5/26 @ Detroit

[MJantomaso]

Prove me with some stats that shows that Crawford has been hitting better than Drew so far this year

 

Well the difference between Crawford and Drew is that Drew will continue to play terrible for the remainder of the season.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Prove me with some stats that shows that Crawford has been hitting better than Drew so far this year

 

At the end of the season I guarantee Crawford will be hitting 10x better than Drew.

[a700hitter]

shame ? you're enjoying his play so far this year ?

 

I'll enjoy his play if he can produce the season he did last year over and over . Otherwise his contract is a complete bust

I've enjoyed his walk off hits, his ability to score from first when few major leaguers could, his ability to steal bases with ease, and his ability to chase balls down in the OF that neither Bay nor Werth would have a prayer of getting to. Yes, I am enjoying watching him perform, especially knowing how much better he can play. Have you not watched this guy wreck our team the last several years while on Tampa?

[iortiz]

Prove me with some stats that shows that Crawford has been hitting better than Drew so far this year

 

My friend, he's better in may, i already shared the numbers, if your point is that he has to be one more month in that spot and keep the numbers, ok, given his start (even i'm not agree). But as i said, 25 days already passed and he's still 7-8 with good numbers. 30 more days do you suggest?

[Brown28]

Anybody who thinks Drew desrves to be above CC in the lineup clearly doesnt watch the games and just reads the box score the next morning. Fine Drews overall stats and Crawfords overall stats are similar with Drew being slightly ahead, but if you watch them play side by side, you can tell who the better hitter is. Yes, Crawford isnt the most patient hitter in the world but neither is Drew. Crawford hits to all fields and with solid power. Plus with his wheels any ball in the gap is automatically 2 or 3 bags. That samelogic applies when Crawford is on the paths. Not only is he a threat to steal literally every pitch but he can score from 1st on plays that Drew would have to hustle to 2nd on and would probably get thrown out at 3rd. Someone tell me please, why any other club would have any reason to be afraid when good ol' J.D. comes to the plate?

[WhiskeyBreath]

I've enjoyed his walk off hits' date=' his ability to score from first when few major leaguers could, his ability to steal bases with ease, and his ability to chase balls down in the OF that neither Bay nor Werth would have a prayer of getting to. Yes, I am enjoying watching him perform, especially knowing how much better he can play. Have you not watched this guy wreck our team the last several years while on Tampa?[/quote']

 

Almost sounds like you are talking about Lugo

[MJantomaso]

Drew is about as athletic as Jamie Moyer...

[MJantomaso]

Almost sounds like you are talking about Lugo

 

That name makes the hair on my neck stand up.

[WhiskeyBreath]

Drew is about as athletic as Jamie Moyer...

 

 

Sorry but you can't play a damn good right field at Fenway like he does and not be somewhat athletic.

[MJantomaso]

 

Sorry but you can't play a damn good right field at Fenway like he does and not be somewhat athletic.

 

With that unbelievable range and rocket arm...

[Dipre]

Anybody who thinks Drew desrves to be above CC in the lineup clearly doesnt watch the games and just reads the box score the next morning. Fine Drews overall stats and Crawfords overall stats are similar with Drew being slightly ahead' date=' but if you watch them play side by side, you can tell who the better hitter is. [b']Yes, Crawford isnt the most patient hitter in the world but neither is Drew.[/b] Crawford hits to all fields and with solid power. Plus with his wheels any ball in the gap is automatically 2 or 3 bags. That samelogic applies when Crawford is on the paths. Not only is he a threat to steal literally every pitch but he can score from 1st on plays that Drew would have to hustle to 2nd on and would probably get thrown out at 3rd. Someone tell me please, why any other club would have any reason to be afraid when good ol' J.D. comes to the plate?

 

JD Drew continues to be the litmus test for Red Sox fans anywhere. Those who understand statistical analysis and the importance of a good at-bat, OBP and defense understand Drew's contributions to the club, even with his power diminishing, and those who don't spout nonsense similar to the above.

 

Drew is one of the most patient hitters in all of baseball and a better hitter (not a better athlete) than Crawford. There is a difference.

[Dipre]

I've enjoyed his walk off hits' date=' his ability to score from first when few major leaguers could, his ability to steal bases with ease, and his ability to chase balls down in the OF that neither Bay nor Werth would have a prayer of getting to. Yes, I am enjoying watching him perform, especially knowing how much better he can play. Have you not watched this guy wreck our team the last several years while on Tampa?[/quote']

 

The one thing i dislike about your assessment of players is that you are quick to point the negative aspects of everyone you dislike while burying your head in the sand and entering denial mode when presented with the issues of player you do like.

 

Crawford will be a solid player for the Sox, but he has platoon issues (and the stats prove this, feel free to maintain the denial stance) on-base deficiencies and middling power. His defense and speed add to his value, but he's not worth 142 million dollars. When presented this, your typical response would be "I don't care about the money spent on a player" which is a fair stance, yet when presented with the case of Dice-K, a player you don't like, you are quick to point out he "wasn't worth the money that was invested in him" which is a point you shouldn't be making if you don't care about how much a player is being paid.

 

Can't have it both ways.

 

As for the Crawford issues, he's already mashing righties, which is the norm, so hit him 1-2 with Ellsbury, but for the love of God, hit him eighth against lefties to avoid gamely0o-fer.

[a700hitter]

Almost sounds like you are talking about Lugo

:lol:Don't scare people like that. Crawford is no Lugo. Crawford's accomplishments are significant yet unheralded. People don't realize that he has more hits at the same age than Derek Jeter had. He also has more career stolen bases than all active players except Juan Pierre who is 5 years older.

[iortiz]

JD Drew continues to be the litmus test for Red Sox fans anywhere. Those who understand statistical analysis and the importance of a good at-bat, OBP and defense understand Drew's contributions to the club, even with his power diminishing, and those who don't spout nonsense similar to the above.

 

Drew is one of the most patient hitters in all of baseball and a better hitter (not a better athlete) than Crawford. There is a difference.

 

+1

[a700hitter]

The one thing i dislike about your assessment of players is that you are quick to point the negative aspects of everyone you dislike while burying your head in the sand and entering denial mode when presented with the issues of player you do like.

 

Crawford will be a solid player for the Sox, but he has platoon issues (and the stats prove this, feel free to maintain the denial stance) on-base deficiencies and middling power. His defense and speed add to his value, but he's not worth 142 million dollars. When presented this, your typical response would be "I don't care about the money spent on a player" which is a fair stance, yet when presented with the case of Dice-K, a player you don't like, you are quick to point out he "wasn't worth the money that was invested in him" which is a point you shouldn't be making if you don't care about how much a player is being paid.

 

Can't have it both ways.

 

As for the Crawford issues, he's already mashing righties, which is the norm, so hit him 1-2 with Ellsbury, but for the love of God, hit him eighth against lefties to avoid gamely0o-fer.

What Sox players do I not like? I like them all. Some are great, some good and some are not so good. I've seen a lot of Crawford over the last 7 years, and he is a very good player with excellent skills. You can dispute that if you like, but that's my assessment. He's right in the middle of his prime, so I expect to see some great things from him. As for using Dice K as an example of a player that I don't "like". I find it very frustrating to watch him pitch. Don't you? I am pretty sure Tito finds it frustrating too. It has nothing to do with "like". I'd like for him to be better, and I have been hoping for him to be better for 5 years, but it doesn't look like that will happen. I certainly did not throw dirt on Dice K after his first 2 months with the Sox like you are doing with Crawford. I didn't view Dice K as a bust until some time last season.

[a700hitter]

JD Drew continues to be the litmus test for Red Sox fans anywhere. Those who understand statistical analysis and the importance of a good at-bat, OBP and defense understand Drew's contributions to the club, even with his power diminishing, and those who don't spout nonsense similar to the above.

 

Drew is one of the most patient hitters in all of baseball and a better hitter (not a better athlete) than Crawford. There is a difference.

Yet, Crawford at age 29 has 100 more hits than the 35 year old Drew.

[iortiz]

Drew's contribution...

 

Drew is 4.08 Pit/PA wearing BOS uniform and it's been improving each season since he was with STL.

This 2011 he is 4.13, his second highest peak, just behind 2008 which was 4.16

 

In OPS he is .885 #94 all-timer. Actually he's above A-God who is #96 all-timer with a .8801.

 

BTW. The MLB AVE for Pit/PA is 3.76

 

So, you say...

[a700hitter]

JD Drew continues to be the litmus test for Red Sox fans anywhere. Those who understand statistical analysis and the importance of a good at-bat, OBP and defense understand Drew's contributions to the club, even with his power diminishing, and those who don't spout nonsense similar to the above.

 

Drew is one of the most patient hitters in all of baseball and a better hitter (not a better athlete) than Crawford. There is a difference.

Keep in mind that for most of Drew's career he sat out against most (and the toughest) lefties. His ratio of ABs against righties vs. lefties is much higher than Crawford's ratio. Crawford has been answering the bell everyday for his entire career against every lefty, even the tough ones. If Drew had faced more lefties his OPS no doubt would have suffered and if Crawford had sat against the tougher lefties, his OPS would have improved. I appreciate players that go to the post every day, because I believe that any lineup with Carl Crawford is better than the same lineup without him. Going to the post every day is not always in the best interests of the individual's statistics, but it is in the best interests of the team IMO.

[Dipre]

What Sox players do I not like? I like them all. Some are great' date=' some good and some are not so good. I've seen a lot of Crawford over the last 7 years, and he is a very good player with excellent skills. You can dispute that if you like, but that's my assessment. He's right in the middle of his prime, so I expect to see some great things from him. As for using Dice K as an example of a player that I don't "like". I find it very frustrating to watch him pitch. Don't you? I am pretty sure Tito finds it frustrating too. It has nothing to do with "like". I'd like for him to be better, and I have been hoping for him to be better for 5 years, but it doesn't look like that will happen. I certainly did not throw dirt on Dice K after his first 2 months with the Sox like you are doing with Crawford. I didn't view Dice K as a bust until some time last season.[/quote']

 

Bro, don't put words in my, well, keyboard.

 

I never said Crawford sucks. If you take three seconds to read my post, you'll notice he said he'll be a fine contributor to the Sox, albeit one not worth 142 million.

 

I am merely stating the one real flaw with his game (inability to hit lefties) which eight seasons worth of data support but you stubbornly refuse to see because of fanboyism.

 

He will hit, steal bases, play the best LF deffense in the league and mash righties, but he most likely won't hit lefties, as has been the norm throughout his career. It's not a slight because i dislike Crawford, it's simply the truth.

 

What am i throwing away? You're creating a strawman here. My points are simple: He's not worth what he's being paid (like most other Major Leaguers) and, while he will be very productive, he can't hit lefties. No need to create a position for me i haven't stated.

[Dipre]

Keep in mind that for most of Drew's career he sat out against most (and the toughest) lefties. His ratio of ABs against righties vs. lefties is much higher than Crawford's ratio. Crawford has been answering the bell everyday for his entire career against every lefty' date=' even the tough ones. If Drew had faced more lefties his OPS no doubt would have suffered and if Crawford had sat against the tougher lefties, his OPS would have improved. I appreciate players that go to the post every day, because I believe that any lineup with Carl Crawford is better than the same lineup without him. Going to the post every day is not always in the best interests of the individual's statistics, but it is in the best interests of the team IMO.[/quote']

 

First off, the trend to sit Drew against lefties really only started last year, and second, even though the OPS difference is similar, Drew's career OPS against lefties is almost 100 points higher than Crawford, and more importantly, both his OBP (.357) and slugging percentage (.423) are above the career averages. It doesn't matter what lefty he's facing, Crawford looks hapless, meaning that even if he sat against the "tougher" ones it's difficult to see him making the almost 100 point difference in OPS since he doesn't have very good OBP skills anyway.

 

I just don't see the need to try to hide the elephant in the room. Every ballplayer has their flaws, and Crawford's just happens to be not being able to hit lefties. It's not a slight, but simply the truth as his career .696 OPS and .310 OBP against them can attest.

[SoxFanForsyth]

This is nuts. Look at the Yankees west coast trip. This is a serious opportunity to pick up a good bit of ground from them.

 

9 game trip. In 7 of their 9 games, the will face the following pitchers:

 

@SEA - Pineda (6-2, 2.19 ERA)

@SEA - Felix (5-1, 3.01 ERA)

 

@OAK - Cahill (6-2, 2.02 ERA)

@OAK - Anderson (2-4, 3.18 ERA)

@OAK - Gonzalez (5-2, 2.20 ERA)

 

@LAA - Weaver (6-4, 2.35 ERA)

@LAA - Haren (4-3, 2.24 ERA)

 

Damn.

 

Oh, and the 2 games where they don't face an absolute stud:

 

@SEA - Vargas (2-0, 1.91 ERA in May)

@LAA - Santana (1-1, 3.12 ERA in May)

 

They'll be lucky to take 4 of 9.

[Palodios]

This is nuts. Look at the Yankees west coast trip. This is a serious opportunity to pick up a good bit of ground from them.

 

9 game trip. In 7 of their 9 games, the will face the following pitchers:

 

@SEA - Pineda (6-2, 2.19 ERA)

@SEA - Felix (5-1, 3.01 ERA)

 

@OAK - Cahill (6-2, 2.02 ERA)

@OAK - Anderson (2-4, 3.18 ERA)

@OAK - Gonzalez (5-2, 2.20 ERA)

 

@LAA - Weaver (6-4, 2.35 ERA)

@LAA - Haren (4-3, 2.24 ERA)

 

Damn.

 

Oh, and the 2 games where they don't face an absolute stud:

 

@SEA - Vargas (2-0, 1.91 ERA in May)

@LAA - Santana (1-1, 3.12 ERA in May)

 

They'll be lucky to take 4 of 9.

 

That looks brutal... but doesn't it look pretty much identical to the Red Sox's west coast trip?

[Station 13]

the yankees usually plays like clowns in Anaheim. Go Halos for that series.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Reddick recalled, starting in RF, D-Mac sent to the DL

 

Jacoby Ellsbury, CF

Dustin Pedroia, 2B

Adrian Gonzalez, 1B

Kevin Youkilis, 3B

David Ortiz, DH

Carl Crawford, LF

Josh Reddick, RF

Drew Sutton, SS

Jason Varitek, C

[a700hitter]

Bro, don't put words in my, well, keyboard.

 

I never said Crawford sucks. If you take three seconds to read my post, you'll notice he said he'll be a fine contributor to the Sox, albeit one not worth 142 million.

When the shoe is on the other foot, you don't like it. Remember that you had accused me of applying different standards according to whether I like or dislike players. That's just not true.

 

 

I am merely stating the one real flaw with his game (inability to hit lefties) which eight seasons worth of data support but you stubbornly refuse to see because of fanboyism.

"Fanboyism"? Lol!! You usually accuse me of being a cranky old curmudgeon. You can't have it both ways as you would say.

 

I fully realize that Crawford has problems against lefties, but IMO they are not severe enough to make him into a platoon player. Ortiz was terrible the last two seasons against lefties and i didn't think he should be platooned either. I am not refusing to see his weakness, but I am not willing to equate his hitting against lefties to Rey Ordonez. I think that's an overstatement.

 

My points are simple: He's not worth what he's being paid (like most other Major Leaguers) and' date=' while he will be very productive, he can't hit lefties. No need to create a position for me i haven't stated.[/quote']I believe that he will perform exactly as the FO had expected when they signed him. The FO has deemed that to be worth $142 million. As you point out, he like most major leaguers is overpaid. Werth is even more overpaid. I'm not sure what is your point of disagreement.

[a700hitter]

Reddick recalled, starting in RF, D-Mac sent to the DL

 

Jacoby Ellsbury, CF

Dustin Pedroia, 2B

Adrian Gonzalez, 1B

Kevin Youkilis, 3B

David Ortiz, DH

Carl Crawford, LF

Josh Reddick, RF

Drew Sutton, SS

Jason Varitek, C

Why not Cameron?

[Cocos Disciples]

Everybody better stop this when the game starts.

[a700hitter]

Everybody better stop this when the game starts.

Does this mean that I can't say that Carl Crawford is better than Rey Ordonez or Alezx Cora, if those comparisons are made?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Why not Cameron?

 

Wanted to have a LHH this series apparently.

 

I'm excited to see Reddick. .871 OPS, 12 HR in 44 games this season. Thats a lot better than Drew and Cam. We'll see if it translates, but I'm happy we're giving him a shot.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Atta boy Ells. Get yourself in scoring position!