Granderson for MVP

[iortiz]

What in the hell should be considered to win the MVP then...? What?.

 

A-GOD is not in his best pace right now, but if he starts performing as May or June, he definitely will win.

[Palodios]

Let's conveniently leave out SLG' date=' HR, R, and RBI. I can leave out relevant stats as well, but, well, I'm not a hypocrite[/quote']

 

Seriously man, you've left out plenty of relevant stats.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So you don't think being out of the top 20 in hits, top 15 in OBP and being only 10th in walks will count against him at all when the voters are deciding? You don't think there's any possibility that overall hits and OBP are considered important?

 

Someone who is better at finding stats than me please find out when the last time an MVP winner has been further out than 20th in hits or 15th in OBP (Excluding pitchers, of course)

 

2010: J. Hamilton - 186 Hits (6th), .411 OBP (2nd)

2009: J. Mauer - 191 Hits (6th), .444 OBP (1st)

2008: D. Pedroia - 213 Hits (1st), .376 OBP (10th)

2007: A. Rodriguez - 183 Hits (13th), .422 OBP (4th)

2006: J. Morneau - 190 Hits (7th), .375 OBP (17th)

2005: V. Guerrero - 165 Hits (28th), .394 OBP (5th)

 

2011 Jacko Favorite - 118 Hits (23rd), .367 OBP (18th)

 

Jacko. Be real. No MVP over the past 6 years has been out of the top 7 in at least 1 of the two categories. And you are saying that Granderson is the favorite even though he's not even in the top 15 in EITHER category?? Get a freaking clue.

 

And FWIW, when Vlad was 28th in Hits, he still hit .317 (3rd in AL)

[ORS]

So it isnt close even though Granderson has a higher OPS' date=' HR, 3B, R, and RBI? Are we overrating BA just a bit right now, seeing as we have learned that BA is somewhat of a primitive statistic? [b']And I think many people on this site have supported the idea that UZR is more of a multi-yr trend rather than a single season stat. I think those who supported Ells in CF last yr were touting that. How things have changed with the shoe on the other foot.[/b]

You've got that legitimate UZR issue way wrong in terms of this discussion. UZR over a 3 year period gives you a more accurate assessment of a player's defensive ability than a 1 year sample does. However, we are only talking about this year. In terms of a one year MVP discussion, UZR is fine as a snapshot for how they played that year and that year alone, but it has little predictive value about future years.

 

The numbers stand for this year.

[AtWork]

So it isnt close even though Granderson has a higher OPS' date=' HR, 3B, R, and RBI? Are we overrating BA just a bit right now, seeing as we have learned that BA is somewhat of a primitive statistic? And I think many people on this site have supported the idea that UZR is more of a multi-yr trend rather than a single season stat. I think those who supported Ells in CF last yr were touting that. How things have changed with the shoe on the other foot.[/quote']

 

I agree that AVG is a primitive statistic, but we're not the ones who vote on the award. And for the people who do vote on the award, AVG clearly matters as evidenced by the fact that only 3 players in the history of the award have won it with an AVG of .275 or lower and that hasn't happened since 1965.

 

Which one are you trying to argue Jacko, that Granderson deserves to win the award or that the voters who vote on the award are going to vote for him? Because those are two clearly different things.

[AtWork]

Let's conveniently leave out SLG' date=' HR, R, and RBI. I can leave out relevant stats as well, but, well, I'm not a hypocrite[/quote']

 

Just filling in the gaps that YOU conveniently forgot to mention. You stated where he ranked in triples but left out AVG? Bitch, please!

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

2010: J. Hamilton - 186 Hits (6th), .411 OBP (2nd)

2009: J. Mauer - 191 Hits (6th), .444 OBP (1st)

2008: D. Pedroia - 213 Hits (1st), .376 OBP (10th)

2007: A. Rodriguez - 183 Hits (13th), .422 OBP (4th)

2006: J. Morneau - 190 Hits (7th), .375 OBP (17th)

2005: V. Guerrero - 165 Hits (28th), .394 OBP (5th)

 

2011 Jacko Favorite - 118 Hits (23rd), .367 OBP (18th)

 

Jacko. Be real. No MVP over the past 6 years has been out of the top 7 in at least 1 of the two categories. And you are saying that Granderson is the favorite even though he's not even in the top 15 in EITHER category?? Get a freaking clue.

 

And FWIW, when Vlad was 28th in Hits, he still hit .317 (3rd in AL)

 

Survey says.......

 

Ding*

[BornToRun]

I think we're forgetting the fact that he's a Yankee though, he leads the league in Class percentage and his Mystique+Aura average is on pace to be to the highest in 10 years.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I think we're forgetting the fact that he's a Yankee though' date=' he leads the league in Class percentage and his Mystique+Aura average is on pace to be to the highest in 10 years.[/quote']

 

This thread is now over

[InfernoOrangeSS]

I think as long as they keep giving Jeter a gold glove every year, anything is possible.

 

 

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

His GG last year was a fluke.

[BornToRun]

Jeter gets GG's because of one catch he made in 2004, the one where he caught a pop-up and then decided to look pretty by pulling a Thurman Munson piloting lesson into the stands.

[Youk Of The Nation]

2010: J. Hamilton - 186 Hits (6th), .411 OBP (2nd)

2009: J. Mauer - 191 Hits (6th), .444 OBP (1st)

2008: D. Pedroia - 213 Hits (1st), .376 OBP (10th)

2007: A. Rodriguez - 183 Hits (13th), .422 OBP (4th)

2006: J. Morneau - 190 Hits (7th), .375 OBP (17th)

2005: V. Guerrero - 165 Hits (28th), .394 OBP (5th)

 

2011 Jacko Favorite - 118 Hits (23rd), .367 OBP (18th)

 

Jacko. Be real. No MVP over the past 6 years has been out of the top 7 in at least 1 of the two categories. And you are saying that Granderson is the favorite even though he's not even in the top 15 in EITHER category?? Get a freaking clue.

 

And FWIW, when Vlad was 28th in Hits, he still hit .317 (3rd in AL)

 

And on top of that, Morneau with the lowest ranked OBP on this list, was the one that made everyone say "What?!".

 

Even I, as a Sox fan, would have figured A-Rod in 2006, Morneau came right the f*** out of nowhere.

[AtWork]

I think we're forgetting the fact that he's a Yankee though' date=' he leads the league in Class percentage and his Mystique+Aura average is on pace to be to the highest in 10 years.[/quote']

 

 

That would explain why a Yankees player and not Ted Williams won the MVP Award both times that he hit for the triple crown.

[YANKEESRULE]

Jeter gets GG's because of one catch he made in 2004' date=' the one where he caught a pop-up and then decided to look pretty by pulling a Thurman Munson piloting lesson into the stands.[/quote']

 

That's pretty low man, how would you like it if I called Lester cancer boy.

[AtWork]

That's pretty low man' date=' how would you like it if I called Lester cancer boy.[/quote']

 

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[boston22407]

Just close this thread already please !

[Emmz]

He's leading the RBI column by one. Also' date=' I think you can stop mentioning triples, as the only time anyone has ever taken triples into account when voting has been at the Adult Film Awards.[/quote']

 

hi5

[example1]

Fangraphs lists Granderson as the 5th most valuable CF in baseball (by WAR) behind Ellsbury, Kemp, Victorino and McCutchen. Sorry, but defense matters in CF and Granderson is below average as WAR measures it.

 

I actually think that Pedroia is making a really good run at the award again. It isn't hard to argue that Pedroia is having a better year than he did in 2008. He's drawing more walks and has an OBP near .400 with a pretty solid slugging percentage.

 

Watching most of the games, Pedroia just doesn't seem to do anything wrong on the field. He makes tremendous defensive plays, puts up some of the most difficult ABs of any player in baseball, runs the bases well, and helps his team win games year in and year out. If the season ended today he would get my vote.

[a700hitter]

Fangraphs lists Granderson as the 5th most valuable CF in baseball (by WAR) behind Ellsbury, Kemp, Victorino and McCutchen. Sorry, but defense matters in CF and Granderson is below average as WAR measures it.

 

I actually think that Pedroia is making a really good run at the award again. It isn't hard to argue that Pedroia is having a better year than he did in 2008. He's drawing more walks and has an OBP near .400 with a pretty solid slugging percentage.

 

Watching most of the games, Pedroia just doesn't seem to do anything wrong on the field. He makes tremendous defensive plays, puts up some of the most difficult ABs of any player in baseball, runs the bases well, and helps his team win games year in and year out. If the season ended today he would get my vote.

As of today, I'd vote for Ellsbury.