Saltalamacchia starting to tear it up

[redsoxrules]

Seriously man' date=' hang it up. Any other year you have an argument, but Drew is playing like a piece of s*** right now.[/quote']

 

Oh and Carl Crawford is not ?

 

the funny thing is , I actually know that Drew is playing like s*** BUT you guys actually like the performance so far from Crawford and saying his numbers are awesome

 

Thats actually sad

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

After what we saw from Crawford in April you're not happy with the numbers we're getting from him now? Dude the fact of the matter is if you see a post that says Drew and suck in it you get butthurt. I understand you like Drew but there's no getting around how bad he is playing. Then you compare him to Crawford like he's better than him or something. You dislike Crawford or what? Did you want to get Werth this offseason?

[redsoxrules]

Ah ok... I see how this works . Cherry picking stats.

So , does April not count for him ?

 

I was never happy with the Crawford signing, especially for the price they got him for .

 

With the contract he was awarded he should be putting up close to Gonzo numbers

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Dude I'm not throwing away the April stats. No one is denying he sucked in April. That's not what we're arguing. We're arguing who is playing better. Now let me ask you who is playing better Crawford or Drew?

 

Waits for OBP argument*

[redsoxrules]

Dude I'm not throwing away the April stats. No one is denying he sucked in April. That's not what we're arguing. We're arguing who is playing better. Now let me ask you who is playing better Crawford or Drew?

 

Waits for OBP argument*

 

Neither , there both awfull

 

and BTW its better to get on base to get out .

Getting on base keeps the lineup moving

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Denial.

[Dojji]

The **** does this have with Saltalamacchia?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

You're right, my bad.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Ah ok... I see how this works . Cherry picking stats.

So , does April not count for him ?

 

I was never happy with the Crawford signing, especially for the price they got him for .

 

With the contract he was awarded he should be putting up close to Gonzo numbers

 

Oh, and you aren't?

 

Either way, After April CC's hitting .304/.328/.482/.810 in may and .278/.298/.463/.761 in June. Those are good numbers. Deal with it. Compare that to Drew over the same 2 months: .188/.305/.290/.595 In May, and .241/.300/.296/.596 in June.

 

 

Oh and about CC's last 19 games, that 243/270/429/699 line, here is Drew's in the same time frame: .241/.300/.296/.596

 

Stop getting so butthurt over people hating on Drew, someone who has been doing badly ALL YEAR, and trying to defend him by using someone who did badly for ONE MONTH and has overall been doing better than Drew, as the numbers prove. You're embarrassing yourself.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

The thread is about Salty BPEF

 

Seriously though lets drop it. You'll never change his mind.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Yeah I figure I won't change his mind. People who are in love tend to be delusional. I just wanted to make a point.

 

 

And I don't care if the thread is about Salty. Dojji made a new thread about Saltalamacchia when there already was one, so if he's going to do that so what If I discuss something else in here?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I'm cool with you discussing other Red Sox teammates other than Salty in this thread.

[mikebellhorn]

salty is tek part 2 he is a future all star GG, SS

[Dojji]

Since May 15, arbitrary date selected since that's when he happened to hit his forst homer, and alwso interesting because it's a little over 2 months of hitting, and a combined ~100-120 PA here's Salty's line.

 

.280 BA

.363 OBP

.576 SLG

.939 OPS

8 HR

17 XBH

 

1:2 bb/k ratio (not great, not terrible)

 

Combine that with being at least a non-liability on D (his glove isn't great, but he's a big league catcher defensively) and I think we may have a winner here. Looks like the real Saltalamacchia might have arrived after that rough first month and a half.

 

Which is, you know, awesome.

[SCM33]

Since May 15, arbitrary date selected since that's when he happened to hit his forst homer, and alwso interesting because it's a little over 2 months of hitting, and a combined ~100-120 PA here's Salty's line.

 

.280 BA

.363 OBP

.576 SLG

.939 OPS

8 HR

17 XBH

 

1:2 bb/k ratio (not great, not terrible)

 

Combine that with being at least a non-liability on D (his glove isn't great, but he's a big league catcher defensively) and I think we may have a winner here. Looks like the real Saltalamacchia might have arrived after that rough first month and a half.

 

Which is, you know, awesome.

 

 

You are cherry picking stats, again. In the end, all that matters is where his total numbers end up. Hes been average to below average, and is a below average defensive catcher.

 

He is very replaceable and is only a spare part until a young kid bumps him out which may be as soon as next year.

[Dojji]

pff, please, His overall numbers are a .771 OPS at the moment (.240/.320/.452), which is well above average from the catching position, and is in fact above average for hitters in general. You get .450 slugging and average OBP from the catching position you're doing well. His glove and arm are both average, neither an asset nor a liability. Taken as a whole the guy is pretty much replicating what you could have expected from Varitek in an average year, at least in terms of the numbers, and that's with a month and a half uberslump thrown in. He'd have to really tail off before he's in any way a spare part.

 

Also, I suppose using the same logic that people use to defend Crawford, to back up a guy who's indisputably been worth the investment so far, is so evil.

 

I don't think Salty will ever be where Tek was defensively, but he's got the upside to reach heights of offense Varitek couldn't touch, and he's already a better defender than VMart. This kid could easily be a star for us.

[SCM33]

Below average, and replaceable.

[a700hitter]

Still stinks

[Dojji]

Well with that kind of evidence to back up your position, who am I to argue?

 

He's neither below average, nor is a catcher who can slug .450 particularly easy to replace. And while the hot sun and the tools of ignorance probably do his fragrance no favors, I'm pretty sure that's not what you're talking about.

 

21 teams would kill to have Saltalamacchia on their squad at the moment.

[a700hitter]

Well with that kind of evidence to back up your position, who am I to argue?

 

He's neither below average, nor is a catcher who can slug .450 particularly easy to replace. 21 teams would kill to have Saltalamacchia on their squad at the moment.

Just because most players at his position stink, and many stink worse than Salty, doesn't mean that Salty doesn't stink.

[Dojji]

No but it probably does mean you're spoiled enough to hold catchers to an unrealistic standard.

 

You've pretty much just admitted that Salty is above average for a catcher, so why don't we just call this a day, hmm?

[SCM33]

Dojii, you are making an argument based on cherry picking stats. Just because he is the least smelly pile of poop doesnt mean hes a good pile of poop, theres no such thing. If you think he has been impressive then I have reservations about how you evaluate a baseball player. Hes just not that good.

 

He is replaceable and is only keeping the knee savers warm until someone else bumps him out.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Dojii, you are making an argument based on cherry picking stats. Just because he is the least smelly pile of poop doesnt mean hes a good pile of poop, theres no such thing. If you think he has been impressive then I have reservations about how you evaluate a baseball player. Hes just not that good.

 

He is replaceable and is only keeping the knee savers warm until someone else bumps him out.

 

You're ridiculous. He's a top 3 catcher in the AL. You give me 3 better catchers in the AL. Out of all catchers in the AL with at least 200 PA, he's 3rd in OPS.

[a700hitter]

Well with that kind of evidence to back up your position, who am I to argue?

 

He's neither below average, nor is a catcher who can slug .450 particularly easy to replace. And while the hot sun and the tools of ignorance probably do his fragrance no favors, I'm pretty sure that's not what you're talking about.

 

21 teams would kill to have Saltalamacchia on their squad at the moment.

I've also said that I'd be happy if he hit .250 for the season taking into consideration that he stinks, so i don't know why you are arguing with me. I'm not unhappy with Salty. He can't help it if he stinks.

[SCM33]

You're ridiculous. He's a top 3 catcher in the AL. You give me 3 better catchers in the AL. Out of all catchers in the AL with at least 200 PA' date=' he's 3rd in OPS.[/quote']

 

LOL, yup....top 3.

 

Wieters, Santana, Avila, Vmart, Mauer......thats 5.

 

EDIT: removed Pierzynski, didnt realize how bad hes been this year...just looked at his numbers, zero pop.

[SoxFanForsyth]

LOL, yup....top 3.

 

Wieters, Santana, Avila, Vmart, Pierzynski, Mauer......thats 6.

 

This is laughable.

 

Avila and Santana, I'll give you.

 

Weiters and Salty are about a wash.

 

Clearly you have forgotten how horrible Victor is at throwing people out. Mauer is looking to change position because of his knees. Pierzynski. Oh my God. You said Pierzynski. This is a joke, right? You like that .379 SLG%? Bahahaha.

 

Dude. Salty is a better catcher for 2011 going forward than all but 2 of those.

 

Pierzynski. LMAO.

[SCM33]

This is laughable.

 

Avila and Santana, I'll give you.

 

Weiters and Salty are about a wash.

 

Clearly you have forgotten how horrible Victor is at throwing people out. Mauer is looking to change position because of his knees. Pierzynski. Oh my God. You said Pierzynski. This is a joke, right? You like that .379 SLG%? Bahahaha.

 

Dude. Salty is a better catcher for 2011 going forward than all but 2 of those.

 

Pierzynski. LMAO.

 

Now where cherry picking players eligible for the position? Victor is better than Salty, lets not argue that.....thats ridiculous. Weiters is a wash offensively. Hes better defensively...thus, its not a wash. Mauer is a ctcher, until he plays a season at another position.

 

Just for the record, I edited out Pierzynski BEFORE you posted this. I came up with 5 in my head without even looking at the stats.

 

Hes not that good. My argument is simply you cannot cherry pick stats. Being the smartest retard does not make you smart. Being in the top 3 of BAD group of catchers does not make you a good.

 

He is average at best, and very replaceable.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The AL Average Catcher is hitting .236/.307/.377/.684

Saltalamacchia is hitting .249/.320/.451/.771.

 

But he stinks and he's not a top 3 catcher in the AL.

 

For all Catchers with at least 200 PA:

 

Avila: .865 OPS

Santana: .784 OPS

Salty: .771 OPS

 

Wieters: .762 OPS

Pierzynski: .713 OPS

Martin: .695 OPS

Arencepia: .681

Torrealba: .666

Treanor: .665

Suzuki: .640

Jaso: .639

Olivo: .628

 

Oh, and Mauer has a . 700 OPS this season

 

But Salty stinks and he's replaceable. Hmmm....that makes sense....

[SoxFanForsyth]

Now where cherry picking players eligible for the position? Victor is better than Salty, lets not argue that.....thats ridiculous. Weiters is a wash offensively. Hes better defensively...thus, its not a wash. Mauer is a ctcher, until he plays a season at another position.

 

Just for the record, I edited out Pierzynski BEFORE you posted this. I came up with 5 in my head without even looking at the stats.

 

Hes not that good. My argument is simply you cannot cherry pick stats. Being the smartest retard does not make you smart. Being in the top 3 of BAD group of catchers does not make you a good.

 

He is average at best, and very replaceable.

 

Cherry picking stats? Like what, OPS?? How the hell am I cherry picking stats?? And yeah, I required 200 PA to judge the catchers, that way you don't have Jose Molina who is OPS'ing .831 over 103 AB coming in and looking better because of a SSS.

 

Tell me. Who do you replace Salty with?

[SCM33]

The AL Average Catcher is hitting .236/.307/.377/.684

Saltalamacchia is hitting .249/.320/.451/.771.

 

Are you just trying to argue, or can you not read?

 

Look at those numbers. Just because he has sucked less than the rest doesnt mean hes a good option. Hes simply a fill in until a better option becomes available.

 

I am not arguing top 3, you made that argument.

 

My argument is only that being the best of the worst, does not make him good.