Granderson for MVP

[jacksonianmarch]

I didnt think this was possible, but now I think he could be the frontrunner for MVP. Look at the numbers

 

First the slash line

.275/.367/.579 for an OPS of .946.

 

Now for the individual stats and rank

Runs- 104- 1st in AL (and MLB )

Triples- 9- 1st in AL (4th in MLB )

Homeruns- 32- 2nd-t in AL (2nd-t in MLB )

RBI- 93- 1st in AL (and MLB )

SB- 22- 9th in AL

 

The two big knocks are the K's (4th in AL) and his defense this yr has been poor by UZR (-8) although it was solid last yr. Regardless, he's been the key cog in the Yankee machine and I think right now, you have to think he's the leader in the AL

[AtWork]

I didnt think this was possible, but now I think he could be the frontrunner for MVP. Look at the numbers

 

First the slash line

.275/.367/.579 for an OPS of .946.

 

Now for the individual stats and rank

Runs- 104- 1st in AL (and MLB )

Triples- 9- 1st in AL (4th in MLB )

Homeruns- 32- 2nd-t in AL (2nd-t in MLB )

RBI- 93- 1st in AL (and MLB )

SB- 22- 9th in AL

 

The two big knocks are the K's (4th in AL) and his defense this yr has been poor by UZR (-8) although it was solid last yr. Regardless, he's been the key cog in the Yankee machine and I think right now, you have to think he's the leader in the AL

 

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

He'll finish in the top 5 just like CC will be in the top 5 for Cy Young but he won't and should not win. I give it a month before you start talking about how CC should win the Cy Young but I'd love for you to prove me wrong.

[jacksonianmarch]

Who should be the leader then? AdGon has a similar OPS, less HR, RBI, SB, and Runs and plays a less important defensive position. Ellsbury? Much lower OPS, less HR, RBI, more SB, less Runs and plays better D in CF.

 

Bautista is the only guy that I think is giving Grandy a run right now. Obviously, there's still 6 weeks left, but Bautista is probably 1a right now. His knocks are the SBs, the defensive position and the fact that his team isnt good.

[AtWork]

Who should be the leader then? AdGon has a similar OPS' date=' less HR, RBI, SB, and Runs and plays a less important defensive position. Ellsbury? Much lower OPS, less HR, RBI, more SB, less Runs and plays better D in CF.[/quote']

 

Gonzalez will win it. He best fits the traditional model of a high AVG, higher OPS, HR hitting, RBI producing player on a first place team. Plus he doesn't suck on defense. Like it or not, this is still a very traditional award.

 

If we're talking about who should win it, I would pick Dustin Pedroia but Ellsbury and Bautista would also be more deserving.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yanks are a playoff team, Granderson has way more HR, now leads him in RBI and has scored more runs. And Grandy has a better WAR by 0.5

[BigPapiEnFuego]

The only way the abbreviation of MVP ever makes sense when used with the yankees is if we are talking about Most Veneral disease infested Prick.

 

Jeter and A-Rod are annual frontrunners

[AtWork]

The Yanks are a playoff team' date=' Granderson has way more HR, now leads him in RBI and has scored more runs.[/quote']

 

When's the last time a player hitting .275 won the AL MVP?

 

Sorry, but you're way off on this one.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I think the top 5 in the MVP voting will end up being Gonzalez, Bautista, Ellsbury, Granderson, and either Pedroia or Tiexera. I just have no idea what order they'll be in.

[Palodios]

Granderson is mediocre defensively, is hitting only .270, and is 4th in the league in strikeouts. Sure, Adrian Gonzalez has fewer homers and triples, but he also has 17 more doubles and 50 more total hits than Granderson. 50!

 

Granderson is 5th in WAR right now. Sure he's in the conversation, but to say he's any better than #3 is pushing it.

[AtWork]

Granderson is mediocre defensively, is hitting only .270, and is 4th in the league in strikeouts. Sure, Adrian Gonzalez has fewer homers and triples, but he also has 17 more doubles and 50 more total hits than Granderson. 50!

 

Granderson is 5th in WAR right now. Sure he's in the conversation, but to say he's any better than #3 is pushing it.

 

You're being a homer, he HAS to be the leading candidate.

[AtWork]

When's the last time a player hitting .275 won the AL MVP?

 

If you're still looking, the answer's 1965.

[redsoxrules]

LOL @ this thread

[Youk Of The Nation]

Granderson takes a one RBI lead over Gonzalez and a few hours later, jacko says 'I didn't believe it was possible, but now I think he might be the favorite for MVP!!!!!' What happens tomorrow when Gonzalez takes the lead back?

[AtWork]

In the history of the award, only 3 players have hit .275 or lower and won the award. One was Roger Marris in 1961, one was Zoilo Versalles in 1965 who hit .273/.319/.462 but lead his league on total bases and the other was Yogi Berra in 1955.

 

So unless Granderson sets a new MLB record for home runs, leads his league in total bases or is a catcher, he's not winning.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I always thought MVP was more of an offensive award. I always thought they didn't take much stock in defense.

 

 

Overall I'd say Gonzalez has another month like May or June he gets MVP. Even a few weeks like that would be good. But if he keeps hitting like he has since the ASB he won't and it may be Granderson.

 

All signs point to Gonzalez not hitting for low power like he is now so I think the chances he get it is high

[boston22407]

STOP JACKO!

[Rdsxmbnt]

Sure Gonzalez plays at a less important defensive position, but he plays it at an elite level. Granderson plays an important defensive position poorly

[redsoxrules]

Pedroia is also above Granderson in the MVP race IMO

[yankees228]

The award should go to Bautista or Pedroia, although, as many have said, I could also see Gonzalez winning it.

[AtWork]

Granderson

AVG - .275 (35th)

OBP - .367 (18th)

Hits - 118 (23rd)

Doubles - 18 (62nd)

Walks - 59 (10th)

 

He's a shoe in!

[SoxFanForsyth]

WAR Leaders in the AL:

 

Bautista: 6.8

Pedroia: 6.7

Ellsbury: 5.7

Zobrist: 5.6

Granderson: 5.2

 

Sorry dude. Ellsbury is a better CF than Granderson.

 

Stats followed by ranking in AL

Ellsbury - Granderson

 

.314 BA (9th) - .275 (35th)

.876 OPS (9th) - .949 (4th)

84 R (2nd) - 105 (1st)

150 H (3rd) - 118 (23rd)

31 2B (7th) - 18 (62nd)

19 HR (15th) - 32 (2nd)

72 RBI (12th) - 93 (1st)

31 SB (4th) - 22 (9th)

 

It's really not even close. Ellsbury is a much better and complete player. He's in the top 10 in the AL in all but two major categories. And this doesn't even incorporate his far superior defense.

[Rdsxmbnt]

WAR Leaders in the AL:

 

Bautista: 6.8

Pedroia: 6.7

Ellsbury: 5.7

Zobrist: 5.6

Granderson: 5.2

 

Sorry dude. Ellsbury is a better CF than Granderson.

 

Stats followed by ranking in AL

Ellsbury - Granderson

 

.314 BA (9th) - .275 (35th)

.876 OPS (9th) - .949 (4th)

84 R (2nd) - 105 (1st)

150 H (3rd) - 118 (23rd)

31 2B (7th) - 18 (62nd)

19 HR (15th) - 32 (2nd)

72 RBI (12th) - 93 (1st)

31 SB (4th) - 22 (9th)

 

It's really not even close. Ellsbury is a much better and complete player. He's in the top 10 in the AL in all but two major categories. And this doesn't even incorporate his far superior defense.

 

And the two categories hes not are almost never associated with leadoff hitters, the fact that he has 19 HR and 72 RBI is pretty rare

[SoxFanForsyth]

With a UZR of -10.0 per Fangraphs, Granderson is actually the worst defensive center fielder in the MLB, while Ellsbury's 7.5 UZR ranks 4th best in the MLB.

[AtWork]

PLEASE do not ever ban Jacko. This kind of entertainment is priceless.

[Cocos Disciples]

I'd still give it to Bautista. Can't wait for the arguments over semantics and the meaning of the word "valuable" to come up again, as they do every single year.

[AtWork]

I would have no problem with Bautista winning the award. IMO the award should go to the best player in their league. A player shouldn't be penalized because they're on a bad team because chances are if they were on a better team, their numbers would also be better.

[jacksonianmarch]

And the two categories hes not are almost never associated with leadoff hitters' date=' the fact that he has 19 HR and 72 RBI is pretty rare[/quote']

 

So it isnt close even though Granderson has a higher OPS, HR, 3B, R, and RBI? Are we overrating BA just a bit right now, seeing as we have learned that BA is somewhat of a primitive statistic? And I think many people on this site have supported the idea that UZR is more of a multi-yr trend rather than a single season stat. I think those who supported Ells in CF last yr were touting that. How things have changed with the shoe on the other foot.

[jacksonianmarch]

Granderson

AVG - .275 (35th)

OBP - .367 (18th)

Hits - 118 (23rd)

Doubles - 18 (62nd)

Walks - 59 (10th)

 

He's a shoe in!

 

Let's conveniently leave out SLG, HR, R, and RBI. I can leave out relevant stats as well, but, well, I'm not a hypocrite

[Youk Of The Nation]

He's leading the RBI column by one. Also, I think you can stop mentioning triples, as the only time anyone has ever taken triples into account when voting has been at the Adult Film Awards.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Let's conveniently leave out SLG' date=' HR, R, and RBI. I can leave out relevant stats as well, but, well, I'm not a hypocrite[/quote']

 

So you don't think being out of the top 20 in hits, top 15 in OBP and being only 10th in walks will count against him at all when the voters are deciding? You don't think there's any possibility that overall hits and OBP are considered important?

 

Someone who is better at finding stats than me please find out when the last time an MVP winner has been further out than 20th in hits or 15th in OBP (Excluding pitchers, of course)