibilidades de que Hanley Ram?rez sea cambiado esta tarde a los Medias Rojas. El est? en Boston ahora mismo.

 

For those who can't read spanish, this guy is a reporter from the Dominican Republic and he is saying that there is a good chance Hanley Ramirez is traded to Boston. According to him, Hanley was in Boston today getting checked out by the teams medical staff.

 

 

Take this with a grain of salt, I fount this on the prosportsdaily.com forum, supposedly theres several dominican reporters on this.

 

Yup, apparently he is in Boston and they are saying that they see great possibilities that he lands in Boston.

 

Earlier I posted that they wanted a everyday SS, so....

 

I guess all this (Scu/Ramirez) has been being cooked for a while, we'll see.

[jung]

I can't see the Sox bringing Hanley here.

[jacksonianmarch]

iortiz, the Sox medical staff cannot examine the player until a trade is complete. They can look at his file at any time as long as the Marlins are okay with it. But they cannot examine the player until a trade is agreed to. They also dont have nearly the pieces needed to acquire him

[iortiz]

iortiz' date=' the Sox medical staff cannot examine the player until a trade is complete. They can look at his file at any time as long as the Marlins are okay with it. But they cannot examine the player until a trade is agreed to. They also dont have nearly the pieces needed to acquire him[/quote']

 

Woah there... Do You mean Oswalt? Marlins? What pieces for what player?

[jacksonianmarch]

Hanley

[iortiz]

Hanley

 

Ohhhh... I see. Yes, the tweet says that they are making him medical exams.

 

I got you. Maybe this is ********

[win red sox]

Hanley

 

Of course they could put a package together for him, it just depends at what cost. I'm sure they could headline a trade with Ellsbury(which would be a disaster) or Youkilis with prospects(Ranaudo/Iglesias/ect...). I'm not putting any stock in this rumor, but if Miami wanted to move him, Boston could put an attractive package together.

[User Name]

No way this is true.

[Elktonnick]

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HECTOR GOMEZ @hgomez27

Caso Hanley Ram?rez: Seg?n la fuente, ya le hicieron todos los ex?menes m?dicos y, porcentualmente hablando, hay un 90 % de posibilidades.

 

Quote:

HECTOR GOMEZ @hgomez27

De ?ltimo minuto: hay muchas posibilidades de que Hanley Ram?rez sea cambiado esta tarde a los Medias Rojas. El est? en Boston ahora mismo.

 

For those who can't read spanish, this guy is a reporter from the Dominican Republic and he is saying that there is a good chance Hanley Ramirez is traded to Boston. According to him, Hanley was in Boston today getting checked out by the teams medical staff.

 

 

Take this with a grain of salt, I found this on the prosportsdaily.com forum, supposedly there's several dominican reporters on this. I remember seeing something about the sox still looking for a shortstop, it kind of makes sense.

 

I wouldn't jump to conclusions. Since Ramirez was originally Red Sox property and since Mass General is Mass General it is entirely possible even probable that any medical exam was just that a medical checkup for the Marlins. Then again who knows.

[iortiz]

Jacko, can they examine a FA before he is signed?

[win red sox]

No way this is true.

 

agreed, but there have been reports that the sox are still looking for a shortstop and there are no free agents unless you count Theriot. They would have to acquire a shortstop via trade. Let's say this trade does go down with Youkilis as the main piece were sending to Miami, Then the Scutaro salary dump makes sense and the signing of Ross would also make sense as you would have Aviles starting at 3b until Middlebrooks is available. I think Hanley's salary is arount 15 million his aav would be around 11.5 million, which would leave room to sign Oswalt. Of course this would be a pipedream.

[RedSoxNC84]

I could see Theriot coming to Boston before Hanley.

[iortiz]

agreed' date=' [b']but there have been reports that the sox are still looking for a shortstop and there are no free agents unless you count Theriot[/b]. They would have to acquire a shortstop via trade. Let's say this trade does go down with Youkilis as the main piece were sending to Miami, Then the Scutaro salary dump makes sense and the signing of Ross would also make sense as you would have Aviles starting at 3b until Middlebrooks is available. I think Hanley's salary is arount 15 million his aav would be around 11.5 million, which would leave room to sign Oswalt. Of course this would be a pipedream.

 

True. I have read some reporters saying that. They say that we are looking an everyday SS. If true, I want to believe that they have everything figured out and will bring the SP as well.

[Palodios]

So I really want to point something out to TalkSox. Has anyone else noticed that the Red Sox have gotten significantly younger this year? If Ortiz had rejected arbitration like they thought he would, we might be seeing a Red Sox team with all the major players 33 and under. That's really saying something, that despite how established some of these players are, all of them are on the right side of 30.

 

They're dropped Wakefield-- 45. Varitek-- 40. Scutaro 36. Papelbon -- 31.

 

They've picked up Punto--34. Shoppach 32. Bailey 27. Melancon 26.

 

 

Their oldest players? Ortiz 36. Punto 34. Youkils 33. Beckett 32. That's the worst it gets. The team's oldest player is someone who doesn't need to field the ball, the next guy is a bench player, and the next after that is 33 years old.

[jacksonianmarch]

So I really want to point something out to TalkSox. Has anyone else noticed that the Red Sox have gotten significantly younger this year? If Ortiz had rejected arbitration like they thought he would, we might be seeing a Red Sox team with all the major players 33 and under. That's really saying something, that despite how established some of these players are, all of them are on the right side of 30.

 

They're dropped Wakefield-- 45. Varitek-- 40. Scutaro 36. Papelbon -- 31.

 

They've picked up Punto--34. Shoppach 32. Bailey 27. Melancon 26.

 

 

Their oldest players? Ortiz 36. Punto 34. Youkils 33. Beckett 32. That's the worst it gets. The team's oldest player is someone who doesn't need to field the ball, the next guy is a bench player, and the next after that is 33 years old. Even if you don't like the moves Ben has made, you have to look at the age of this team and be somewhat impressed.

 

Which is surprising that a team with such youth could have such injury issues the past 2 seasons.

[win red sox]

So I really want to point something out to TalkSox. Has anyone else noticed that the Red Sox have gotten significantly younger this year? If Ortiz had rejected arbitration like they thought he would, we might be seeing a Red Sox team with all the major players 33 and under. That's really saying something, that despite how established some of these players are, all of them are on the right side of 30.

 

They're dropped Wakefield-- 45. Varitek-- 40. Scutaro 36. Papelbon -- 31.

 

They've picked up Punto--34. Shoppach 32. Bailey 27. Melancon 26.

 

 

Their oldest players? Ortiz 36. Punto 34. Youkils 33. Beckett 32. That's the worst it gets. The team's oldest player is someone who doesn't need to field the ball, the next guy is a bench player, and the next after that is 33 years old.

 

Excellent observation. While Mr Cherrington has been painfully methodical, I do think he has a plan and is not going to react to what other teams do.

[Spitball]

iortiz' date=' the Sox medical staff cannot examine the player until a trade is complete. They can look at his file at any time as long as the Marlins are okay with it. But they cannot examine the player until a trade is agreed to. [/quote']

 

You may be right, but I can't see a single legal precedence that would make this a law or rule. If a team wants to trade an injury prone player with a large contract, why would they decline a request for a medical exam unless there was something to hide???

 

They also dont have nearly the pieces needed to acquire him

 

Salary dumps happen all the time without the pieces in place.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hanley isnt a salary dump. He is coming off an injury plagued season, but is being paid pretty reasonably.

[jung]

Well for the Sox to be looking for an everyday SS they would have to come up with someone that would make Scuts salary dump make sense. How cheaply can you find an everyday SS? Seems to me that the only thing that makes offing Scuts makes sense is that you bring somebody to play the position that is salary controlled. I don't who they could bring that would be that much better than staying within their organization and existing roster.

[Spitball]

Hanley isnt a salary dump. He is coming off an injury plagued season' date=' but is being paid pretty reasonably.[/quote']

 

That doesn't really answer my question. He makes a lot of money, and the Marlins might desire to relieve themselves of the money on an unhappy (despite public appearances) player.

 

Do you have a link to the rule? I believe you might be right, but I have not heard of such a rule.

[User Name]

Which is surprising that a team with such youth could have such injury issues the past 2 seasons.

 

That's why the medical and conditioning staff is no longer here.

[iortiz]

If I pay a guy 200/9 (FA) I want to examine him first, you bet. Or does it only apply for trades?

[Palodios]

That doesn't really answer my question. He makes a lot of money, and the Marlins might desire to relieve themselves of the money on an unhappy (despite public appearances) player.

 

Do you have a link to the rule? I believe you might be right, but I have not heard of such a rule.

 

He had a crummy season, he's a whiney little bitch and he's expensive... but when it comes down to it, he's probably one of the top 5 most talented hitters in the MLB, and he plays at the weakest offensive position. There are probably 28 other teams who'd devastate their farm system to have him.

[win red sox]

Hanley isnt a salary dump. He is coming off an injury plagued season' date=' but is being paid pretty reasonably.[/quote']

 

You do have to worry about his attitude, Miami has alot riding on this year's team with all the free agent signing's and the new ballpark. If the team starts off slow and Hanley displays his unhappiness, the Marlins would lose some of there leverage. Moving from ss to 3b is not as easy as it appears(arod) and they would also cut about 2.5 million on salary.

 

I'm not going to say this is going to happen, but it does make some sense from both teams point of view.

 

ps the Marlins have a top prospect at 3b that should be ready in 2013, which would be the last year of Youkilis contract.

[jung]

I did not find specific language regarding when and under what conditions a player could be examined either other than those rules that govern a player under contract that has sustained an injury.

 

I did not look in the UPC though. The language we are looking for might be in there.

[win red sox]

I just don't see either one of those happening.

 

Hamilton is possible if we moved Ellsbury, Cain is adamant about resigning with Giants, Maybe Hammels?