Dice K Placed on DL

[Will617]

I fail to see how they will benefit from a marketing presence in Japan at all' date=' never mind beyond Dice K's contract. The posting fee purchased no exclusive or shared right to market in Japan. The $52 million posting fee purchased a limited window to exclusively negotiate with Dice K. The other $52 million purchased Dice K's services. None of the investment purchased any right to market in Japan. The Red Sox have no more rights to market in Japan than any other team. They paid $104 million for essentially nothing.[/quote']

 

Why would they need to purchase a right to market? Just having Daisuke would increases interest in the Red Sox, and that would create chances to market the Sox (advertising, merchandising, etc).

[a700hitter]

Why would they need to purchase a right to market? Just having Daisuke would increases interest in the Red Sox' date=' and that would create chances to market the Sox (advertising, merchandising, etc).[/quote']Do you think there is any chance of marketing Dice K merchandise in Japan that would come any where near $102 million in profit? I don't think so. BTW, the proceeds from any major league licensed products or apparel gets shared equally by all major league franchises. So, the Sox would've been far better off if another team had signed him.

[SCM33]

Members defending the Dice-K signing????

 

oy-vey.

 

On the bright side, we might actually never see him on the mound again depending on the status of his ulner collateral ligament.

 

Dice-K clogged up payroll, clogged up a spot in the rotation, clogged up a roster spot, clogged up counts, clogged up bases and probably clogged up a few toilets while wiping his ass with RedSox money he never earned.

[a700hitter]

Members defending the Dice-K signing????

 

oy-vey.

 

On the bright side, we might actually never see him on the mound again depending on the status of his ulner collateral ligament.

 

Dice-K clogged up payroll, clogged up a spot in the rotation, clogged up a roster spot, clogged up counts, clogged up bases and probably clogged up a few toilets while wiping his ass with RedSox money he never earned.

:lol: I never thought about his pattern of clogging things. :lol:

[WhiskeyBreath]

I agree with everything except for the payroll part . His salary hasn't prevented them from doing anything they have wanted to do.

[iortiz]

Members defending the Dice-K signing????

 

oy-vey.

 

On the bright side, we might actually never see him on the mound again depending on the status of his ulner collateral ligament.

 

Dice-K clogged up payroll, clogged up a spot in the rotation, clogged up a roster spot, clogged up counts, clogged up bases and probably clogged up a few toilets while wiping his ass with RedSox money he never earned.

 

lol... agreed.

[redsoxbeatz]

On another note, Aceves and Wakefield are a combined 3-0 with a 1.98 ERA (correct me if i'm wrong) over 4 starts. Pretty awesome.

 

When Lackey returns, which he will on June 5th, I think, and hopefully he'll bring some healthy pitching, who is gonna hold on to that #5 spot? Obviously Wakefield can't always be our starter 'cause he'll be spent at the end of the season.

 

What are the odds of Aceves, Bowden, or Doubront taking that #5 SP slot? I'll cry if Dice-K gets it. I really wish he would just retire and go home. Even though Aceves has only had 2 starts as a starter he's gone 5 or 6 innings each time and only allowed 1-2 runs (right?)... I don't see how Tito could put him back in the bullpen...

[snydersminipretzels]

He was OK for two seasons. I remember him hitting a single in Game 3 of the World Series.

[a700hitter]

It could be Sayonarra for Dice K. Good riddance.

 

Red Sox will discuss Dr. Yocum findings with Dice-K

Posted by Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff May 31, 2011 09:12 PM

 

The Red Sox will discuss the findings of Daisuke Matsuzaka's second-opinion visit with Dr. Lewis Yocum in Los Angeles today, before announcing them.

 

It appears Matsuzaka may have a couple of options to deal with the elbow injury. Not sure yet whether one of them is possible season-ending Tommy John surgery.

 

The Sox had hoped rest and rehab would get Matsuzaka back on the mound.

[iortiz]

On another note, Aceves and Wakefield are a combined 3-0 with a 1.98 ERA (correct me if i'm wrong) over 4 starts. Pretty awesome.

 

When Lackey returns, which he will on June 5th, I think, and hopefully he'll bring some healthy pitching, who is gonna hold on to that #5 spot? Obviously Wakefield can't always be our starter 'cause he'll be spent at the end of the season.

 

What are the odds of Aceves, Bowden, or Doubront taking that #5 SP slot? I'll cry if Dice-K gets it. I really wish he would just retire and go home. Even though Aceves has only had 2 starts as a starter he's gone 5 or 6 innings each time and only allowed 1-2 runs (right?)... I don't see how Tito could put him back in the bullpen...

 

Even today's L, i still bet on Aceves taking that spot than D-K. Just a bad night, it happens.

Let's go Ace!

[Station 13]

What are the odds of Aceves, Bowden, or Doubront taking that #5 SP slot?

 

Aceves is better reliever than Wakefield. Wakefield would be useless as a reliever.

 

He can be an okay 5th starter. You just never really know. But as reliever you know Wakefield is only a mop up man.

 

Bowden? He's probably a trade bait soon. He has no future here.

 

Doubront? Hard to say. He's injured off and on.

[Station 13]

Even today's L, i still bet on Aceves taking that spot than D-K. Just a bad night, it happens.

Let's go Ace!

 

I think Wakey will take the 5th spot.

[SoxSport]

Nick Cafardo's Globe article today on Dice-K and Bobby Valentine's comments have changed my perspective on Dice-K.

 

Valentine, who managed in Japan for 6 years, says the emphasis there is on conditioning and throwing a lot of pitches--while the emphasis here is on pitch counts (fewer pitches) and less conditioning. Because of this philosophy, Dice-K was forced by the Red Sox to change his regimen, which limited his conditioning and may have contributed to his physical breakdown.

 

I tend to agree, since I think pitch counts are probably more harmful than helpful. If you condition any athlete (including racehorses) to do only so much, that's all they will be able to do.

Basically, that's the problem with pitch counts. You limit what your starting pitchers can do, which transfers the burden to the bullpen. And the bullpen gets overused, especially when you use up a fresh arm every inning. Asking a guy to heat up 3 days out of 4 to pitch one inning is a ticket to needing another pitcher in 2-3 months.

 

This is what Tito does, but also what a great many managers in baseball do. They are just following orders from the front office.

From what I've heard, there is a lot more disagreement on this matter just below the surface than meets the eye. The old system made a lot more sense to me. It's the conditioning that counts--not the pitch counts.

 

Here's another thing for you younger guys: you think the doctors know everything? Wait 'till you grow older, and get something common the doctors don't know anything about. It happens all the time. You just don't read about it in the papers.

[a700hitter]

The marketing and the revenue the Red Sox got from Japan made this deal definitely worth the $103 million' date=' whatever Daisuke's performances were. He was a decent back-of-the-rotation starter, and $10 million per year is not that far off market value for those types of pitchers. I'd like to see the Sox try out Doubront in that role for a couple games before making a decision on a deadline pitcher.[/quote']From Michael Silverman's article today in the Herald:

Now that the Matsuzaka Era is, for all intents and purposes, finished, what about that much-discussed bump in revenues the Red Sox were supposed to get from his arrival? Outside of a corporate sponsorship from Funai Electric and the club’s appearance in Japan in 2008, they can’t really point to a whole lot more.

 

“This was always a baseball decision, made by Theo (Epstein) and the scouts, with the ownership signing off on it, and the fact that we had Dice-K was great for our starting rotation,’’ said Sam Kennedy, executive vice president and chief operating officer. “There was not a ton of revenue we were able to generate because of him. The biggest benefit we get when we sign players is when they make the team better. We don’t sit around with Theo and say, ‘Sign this guy because we’ll have great marketing opportunities.’ ”

I hope the myth of Japanese revenue streams can finally be put to rest.

[Station 13]

From Michael Silverman's article today in the Herald:

I hope the myth of Japanese revenue streams can finally be put to rest.

 

And maybe you can stop beating a dead horse.

[a700hitter]

And maybe you can stop beating a dead horse.

It took me 4 years to kill that horse. For 4 years, people have been posting about Japanese revenue streams without a shred of evidence. Finally, as Dice K is on his way out the door, the press has finally asked the question and printed the truth. A few posts (supported with facts) in a couple of days is hardly beating a dead horse. Maybe you can stop telling me what I can post about.

[RedSoxFaithful]

I agree with everything except for the payroll part . His salary hasn't prevented them from doing anything they have wanted to do.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong. How do you know that they didn't have other moves they could have made if Dice-K's salary wasn't on the books. I'm not saying there is any moves or signings they could have made but who knows what could have been. Even though we aren't paying the salaries it still sucks seeing him make all that money and pitching like s***

[WhiskeyBreath]

I'm not saying you're wrong. How do you know that they didn't have other moves they could have made if Dice-K's salary wasn't on the books. I'm not saying there is any moves or signings they could have made but who knows what could have been. Even though we aren't paying the salaries it still sucks seeing him make all that money and pitching like s***

 

For the simple fact that they had plenty of money available to acquire anyone they wanted.

[SCM33]

Im tired about reading/watching about how Dice-K was ineffective because of throwing programs and training regimens.

 

So let me get this straight, last year it was the RedSox's fault that Dice-K showed up looking like his whole off-season consisted of Big Macs and sitting on the couch? Thats such a copout.

 

He cared so much about the RedSox, he blew out his arm in the world baseball classic last year....dialing it up in exhibition games when he was fat and out of shape which probably started a long chain reaction of health issues that put him where he is today.

 

Ever think that the reason Dice-K struggled throughout much of his tenure here.......was because he just wasn't that good? Sometimes its that simple.

 

Dice-K is just another example in a long list of failed japanese pitchers and how much of a waste of time and money they are.