9/20 vs Orioles

[SoxFanForsyth]

A lot of posters blame Wakefield' date=' Lackey, Crawford Scutaro etc etc.. I NEVER blame the players either. Who the f*** wants to lose? It sucks but s*** happens.[/quote']

 

I agree to a point. Theo is charged with putting the best team out there that he can, and supplying quality depth options based on availability. Francona is charged with managing the game, making sure all the players are up to par with the fundamentals, and making *gulp* pitching changes.

 

The players are charged with going out there and playing to their ability. Bonehead mistakes, popping up bunts, flubbing fly balls, those are all instances where I place blame. It's not Wakefield's fault that he's too old and his stuff is extremely hittable. Or Miller, or Weiland. I don't expect them to quit because they're struggling (well, Wake maybe...). It's on Theo to put out players that give us a chance.

 

It's a combo of all of the above. But, regardless, all of the above are paid heaps and heaps of money to play this game, and they get paid a lot because they have a lot of fans who want to watch them play the game.

 

You pay me that much money, I'll go try my ass off, but I expect to get ripped if I mess up.

[NativeBostonian]

No laser show there.

[a700hitter]

But Wake is not the reason for this poor season. NO ONE is. Our team looked GREAT on paper but they haven't produced. You are not a "victim" or "someone to blame" person. Come on man

It's my opinion that sending an old over the hill guy to the mound to lose game after game down the stretch is one of the reasons. I don't blame him for sucking. He can't help that he has nothing left, but he is certainly one of the reasons IMO. There are reasons. It's not just that s*** happens. That's just a complete cop out IMO.

[a700hitter]

You are incorrect. There is only so much they can do.

IMO, they could have done more.

[TedWilliams101]

Agod coming up small in a big spot, regardless of the error.

[NativeBostonian]

I''ll take that. Although, that was some f***ed up way to score.

[a700hitter]

Wow, that was a break!!!! That's how s***** teams play, and unfortunately we have been playing that way too much this month.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Since theres a LHP in, can we please PH Conor Jackson for Reddick?

[VA Sox Fan]

It's my opinion that sending an old over the hill guy to the mound to lose game after game down the stretch is one of the reasons. I don't blame him for sucking. He can't help that he has nothing left' date=' but he is certainly one of the reasons IMO. There are reasons. It's not just that s*** happens. That's just a complete cop out IMO.[/quote']

 

Yes. s*** does happen. But go ahead and point fingers at who you want to and blame who you want to. I will not. Call it a cop out but that's how life works. You know that.

[SoxFanForsyth]

God this umpire is so inconsistent it hurts.

[a700hitter]

Since theres a LHP in' date=' can we please PH Conor Jackson for Reddick?[/quote']The love affair is over? The FO shouldn't commit to the kid?

[VA Sox Fan]

IMO' date=' they could have done more.[/quote']

 

I disagree again. Life happens.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Te love affair is over? The FO shouldn't commit to the kid?

 

Woah now. I was always reluctant about Reddick. I consistently compared his streak to that of Lowrie to start the season.

[NativeBostonian]

I'm going to use that at work next time I f*** up. Life happens, boss.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Yes. s*** does happen. But go ahead and point fingers at who you want to and blame who you want to. I will not. Call it a cop out but that's how life works. You know that.

 

That's how life works? Gee, I sure hope I can use the attitude you have about all this if I ever get fired from a job. "It's not my fault I suck at this job. I'm a part of a team, and it sucks we are underperforming, but these things just happen, no one is to blame!" Yeah that'll go over real well.

 

Get realistic, stop being so complacent. SOMEBODY on this team needs to take some responsibility.

[iortiz]

I disagree. Does an NL West team that wins 80 games, but cruises through a week division, deserve making the playoffs over a 95 win team that loses the wild-card spot in a tough division? How about an 8-8 NFL team that wins an all-time weak conference making the playoffs while an 11-5 team doesn't? In the end, the answer is

Everyone controls their own destiny starting day 1, but I'd have a real hard time actually saying a stumbling team deserves to be in just because of luck/what ever (in this case a good middle-of the season).

 

That said, when most of us (at least me) say that this team doesn't deserve to make the playoffs, I'm really just saying that we won't or likely won't control our own destiny. If we continue to lose, but back into the playoffs because the Rays keep loosing, then no, I don't believe we really earned it or deserve it.

 

Well, strictly according to the rules accepted by every team since day 1, if the Red Sox make the POs they are legit player. Nevertheless, do we have chances once there if we still playing like this? certainly, no (even though once there you never know). Do the Rays could make a better paper once there, the signs say yes.

 

But the fact is that they would win less games than the Red Sox through 162 games, so... They wouldn't deserve it.

 

But I got your point, The rules and the way the divisions are conformed maybe are arguably unfair even all the teams someway already accepted since day 1. TB at this point seems that could make a better paper once there, and I would be agree as well. It ain't over yet, we'll see how we finish playing and performing.

[a700hitter]

Yes. s*** does happen. But go ahead and point fingers at who you want to and blame who you want to. I will not. Call it a cop out but that's how life works. You know that.

IMO, if the FO had done enough to get us 1 or 2 wins down the stretch that would be enough. If we lose out, it will only be by a game or 2. Wakefield never should have been trotted out for so many games when he was pitching like garbage, and that kid Weiland should not have been thrown to the wolves. They didn't need to replace the entire roster. One guy might have made the difference. That guy might have been Millwood.

 

Vlad has been a terrible base runner for years-- even when he could still run.

[a700hitter]

I disagree again. Life happens.

^ Red Sox FO material

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Later Showalter.

[a700hitter]

That's how life works? Gee, I sure hope I can use the attitude you have about all this if I ever get fired from a job. "It's not my fault I suck at this job. I'm a part of a team, and it sucks we are underperforming, but these things just happen, no one is to blame!" Yeah that'll go over real well.

 

Get realistic, stop being so complacent. SOMEBODY on this team needs to take some responsibility.

On this, we agree.

[iortiz]

That's how life works? Gee, I sure hope I can use the attitude you have about all this if I ever get fired from a job. "It's not my fault I suck at this job. I'm a part of a team, and it sucks we are underperforming, but these things just happen, no one is to blame!" Yeah that'll go over real well.

 

Get realistic, stop being so complacent. SOMEBODY on this team needs to take some responsibility.

 

Yup, since this is a professional team and they are paid to deliver results, just as any job.

[Cocos Disciples]

Now the MASN announcers (or at least one of them) is bitching about the umpires and how "it's really hard to win when the Red Sox get all the calls." f*** you, they missed a blatant call in Game 1 that could have cost the Sox the game.

[a700hitter]

The Mets should have been using the "s*** Happens" slogan since 1986. If their marketing department picks it up, I will file a suit on VA's behalf demanding royalties.

[SoxFanForsyth]

^ Red Sox Strength and Conditioning Staff material

 

Fixed.

[TedWilliams101]

I disagree again. Life happens.

 

And I disagree with you.

 

1. Lackey. I give Theo a pass for Crawford, no one saw this coming (though I still wasn't happy with the amount and length). Lackey, forget it. They gave him Beckett, #1 starter money when he has had his problems pitching not only against AL East teams but in particular at Fenway. How surprising that this trend only continued when he put on a Red Sox uniform...

 

2. Dice-K. Big big blunder from day 1, but relying on him as a starter this season was especially foolish.

 

3. Wakefield. Theo really expected Wake to be his 6th/replacement starter? The guy should have retired years ago.

 

4. Farm system pitching. Where the hell is all this talent we've been hearing about for the last couple years? In the last 6 years we've gotten what, Lester, Buch, Bard, and Paps. Where the hell are the rest of the supposed talent?

 

5. Farm System Position players. Yet again, we were supposed to be deep with talent, yet it hasn't shown up anywhere. Reddick impressed early but has been ice cold ever since. Lowrie can't stay healthy and when he is on the field he's either hot or ice cold, more cold than hot, and he is far from solid defensively.

 

6. Deadline moves. We knew we needed OF help, BP and SP help and all we did was add one starter coming off another injury. Not enough. Not even close.

 

Yes, some of the injuries have sucked, but you have to expect that to a degree. Depth is just as valuable as having strong starting players.

 

Top that off with a horrible in-game manager and you have a recipe for disaster down the stretch. The season started off horribly, we didn't add enough help at the deadline, how surprising that the season is finishing horribly to...

[a700hitter]

Nice tag by Pedroia.

 

Last inning, the heart of our order let us down. Hopefully, the bottom of the order can do something.

[lesterkett]

Thats the reason why varitek is on the bench

[NativeBostonian]

The Mets should have been using the "s*** Happens" slogan since 1986. If their marketing department picks it up' date=' I will file a suit on VA's behalf demanding royalties.[/quote']

 

+1

[iortiz]

IMO, if the FO had done enough to get us 1 or 2 wins down the stretch that would be enough. If we lose out, it will only be by a game or 2. Wakefield never should have been trotted out for so many games when he was pitching like garbage, and that kid Weiland should not have been thrown to the wolves. They didn't need to replace the entire roster. One guy might have made the difference. That guy might have been Millwood.

 

Vlad has been a terrible base runner for years-- even when he could still run.

 

How many games does He cost us in the 200th-W attempt? 7? 8? The half of those games would represent at this point the POs.

[VA Sox Fan]

That's how life works? Gee, I sure hope I can use the attitude you have about all this if I ever get fired from a job. "It's not my fault I suck at this job. I'm a part of a team, and it sucks we are underperforming, but these things just happen, no one is to blame!" Yeah that'll go over real well.

 

Get realistic, stop being so complacent. SOMEBODY on this team needs to take some responsibility.

 

WHO????? Stop it. Please.